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CDWright40 said:
How do you jump a tier when teams like Utah get stuffed between us and ND to prevent the head to head being considered?
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No clue. ESPN did say they felt ND is mostly at their ceiling though since they play 2 bad teams the end of the season (Syracuse and Stanford). They can probably only move up if other teams ahead of them lose at this point.
 
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Did it to ourselves. Should've taken care of our business plain and simple. Hopefully we get some help. I believe that we are a very good team, and match up well against anyone. If we don't **** down our own leg.
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
Nothing. Just that who u lose to matters.
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My issue is that they use whatever facts fit their narrative. Alabama has had maybe 3 of the 4 worst losses among CFP contenders the last two years.

Last year they ignored their terrible losses because of their supposed great wins. This year losses matter more than who you beat. There is no standard, no accountability, and definitely no integrity.

Utah being ahead of Miami is a joke. UCLA has been ok AFTER they played, they throttled ASU without Leavitt, beat Cincy who appears to be fraudulent. And they still rank lower on SOS, so do these bozos even pay attention to games?
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Wtf is a “tier”? Seriously? Is this some made up term by the committee? Is this an actual thing as it applies to seedings? Pardon my ignorance.
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They call these tiers "comparison pools". The committee is asked to compare a cluster of teams and provide relative rankings. It's actually a reasonable enough algorithm in general. One problem introduced by competitive sports is that H2H is the most important tiebreaker, but it only works when the comparison pool has a size of two. So the committee is working with this analytics-informed comparison tool that is highly sensitive to the choice of pool size. The rumor going around is that the pool size is four, which (conveniently for ND, for the moment) prevents direct comparison of ND and UM. If UM wins out, they will be in a pool with ND, and thus be highly likely to be ranked above the Irish on Selection Sunday.
 
TheATLCane said:
That logic is severely flawed because one of ND's losses is to Miami. It works if ND didn't lose to Miami.

Comparing losses is one input. How about comparing wins?
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Only when it suits their narrative i.e. Texas’s win over OU who beat UMich; USC’s H2H win over UMich; UGA over Ole Miss; etc.

Why is Texas above Tennessee despite a bad loss? Because Texas beat OU who beat UTenn.

North Texas has a better conference loss than Tulane (who has two losses in total) but they ignored Tulane’s worse loss because they beat Northwestern and Duke.
 
Win out and make them make that decision between ND and Miami.

The playoff doesn’t consist of decently competitive unranked teams. To state the obvious, it consists of having to win against top ranked teams and ND won’t have a single one of those type of wins on their resume.

Miami passes the eye test. The pundits, social media accounts, the in-game commentators, announcers, and the committee itself have all said as much. The talent pops off the screen.

Miami may play down at times to its opponents but it is arguably a talented enough squad to compete with the best programs this season.

We’re not the type of team to get blown out by anyone this season.

That’s how good this defense is.

If the at large bids are about putting the best teams in, then we will have a strong case if we finish 10-2.
 
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KCane said:
What garbage. “Miami’s 2 loses worse than ND’s 2 loses”, so much for winning games. “ND and Miami are not in the same tier so the head to head doesn’t matter”.
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We've lost to ourselves at least once this season so one of our losses is just as good as NDs
 
I'm guessing those tiers are:

1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16, etc...

We need to end up in the same grouping as ND for head-to-head to take effect.

BTW...9 SEC schools in top 25. Didn't we beat an SEC school out of conference?
 
KCane said:
What garbage. “Miami’s 2 loses worse than ND’s 2 loses”, so much for winning games. “ND and Miami are not in the same tier so the head to head doesn’t matter”.
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Sounds like 13-16 is a different tier. Once Miamis gets to 12 then the have to compare Miami and Nd with h2h. Rn our loses are holding us out that tier is what I’ve read. Idk what happens once we can get compared to them but it should be Miao over them since H2H can then be used. Also if we dominate last 2 away games I think tha will help since Miami didn’t look great on the road so far
 
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