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You don't have to be an NFL scout to know the only Underclassman on our team that has a chance to be drafted is Artie Burns.
Corn Elder has done well, but not well enough yet, and he's small. Grace Is on the right track, and is fast as ****, but needs to get stronger at the point of attack. Stacy Coley clearly isn't strong enough to even stay on the field. I think Coley has the skill to be a solid NFL wr (maybe a pro Bowl or two) but if he declared for the draft, he'd be lucky to go in the 7th round. AQM hasn't done **** to even consider leaving. At least Corn Elder has made some plays. AQM, other than being big and fast, hasn't done anything. He needs to produce, or he wont get drafted, plain and simple.

With the right coaching, all these guys, could have left early, and our graduating seniors entering the draft like Deon Bush and Tracy Howard would go much higher.
 
Dirty Sprite said:
I know that nfl scouts are generally worse than the ppl on this board when it comes to evaluating talent
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Agree for the most part, but this "scout" is spot on with his point about Tracy not getting off blocks. Dude got engulfed on almost every bubble screen thrown to his side. The size/speed deficiencies that were mentioned will prevent him from covering on the perimeter, but then how do you play him in the slot when slot corners have major run responsibilities against 11 personnel offenses like Green Bay? If Tracy wants a shot he will have to make a team on special teams and play with a lot more physicality and competitiveness.
 
blackvern said:
Weird how a lot of people always run into or over hear NFL scouts on this board
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I share your skepticism. This may be legitimate. Often it is not. And the trend is hardly restricted to sports forums. I've seen it on true crime sites and political sites and elsewhere. The person wants to give his own opinion a boost of legitimacy so he paints and shines it via sourcing from an anonymous authority. The vehicle seldom varies. It's always a friend who he happened to run into and suddenly this guy shares virtually every specialized knowledge and opinion, word for word. Quite remarkable.

When it is legitimate normally there are more direct quotes instead of summaries, and more of the quotes will include angles and ideas that are atypical, since an outsider won't be seeing everything from the same perspective that we do. Wow type of stuff. Didn't think of that. Plus the specialist generally won't be familiar with everybody and everything, since his duties include dozens of other schools, etc. He will be confident enough to concede he's not an authority on everybody.

This is a low post OP. I apologize if it's legit. I have no opinion either way. But I've caught several posters attempting this elsewhere. Handicapper's instincts. One guy ran away and never posted again.
 
Yes, some of the NFL teams are terrible at evaluating players. Like terrible where you have to ask how they got the job.
 
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@KingLew88 said:
Cribby said:
@KingLew88 said:
I bet Tracy eats in the league
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Eats? As in the Arena League?
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everyone is a jokester. just because we misused him doesnt mean anything.
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I'm not being funny, I said he was overrated in HS. He had great technique, it was obvious he was ahead of most kids at that age. His physical issues is the problem. He's not a good athlete, he's slow by nfl standards.

As for " being misused". I've seen him in press man a bunch of times, and he got obliterated. Just because it wasn't an every down defense doesn't mean we didn't run it .

I never saw the hype with this kid . I hope i'm wrong ,but I haven't been yet
 
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I was talking to my wife about Tracy (she happens to be an NFL scout) and she says it will be hard for Tracy to make it in the NFL. Don't kill the messenger.
 
daddacane said:
I'm pretty much in agreement with the evaluations...Think Burns is the only one who would get drafted, with Elder 5+ round and Coley a maybe 6/7th round...Coley just hasn't had that three/four game streak where he's really consistent and dominating the D Backfield..
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Coley from the fsu game through the rest of the season led the acc in recieving yards.
 
I'm no scout but I could have told you everything your NFL scout friend did. What of that is news to anyone in the OP? I guess I'm in the wrong line of work.
 
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AtlantaCANE4life said:
I have not seen this guy in 2 years. He was a scout for the Falcons but left for another team 2 years ago. He is visiting family in Atl and was at a xmas party and I got a chance to pick his brain. This was his opinion on a few of the Jr's looking to go to the draft. Again its his opinion.. does not mean much..

AQM- He said to me "If I go pull tape and only had one season to look at, and this guys name is not Clowney I don't even hit play". (thought that was funny) He said at best this guy would be someone's "gamble" so you do that in the 6th and 7th Round. And truthfully you could gamble with him as an undrafted player. You don't need to pick him. He said if he leaves he is getting bad advise.

Coley: He said Coley is the type of player you like on paper because of the speed and size. But knowing what he knows he is afraid Coley would have a tough time making it through camp. He said camp is tough, you have veteran WR's who are going all out, and DB's who are better than anything he has seen. Felt right now Coley would get lost in that completion.. But he did say he is very tempting because of his speed. He thought someone could really work with him and make him into a good player. But WR is tough. Overall just thought one more year under a good coach could do this guy wonders.

Elder: He Loves Elder but again did not think he would be someone that should go yet. Not sure what he meant by this. He said "Elder is a guy with great speed that does not look fast when he plays".. He said he is another one that should not be thinking of leaving.

Burns: He thought burns looked like a pro right now. Size and body type are perfect. Speed is great. He said that once a DB coach teaches him NFL technique he will be very good. Needs to learn how to fight off the line with a bigger WR but everything else is there. 2nd round pick...Maybe 3rd because of the WR depth in the draft.

BTW Lastly I asked what he thought about Howard. I will spare you some of it because he is a Cane and I'm not going to be rude. BUT did not have good things to say. Small, slow and said is one of the worst on getting off blocks. Said because he is a cane might be a 6th rounder at best.

Anyway take it for what its worth... its just one guys assessment.
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No you didnt talk to anyone. I am a Talent Scout, and any Talent Scout will tell you immediately that before video tape, before watching practice, before talking to coaches...a Talent Scout has to get these guys alone in a room and put a measuring tape and a ruler on him, really see what kind of size we are dealing with. All this gibberish about getting off of blockers and game speed is irrelevant if you have not had a good 1 on 1 measuring session with you and the athlete. You need to know that body like you know where the toilet is in the dark at your house. Every turn, every nook, every curve...all must be measured and noted, and then drawn with water colors later and re-visited in the minds eye.
 
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CanesTalent Scout said:
AtlantaCANE4life said:
I have not seen this guy in 2 years. He was a scout for the Falcons but left for another team 2 years ago. He is visiting family in Atl and was at a xmas party and I got a chance to pick his brain. This was his opinion on a few of the Jr's looking to go to the draft. Again its his opinion.. does not mean much..

AQM- He said to me "If I go pull tape and only had one season to look at, and this guys name is not Clowney I don't even hit play". (thought that was funny) He said at best this guy would be someone's "gamble" so you do that in the 6th and 7th Round. And truthfully you could gamble with him as an undrafted player. You don't need to pick him. He said if he leaves he is getting bad advise.

Coley: He said Coley is the type of player you like on paper because of the speed and size. But knowing what he knows he is afraid Coley would have a tough time making it through camp. He said camp is tough, you have veteran WR's who are going all out, and DB's who are better than anything he has seen. Felt right now Coley would get lost in that completion.. But he did say he is very tempting because of his speed. He thought someone could really work with him and make him into a good player. But WR is tough. Overall just thought one more year under a good coach could do this guy wonders.

Elder: He Loves Elder but again did not think he would be someone that should go yet. Not sure what he meant by this. He said "Elder is a guy with great speed that does not look fast when he plays".. He said he is another one that should not be thinking of leaving.

Burns: He thought burns looked like a pro right now. Size and body type are perfect. Speed is great. He said that once a DB coach teaches him NFL technique he will be very good. Needs to learn how to fight off the line with a bigger WR but everything else is there. 2nd round pick...Maybe 3rd because of the WR depth in the draft.

BTW Lastly I asked what he thought about Howard. I will spare you some of it because he is a Cane and I'm not going to be rude. BUT did not have good things to say. Small, slow and said is one of the worst on getting off blocks. Said because he is a cane might be a 6th rounder at best.

Anyway take it for what its worth... its just one guys assessment.
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No you didnt talk to anyone. I am a Talent Scout, and any Talent Scout will tell you immediately that before video tape, before watching practice, before talking to coaches...a Talent Scout has to get these guys alone in a room and put a measuring tape and a ruler on him, really see what kind of size we are dealing with. All this gibberish about getting off of blockers and game speed is irrelevant if you have not had a good 1 on 1 measuring session with you and the athlete. You need to know that body like you know where the toilet is in the dark at your house. Every turn, every nook, every curve...all must be measured and noted, and then drawn with water colors later and re-visited in the minds eye.
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If you repeat it, I'll believe it.
 
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