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Juancane said:
Stay in liberty city and let other people handle recruiting. The idea of say no to commits is borderline stupid
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You can say his idea is stupid and argue your point or point of view but when you start a comment with "stay in liberty city" you instantly lose credibility.

Btw your a ***1n idiot and should stay quiet before more ppl figure out how stupid/ignorant you are. Just some constructive criticism.
 
I’ve been in the bags and using Miami for offers boat for a long time. But one thing is clear: we’ve had kids generally interested and we sht the bed big time. So while I’m not saying that a dude like Stevenson would’ve commited, we at least didn’t give him or some other kids a reason to or stick. If we handle business we have a chance to not only keep kids committed but we may even be in a position to push kids out. This is sofla and there are too many handlers and bagmen down here to say we keep every kid that commits. But we haven’t been in a position of power or leverage to either say no to a kid or keep a kid.
If a kid is good enough to commit then we should be good enough to make him want to stick. And if we ball out we will be in a position to push out jags and flip kids from elite programs. We will also be in a position to tell a kid to hold up and not commit and have them not be upset about it. We tell some kid not oncomit and he goes home and his family and coach are gonna be ****ed and say how some team that lost to fiu just told my son to wait??!
How many kids would commit on the spot to the front runners but don’t because they can’t. Unfortunately we aren’t in that position.
 
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We have verbally offered about 40 players in Sofla thus far this year...No idea how many are committable. But I know all of them aren't.

No idea what the correct course of action here
 
skeeter said:
We have verbally offered about 40 players in Sofla thus far this year...No idea how many are committable. But I know all of them aren't.

No idea what the correct course of action here
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The correct coarse of action at this moment is handle business in the most punishing and humiliating way to any team on our schedule. I see no reason with the team we have now for that sht not to be possible. Manny literally is gonna have his leadership skills tested for everyone to see.
 
pacusmc said:
The correct coarse of action at this moment is handle business in the most punishing and humiliating way to any team on our schedule. I see no reason with the team we have now for that sht not to be possible. Manny literally is gonna have his leadership skills tested for everyone to see.
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I agree it sounds nice, and agree we can/should do it to most of them...But the offensive line is still one reason we can't do it to all of them

And while King is a very good college athlete and upgrade, I believe there is still some risk there.
 
Gotta switch it up. Only idiots keep repeating the same **** and getting the same terrible results. No more January commits at camps.

Keep showing them love and recruiting them, but don’t be so desperate for these early commits that always flip and make us look like a joke.
 
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pacusmc said:
The correct coarse of action at this moment is handle business in the most punishing and humiliating way to any team on our schedule. I see no reason with the team we have now for that sht not to be possible. Manny literally is gonna have his leadership skills tested for everyone to see.
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Manny has to be ruthless this year. Our talent and the schedule lends itself to it. Hopefully we have a repeat of the 2017 season with some added offense.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
No, you don't just say no. That is just bull**** posturing. I understand the decommits and the basic stupidity of this, but you can't say no to the elite kids now.

So many of these recruits take about the "early love" and that may be bull**** in the end, but they will absolutely remember the school that wouldn't even take their commitment, and other schools will use that to negatively recruit.

It is a stupid game, but you have to play the game. Even when it is often a waste of time. Some schools can really be picky and put the onus on the recruit (see Clemson right now, and Alabama over the last few years). Miami is in a position where we have to prove it to recruits, not the other way around.
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Sure you can.

Just like women - show a mild interest and then walk off. They'll be looking for you later.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Sure you can.

Just like women - show a mild interest and then walk off. They'll be looking for you later.
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Yep, they chase dudes who offer a 6-7 record and finished third in a division of a weak conference. That makes you, what, a 4 or 5, maybe a 3? No matter what that screams alpha male, right? You are the slightly doughy balding guy in the recruiting bar, the one living in your parents' basement. I bet you slay that ****.

STRONG argument on your end.
 
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Liberty City El said:
You just say no.

Any kid that commits to Miami early is on decommit watch the second they make the announcement.

For this class in particular I think we should go late on everybody, because over the past 4 years all we've done is get early commits then have to hang on for dear life, then once the season rolls around & we start losing to teams we have no business we end up losing a bunch of prospects & remain the laughing stock on the recruiting trail.

We should win games first & show on the field that we're not a joke & that we can actually win. It gives us a stronger product to sell, at this point it's just all hype hopes & dreams, we should let the kids do what they do, not accept any early commits, win as many games as possible then when crootin' season comes around give them something to really think about IF we're actually having a good season.

It honestly doesn't matter when you recruit players, if you're winning & showing on the field what you are you can show up as late as you want & they'll hop on the bandwagon.

Taking early commits only puts pressure on the player to wanna decommit after they start taking visits elsewhere, so let them visit everywhere else as much as possible, don't bring them on campus all the time, just fall back & focus on winning. If we win trust me, they'll all come running to wanna join us.
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Agree with what your saying but if we say no to a kid with SEC "offers" the first thing he will say is "coach tried me bruh". We're in a tough spot until we actually win games.
 
Kid verbals early, just means they like us and could see themselves here. It isn't some conspiracy to get better offers, they're excited and hopeful. Season rolls around, we look like dog**** and there's other suitors out there who are playing well. Winning will cure lots of this.

You want to kill your recruitment early, you deny their verbal after you've just offered. These young men can smell bull**** a mile away and your words won't mean **** to them if you say you've got a place here and say not yet when they want on board. That's dumb as ****.
 
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Korey Foreman is the number one recruit for 2021. He just committed to Clemson after their junior day. According to several in this thread Clemson should not have taken that commit.

Right.

Also, I think that gives them something like 3 or 4 number one overall recruits in a row. Apparently it can work to take such commitments. You just have to also be good enough to keep them. That is the distinction several seem to not understand.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
Korey Foreman is the number one recruit for 2021. He just committed to Clemson after their junior day. According to several in this thread Clemson should not have taken that commit.

Right.

Also, I think that gives them something like 3 or 4 number one overall recruits in a row. Apparently it can work to take such commitments. You just have to also be good enough to keep them. That is the distinction several seem to not understand.
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Miami has players committing 2+ years before NSD, then decommitting 2-4 months before NSD. No other school in the nation has that problem at the same rate as Miami. Not a reasonable comparison.
 
grover said:
Agree to the sentiment. But I’d pull that forward to April now that early signing is so big a deal. Also I stick by the truism that a local kid who doesn’t commit by September is 9 out of 10 times not coming. The perfect commit period for me is between May and August. Jan is way too early though.

How do you say no if a top talent says he wants in at this point?
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Early commits just don't mean anything. The first day anyone can really commit is ESD anyway when you get the LOI. If the school doesn't send the LOI, then everything up to that date is meaningless as far as a commitment goes.
 
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