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Josh Pate Mail Bag 10/25

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JgDaCane said:
I’ll support him when he puts our players in the right spots. Losses don’t bother me as much as stupidity.
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Bingo. Exactly how I feel. If we lose games that’s fine as long as I know we’re being run competently and putting our players in best chance for success. I naively thought Mario would do that but I was dead wrong on that one.
 
Gi0logy said:
Na. **** that. MTSU and Duke was bull.

Stop complaining and start winning some games.
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Honestly, all 4 losses were bull... The A&M loss, while frustrating, was acceptable at first because of how close it was. But after losing to MTSU, UNC, and Duke, that loss is nearly just as bad when you consider they weren't jitters or just growing pains but serious coaching and execution issues.
 
Genghis Cane said:
I know this is a joke, but I genuinely think there are some people on this board who enjoy watching us lose. They would rather be right about their predictions instead of seeing the program find success.
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Even some of the alleged insiders….particularly about their precious recruits they can’t admit suck and belong at G5 programs…(in before some mope says Miami is a G5 program)

Misery is always the loudest on this board. Sometimes it’s valid, sometimes it’s not.

What Mario does in the off-season will tell us all what kind of program builder he really is. Until then, the same porsters who porst the same comments week after week to crave attention will continue to do so.
 
Mario had said that the media was the only one making a fuss about losing recruits when nothing has actually happened (Miami media helping us out, as usual). The media takes that and turns it into Mario blaming the media for losses. "Fans" take their info from a tweet instead of watching the press con.
 
panthercane said:
Mario had said that the media was the only one making a fuss about losing recruits when nothing has actually happened (Miami media helping us out, as usual). The media takes that and turns it into Mario blaming the media for losses. "Fans" take their info from a tweet instead of watching the press con.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^ The whole story got twisted and blown into something it wasn't. It was an offhand comment with regard to recruitingl
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
THIS^^^^^^^^^^ The whole story got twisted and blown into something it wasn't. It was an offhand comment with regard to recruitingl
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Mario spoke facts , i know the truth is frowned upon these days but the media is the only one obsessing over losing recruits, or bringing it up. Not one kid has decommitted. He didn’t attack the media he just said the truth.
 
Cribby said:
Do you think 8-9 wins was too high of a standard? I mean Vegas had us around that total. The media had Miami as a huge favorite to win the coastal , we easily have the second most talent in the conference . On top of that the schedule was pathetic , It’s Clemson and the rest is average to below average.

The culture is bad but was it so bad that it won 5 out of six last year and was a late meltdown from 6 out of 7?

imo the truth like always is in the middle. We have a culture problem and quitters. There’s also too much talent to be losing to horrible rosters and the coaching has been atrocious. If people want to deny that they’re living in a cult or have cognitive dissonance.

This staff is one of the highest paid in the country and this has been one of the worst ROI I’ve ever seen.
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You have a perfect storm, IMO.

I think these coaches were not prepared for what they walked into. I think they walked in thinking what we all thought, that the team was close to being good and they would be able to install what they wanted. The reality is a lot of guys on this roster don't have the talent and confidence required. But that should have been snuffed out during the summer and the coaches, mainly Gattis, should have adjusted. Once MTSU and UNC came around it was too late and they had lost the team. Injuries also haven't helped.

I look back at that Texas A&M game: Gattis' inability to get the offense into the endzone, Mario's inability to make critical decision and kicking field goals, and the players making crucial mistakes...that's the season in a nutshell.

Ultimately it comes down to the staff though. This offseason is where they'll truly earn their money. It is not going to be easy for Mario. He has to dominate the portal and he needs to put his stubbornness aside and bring in an OC that fits modern day football.
 
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Cribby said:
Do you think 8-9 wins was too high of a standard? I mean Vegas had us around that total. The media had Miami as a huge favorite to win the coastal , we easily have the second most talent in the conference . On top of that the schedule was pathetic , It’s Clemson and the rest is average to below average.

The culture is bad but was it so bad that it won 5 out of six last year and was a late meltdown from 6 out of 7?

imo the truth like always is in the middle. We have a culture problem and quitters. There’s also too much talent to be losing to horrible rosters and the coaching has been atrocious. If people want to deny that they’re living in a cult or have cognitive dissonance.

This staff is one of the highest paid in the country and this has been one of the worst ROI I’ve ever seen.
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A part of the problem is in an attempt to **** all over a coach they hated, many posters used things like “with a competent coach” this team wins 10 games…

So now after spending $14M on “competent coaches” we are hearing … complete rebuild, etc - while watching just horrible play and coaching…

AND during the hiring “process” there were heavy pushes for Mario and criticism for everyone that questioned anything - timing, loss of coaches, hiring of coaches, portal misses, etc (Gattis and Addae were specifically touted as massive wins, Raymond miss dismissed)

SO NOW as the concerns re: Mario - which were - he’s not a great game day coach, offensive philosophy, QB, passing game - have been actively in play since game 2, posters are coming back around to question what the **** is happening and why…

Bottom line: we finished 5-1, had a positive and exciting offseason, and then poor coaching destroyed the season within 4 weeks and it is getting worse.

People aren’t running to the board *****ing for no reason - there is probably just as much or more excuse making or culture threads which prompt a negative reaction.

Duke with their own first year coach dominated us and did a conga line in the locker room - after we crushed them last year without a “competent coaching staff”… excuse time is over.

Just win!
 
Let’s hope he makes the necessary changes in the offseason, mainly on the offensive side of the ball.

Did the offense give up 5000 points to MTSU?

Did the offense give up a 9-minute game-killing drive after taking the lead?

Did the offense get run over repeatedly by the Duke QB when everyone on the planet knew that was the only play in their playbook?

I agree that the offense isn't what we want it to be but let's not lose sight of the whole picture.


GO CANES!!!!
 
hurricaneman said:
You have a perfect storm, IMO.

I think these coaches were not prepared for what they walked into. I think they walked in thinking what we all thought, that the team was close to being good and they would be able to install what they wanted. The reality is a lot of guys on this roster don't have the talent and confidence required. But that should have been snuffed out during the summer and the coaches, mainly Gattis, should have adjusted. Once MTSU and UNC came around it was too late and they had lost the team. Injuries also haven't helped.

I look back at that Texas A&M game: Gattis' inability to get the offense into the endzone, Mario's inability to make critical decision and kicking field goals, and the players making crucial mistakes...that's the season in a nutshell.

Ultimately it comes down to the staff though. This offseason is where they'll truly earn their money. It is not going to be easy for Mario. He has to dominate the portal and he needs to put his stubbornness aside and bring in an OC that fits modern day football.
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Best post I’ve seen on this board in a minute.
 
hurricaneman said:
You have a perfect storm, IMO.

I think these coaches were not prepared for what they walked into. I think they walked in thinking what we all thought, that the team was close to being good and they would be able to install what they wanted. The reality is a lot of guys on this roster don't have the talent and confidence required. But that should have been snuffed out during the summer and the coaches, mainly Gattis, should have adjusted. Once MTSU and UNC came around it was too late and they had lost the team. Injuries also haven't helped.

I look back at that Texas A&M game: Gattis' inability to get the offense into the endzone, Mario's inability to make critical decision and kicking field goals, and the players making crucial mistakes...that's the season in a nutshell.

Ultimately it comes down to the staff though. This offseason is where they'll truly earn their money. It is not going to be easy for Mario. He has to dominate the portal and he needs to put his stubbornness aside and bring in an OC that fits modern day football.
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I have my reasons for why this turned into such a huge mess. There’s multiple reasons that goes all the back to the hiring of the assistants. I believe if you asked Mario he’d likely tell you some of issues are self inflicted. This **** show jambalaya has all kinds of ingredients in it and there’s too many to count.

So to your point “perfect storm “ I agree. Even if theres some differences in our ingredients.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
I'm a big fan of Josh Pate because of his well thought out takes. I particularly liked what he said about this team being terrible and this team being a lost cause not the program. I think that its very important to differentiate between the two. This program may have a very bright future but this particular team is way past the point of being salvaged no matter who the staff consists of.

I also liked the point he made about the possibility that a very significant number of current players will be asked to move on in addition to a few assistant coaches. I think most of us agree that this needs to happen.

Now whether or not this program gets turned around is completely up to Mario Cristobal and the decisions that he chooses to make. He has a lot of good people around him so let's hope that they make the right moves.

Edit: Almost forgot. There was absolutely nothing controversial about what Mario said about the media. That is obvious when you listen to the entire answer that he gave and have the proper context in which it was said. Why then did we see all these people talking about what Cristobal said as if it was some huge controversy? This one is easy but it may not be what most are expecting to hear. The reason is that most people lack the requisite intelligence necessary to comprehend what was being said in it's full context. In other words, it's because most people are dumb as ***** and it isn't getting any better. I honestly think people are becoming more dumbed down than I had ever thought possible. The ability to think for oneself is becoming more and more uncommon. Just go out and observe. People literally have difficulty finding their way out of a restaurant. It's sad. Really sad.
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Many here have selective hearing. Only hearing what fits their agenda.
 
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Genghis Cane said:
I know this is a joke, but I genuinely think there are some people on this board who enjoy watching us lose. They would rather be right about their predictions instead of seeing the program find success.
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none of these clowns even make predictions, they just come back after the fact and yell SEE I TOLD YOU
 
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