Josh Pate is a member of CIS?

[skyman]

Forget about last year. In 2023, we averaged 5.0 yards per carry and now we are down to 3.9. And Beck and Fletcher are better than what we had then.

I’ve been talking to a lot of CFB/NFL people outside of UM and will be posting a long post with some external perspectives on the issues with this offense.

I think run game issues is more you have a HUGE bust at center and #9 isnt even green tree all american, he is first ballot greentree HOF, small, cant block, cant execute mesh and settle in zone, dros balls in clutch situation and #87 is another bust. Teams overload are runs also and we stubbornly still try to run even when playing 100 ranked passing team. We think we can just run over 9, 10, 11 man boxes.. Oline can only do soo much and we do nothing to relieve heat, those wr screen plays are terrible at this point

Have heard you mention on podcast about the olineman being limited in movement and thought that was known as Mario wants jumbo sized oline to just road grade forward.. Thats whole point of being duo based run game..

Its commonly known that usually outside zone type teams like their olineman smaller and nimble to be able to execute those types of runs, pros and cons to everything. So you get huge guys but you wont be asking them to move much, I still dont think we have run one RB slip screen since they been here, lol..

 

[LuCane]

As for the differences between any prior success and this year, here's a short version of my take:

The problem with looking at prior years to analyze current success or project future success (wildly shaky) is that the variables greatly change. Personnel (our center is struggling, our TEs are overused and can't effectively block, as just two small examples), opponents, tendencies become more or less obvious. When you add in this year's theme of "calling games for control and complementary football," you're likely to end up with a false equivalence. Perhaps a couple analogies can be made to when TVD mentally broke, but even then we have a better roster and different opponents.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

I watched this segment last night and he did his usual shtick of praising the winner, but you could also see his visible frustration with Mario and the inability to get it done. I remember being really angry after that FSU game because, even though we won, it felt like a lot of bad stuff infiltrated this team in the second half of that game and has stuck with us.

IMO, the best and most poignant thing he brought up all night though is how instead of opening things up on offense, putting pressure on their D, extending leads, it’s like we constantly do the OPPOSITE by putting the lid on the bottle, condensing the game, which consistently leaves us in these tight games that go down to the wire. Our offensive philosophy is counter-productive to what it should be with the bevy of talent we have. The problem with playing in all these tight games is your margin of error is so slim and it gives the other team hope and belief. Instead of applying pressure this team, under Mario, coaches/plays scared and they’re perfectly content with this approach.

Exactly what Saban said in his GameDay comments.....

 

[Hoyacane1620]

What Trumpycane finds amazing is Mario saw what an open offense can do last year

Whether it was Cam going rogue or not, doesn’t matter because look at the results

Even our short yard situations were so much better because the other team had to account for the pass with Cam

Look, Beck isn’t anywhere near Cam but look at the SMU game, he was playing well and in rhythm and instead of spreading it out with at least the threat of throwing we do this nonsense condensed crap

which is leading to Beck's frustration...

 

[caneworld]

Having the courage to tell it like it is... I wish I could stick this in Mario's face and make him inhale every word of it...

 

[stormsurge13]

There has to be a middle ground somewhere on offense between Cam having absolute total control last year to having your QB on training wheels in 2023/2025

 

[TrumpyCane]

4th and 1 should have been a PA pass and someone is still running.

We ran a play action at the goal line on one of the touchdown drives and if Trumpycane remembers correct that we had two wide open guys for an easy score

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Real men, real leaders, and real winners self evaluate daily. They welcome criticism and embrace growth. Mario is none of those things

"the blueprint works"

 

[htownkidd]

I’m sure some will disagree, but TVD also had 3x the arm talent as Beck. He just caught the ******* yips and became unplayable but he wasn’t throwing punts down the field or having his arm die on in breaking routes.

 

[stormsurge13]

I’m sure some will disagree, but TVD also had 3x the arm talent as Beck. He just caught the ******* yips and became unplayable but he wasn’t throwing punts down the field or having his arm die on in breaking routes.

He also had a pretty nasty leg injury that season.

Beck’s arm looks like a pea shooter

 

[caneworld]

I’m sure some will disagree, but TVD also had 3x the arm talent as Beck. He just caught the ******* yips and became unplayable but he wasn’t throwing punts down the field or having his arm die on in breaking routes.

TVD was mentally shot... he ended up like some PTSD ridden Vietnam vet recluse in the woods of Oregon...

 

[LuCane]

I think run game issues is more you have a HUGE bust at center and #9 isnt even green tree all american, he is first ballot greentree HOF, small, cant block, cant execute mesh and settle in zone, dros balls in clutch situation and #87 is another bust. Teams overload are runs also and we stubbornly still try to run even when playing 100 ranked passing team. We think we can just run over 9, 10, 11 man boxes.. Oline can only do soo much and we do nothing to relieve heat, those wr screen plays are terrible at this point

Have heard you mention on podcast about the olineman being limited in movement and thought that was known as Mario wants jumbo sized oline to just road grade forward.. Thats whole point of being duo based run game..

Its commonly known that usually outside zone type teams like their olineman smaller and nimble to be able to execute those types of runs, pros and cons to everything. So you get huge guys but you wont be asking them to move much, I still dont think we have run one RB slip screen since they been here, lol..

Here's Alex Mirabal's direct quote (which he has said in many different places):

“To me, you never sacrifice athleticism. You can’t. No matter how big or strong a guy is, if he’s not athletic, he can’t get himself into a good position and he can’t get himself out of a bad position or a bad situation. So that’s one of the things that we don’t sacrifice. And then, also, you try with length. When I say length, I’m not talking about necessarily height, I’m talking about more long arms. That’s something that we try to look for."

Our current OL (Cici, Mccoy, Okunlola, Brock) are sufficiently athletic to run variations off of DUO and even run IZ (which overlaps a lot with DUO and involves the TE differently). Even Bell and Cooper are seen pulling on many calls. Sure, we might not be a OZ run-based team, but this obsession that we're big and therefore are necessarily limited to this overwhelming tendency is contradicted by Mirabal's own consistent words and even some our current calls. Go ahead and look around college football and tell me if those lines that run different plays are that much more athletic.

Bad narrative.

 

[EudocimusAlbus]

4th and 1 should have been a PA pass and someone is still running.

yea mean like the 4th and 2 Malachi took to the house at FSU? - **** is mind boggling

 

[skyman]

Here's Alex Mirabal's direct quote (which he has said in many different places):

“To me, you never sacrifice athleticism. You can’t. No matter how big or strong a guy is, if he’s not athletic, he can’t get himself into a good position and he can’t get himself out of a bad position or a bad situation. So that’s one of the things that we don’t sacrifice. And then, also, you try with length. When I say length, I’m not talking about necessarily height, I’m talking about more long arms. That’s something that we try to look for."

Our current OL (Cici, Mccoy, Okunlola, Brock) are sufficiently athletic to run variations off of DUO and even run IZ (which overlaps a lot with DUO and involves the TE differently). Even Bell and Cooper are seen pulling on many calls. Sure, we might not be a OZ run-based team, but this obsession that we're big and therefore are necessarily limited to this overwhelming tendency is contradicted by Mirabal's own consistent words and even some our current calls. Go ahead and look around college football and tell me if those lines that run different plays are that much more athletic.

Bad narrative.

That type of stuff sounds good but how many actual HUGE guys with athleticism can you find? I get what he is saying and Im a maribal guy as he was coach and strength guy when I was in school, Back then he LOOOVED to run power, guess he evolved to duo guy. But probably Maugoia is only guy who fits that, most of the other guys arent really good on movement. They will pull them but several times they dont even make it to blocks or cant get hands on moving targets.

I guess the idea is invest in one or two high level cant miss and fill in with projects, which is cool but guys like SJ and tripp look like DOA soon as they get off the plane.. There is a reason, even in NFL you have these outside zone teams want their oline smaller. And they are only picking from best of. Its all relative, if you go bigger you are giving up some athleticism but Im sure they still want them to have bend and some type of talent.

Either way its a preference and there are pros and cons, which is cool. I dont think thats the issue, if we ddnt try to run into loaded boxes and think our oline is soo good they can block into a bear front daring us to pass ball and make them pay.

 

[LuCane]

That type of stuff sounds good but how many actual HUGE guys with athleticism can you find? I get what he is saying and Im a maribal guy as he was coach and strength guy when I was in school, Back then he LOOOVED to run power, guess he evolved to duo guy. But probably Maugoia is only guy who fits that, most of the other guys arent really good on movement. They will pull them but several times they dont even make it to blocks or cant get hands on moving targets.

I guess the idea is invest in one or two high level cant miss and fill in with projects, which is cool but guys like SJ and tripp look like DOA soon as they get off the plane.. There is a reason, even in NFL you have these outside zone teams want their oline smaller. And they are only picking from best of. Its all relative, if you go bigger you are giving up some athleticism but Im sure they still want them to have bend and some type of talent.

Either way its a preference and there are pros and cons, which is cool. I dont think thats the issue, if we ddnt try to run into loaded boxes and think our oline is soo good they can block into a bear front daring us to pass ball and make them pay.

Sufficiently athletic to do way more variation than what we do. ****, they do variation in spurts and we can all watch some of the the giant guys move around. Again, the nuance is that means maybe we can't be an OZ-based team, but we can do enough to not fall into an overwhelming "plod forward" against bad numbers tendency.

 

[fatnasty187]

Here's the kicker. Doesn't matter what people think it say. Miami misses the playoffs and conference championship game it's an all time miss. The inept coaching will be what is written.

Mario ain't it. He's showed us exactly who and what he can do. No use in trying to paint any other pictures. Fighting with Dawson confirmed how bad things are. Another loss will get things going in the unhinged portion of the season.

 

[htownkidd]

More accurate criticism, this take with a bit more of a gloves off approach. WE ARE A TERRIBLY COACHED FOOTBALL TEAM.

 

[cway313]

Forget about last year. In 2023, we averaged 5.0 yards per carry and now we are down to 3.9. And Beck and Fletcher are better than what we had then.

I’ve been talking to a lot of CFB/NFL people outside of UM and will be posting a long post with some external perspectives on the issues with this offense.

What about the issues with this head coach?

 

[Empirical Cane]

I'll personally never understand the lack of awareness from people who get paid millions to do their job. It would keep me up every night.

The funny thing about sounding the alarm is engaging in debates with people who want to deny the reality of the pattern.

Rinse. Repeat.

Now extrapolate same lack of awareness to CIS porsters...

Koo Koo for Cocoa Puffs.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

Pate his a homerun when he mentions variance.

Condensing a game is what you want to do when you are an underdog. It allows less opportunities for talent to come through and increases variance.

The opposite is true. If you are the better team, you want more plays. It allows talent to shine through and lowers variance.

Simple concept backed by math. Mario doesnt understand this point and that has been clear for years.

Mind boggling offensive identity.