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The national media is tired of being made to look like fools whenever they get on the Canes bandwagon.

Almost every pundit in the country was saying this was one of, if not the best, college football team in America just three weeks ago. Every talking head was saying "congrats for making the playoffs" after the UF game. Some were even saying it after the ND game.

And as always, Miami finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory while making their fans and supporters look like fools for believing in them. I don't blame any national pundit from ripping this team and theis coaching staff. It's well deserved.
 
I watched this segment last night and he did his usual shtick of praising the winner, but you could also see his visible frustration with Mario and the inability to get it done. I remember being really angry after that FSU game because, even though we won, it felt like a lot of bad stuff infiltrated this team in the second half of that game and has stuck with us.

IMO, the best and most poignant thing he brought up all night though is how instead of opening things up on offense, putting pressure on their D, extending leads, it’s like we constantly do the OPPOSITE by putting the lid on the bottle, condensing the game, which consistently leaves us in these tight games that go down to the wire. Our offensive philosophy is counter-productive to what it should be with the bevy of talent we have. The problem with playing in all these tight games is your margin of error is so slim and it gives the other team hope and belief. Instead of applying pressure this team, under Mario, coaches/plays scared and they’re perfectly content with this approach.
 
Ispyin said:
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video
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Listened this morning. I get it he said unprepared but he deserved a much larger scathing of UMs performance. Don’t believe me? Did you hear Pate on Brian Kelly who obviously doesn’t give him access? Eviscerated him.
 
DoctorKrazey said:
I watched this segment last night and he did his usual shtick of praising the winner, but you could also see his visible frustration with Mario and the inability to get it done. I remember being really angry after that FSU game because, even though we won, it felt like a lot of bad stuff infiltrated this team in the second half of that game and has stuck with us.

IMO, the best and most poignant thing he brought up all night though is how instead of opening things up on offense, putting pressure on their D, extending leads, it’s like we constantly do the OPPOSITE by putting the lid on the bottle, condensing the game, which consistently leaves us in these tight games that go down to the wire. Our offensive philosophy is counter-productive to what it should be with the bevy of talent we have. The problem with playing in all these tight games is your margin of error is so slim and it gives the other team hope and belief. Instead of applying pressure this team, under Mario, coaches/plays scared and they’re perfectly content with this approach.
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So he’s a mope?

Plenty have been concerned with that since week 1… but we’re more efficient guys…complimentary football guys…
 
His livelihood depends on access.

You don't get access by going full slash and burn on the people whom you still depend on said access who, in turn, help provide for your livelihood.

The world just doesn't work that way.

I suspect Pate's journey on Big Manny (he has earned and returned to that status) will be similar to that of Freeze.

Several years from now he'll say, "Mario didn't work out at Miami because he just didn't win enough games, not for lack of trying..."
 
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DoctorKrazey said:
I watched this segment last night and he did his usual shtick of praising the winner, but you could also see his visible frustration with Mario and the inability to get it done. I remember being really angry after that FSU game because, even though we won, it felt like a lot of bad stuff infiltrated this team in the second half of that game and has stuck with us.

IMO, the best and most poignant thing he brought up all night though is how instead of opening things up on offense, putting pressure on their D, extending leads, it’s like we constantly do the OPPOSITE by putting the lid on the bottle, condensing the game, which consistently leaves us in these tight games that go down to the wire. Our offensive philosophy is counter-productive to what it should be with the bevy of talent we have. The problem with playing in all these tight games is your margin of error is so slim and it gives the other team hope and belief. Instead of applying pressure this team, under Mario, coaches/plays scared and they’re perfectly content with this approach.
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What Trumpycane finds amazing is Mario saw what an open offense can do last year

Whether it was Cam going rogue or not, doesn’t matter because look at the results

Even our short yard situations were so much better because the other team had to account for the pass with Cam

Look, Beck isn’t anywhere near Cam but look at the SMU game, he was playing well and in rhythm and instead of spreading it out with at least the threat of throwing we do this nonsense condensed crap
 
DoctorKrazey said:
I watched this segment last night and he did his usual shtick of praising the winner, but you could also see his visible frustration with Mario and the inability to get it done. I remember being really angry after that FSU game because, even though we won, it felt like a lot of bad stuff infiltrated this team in the second half of that game and has stuck with us.

IMO, the best and most poignant thing he brought up all night though is how instead of opening things up on offense, putting pressure on their D, extending leads, it’s like we constantly do the OPPOSITE by putting the lid on the bottle, condensing the game, which consistently leaves us in these tight games that go down to the wire. Our offensive philosophy is counter-productive to what it should be with the bevy of talent we have. The problem with playing in all these tight games is your margin of error is so slim and it gives the other team hope and belief. Instead of applying pressure this team, under Mario, coaches/plays scared and they’re perfectly content with this approach.
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I said that since ND game and was told everyone saw we won the game and 4th qtrs dont matter.. lol.. Same thing uf game, we dominate but then you look up after int and they have ball and score is 13-7. Then same thing with FSU.. Some guys like @LuCane have been sounding alarm but koolaid was too thick and we were told it doesnt matter, we dominated.

You CANNOT coach a team to go into a shell for an entire 4th qtr.. This is a mindset game, I tried to explain that it comes from top, styles matter, you have to be aggressive, Saban said SAME THING, we have too much talent to be this conservative, we coach scared, conservative, we coach for 3rd and 2. We coach for the sticks. We dont coach to score. Listen to super bowl coach talk about sticks vs. scoring in first 3 minutes of this video and think of mario




Meanwhile the mindset in freaking Indiana


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DoctorKrazey said:
I watched this segment last night and he did his usual shtick of praising the winner, but you could also see his visible frustration with Mario and the inability to get it done. I remember being really angry after that FSU game because, even though we won, it felt like a lot of bad stuff infiltrated this team in the second half of that game and has stuck with us.

IMO, the best and most poignant thing he brought up all night though is how instead of opening things up on offense, putting pressure on their D, extending leads, it’s like we constantly do the OPPOSITE by putting the lid on the bottle, condensing the game, which consistently leaves us in these tight games that go down to the wire. Our offensive philosophy is counter-productive to what it should be with the bevy of talent we have. The problem with playing in all these tight games is your margin of error is so slim and it gives the other team hope and belief. Instead of applying pressure this team, under Mario, coaches/plays scared and they’re perfectly content with this approach.
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Bingo bango, well said. I’ll also add that Mario is THE laughing stock of CFB. Not Brian Kelly, not Hugh freeze. Mario (and our team by association) is being panned as dumb and it’s hard to debate that point based on the on-field gross mismanagement of this team.

What keeps killing Mario is his unwillingness to adjust on philosophy. Every other coach can mitigate the talent disadvantage by outscheming. Not sure Mario will ever change his stripes.
 
TrumpyCane said:
What Trumpycane finds amazing is Mario saw what an open offense can do last year

Whether it was Cam going rogue or not, doesn’t matter because look at the results

Even our short yard situations were so much better because the other team had to account for the pass with Cam

Look, Beck isn’t anywhere near Cam but look at the SMU game, he was playing well and in rhythm and instead of spreading it out with at least the threat of throwing we do this nonsense condensed crap
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This is what many people like @DMoney dont take into account when they cite last years run numbers, Cam being on field essentially changes how teams play us at all times, they have to play honest and with Beck for some reason we DONT want to make teams pay for being overly aggressive. We just go with whats called no matter if there are 10 guys at line of scrimmage and just stand confused when it doesnt work. Beck after says I just run whats called..

Cam would check out of plays and Martinez is still better than any back we have now and we didnt recruit over him, we went cheap and got some avg back who is not better than Fletcher who is avg. also. Last year we went all in trying to get any top rb in portal, we didnt this year thinking oline would be "playmakers" but only impact plays they making is penalties.
 
skyman said:
I said that since ND game and was told everyone saw we won the game and 4th qtrs dont matter.. lol.. Same thing uf game, we dominate but then you look up after int and they have ball and score is 13-7. Then same thing with FSU.. Some guys like @LuCane have been sounding alarm but koolaid was too thick and we were told it doesnt matter, we dominated.

You CANNOT coach a team to go into a shell for an entire 4th qtr.. This is a mindset game, I tried to explain that it comes from top, styles matter, you have to be aggressive, Saban said SAME THING, we have too much talent to be this conservative, we coach scared, conservative, we coach for 3rd and 2. We coach for the sticks. We dont coach to score. Listen to super bowl coach talk about sticks vs. scoring in first 3 minutes of this video and think of mario




Meanwhile the mindset in freaking Indiana


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I'll personally never understand the lack of awareness from people who get paid millions to do their job. It would keep me up every night.

The funny thing about sounding the alarm is engaging in debates with people who want to deny the reality of the pattern.

Rinse. Repeat.
 
LuCane said:
I'll personally never understand the lack of awareness from people who get paid millions to do their job. It would keep me up every night.

The funny thing about sounding the alarm is engaging in debates with people who want to deny the reality of the pattern.

Rinse. Repeat.
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Its was an absolute dangerous precedent that was being set, NCST and Pitt will be **** because we our coaching for 20 point games and pitt avgs 40 and NCST with CJ and Hollywood coming off bye week will give us ****..

When you get chance would like your thoughts on the Bruce Arians video with segment in first minute about coaching for sticks vs. scoring..
 
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TrumpyCane said:
What Trumpycane finds amazing is Mario saw what an open offense can do last year

Whether it was Cam going rogue or not, doesn’t matter because look at the results

Even our short yard situations were so much better because the other team had to account for the pass with Cam

Look, Beck isn’t anywhere near Cam but look at the SMU game, he was playing well and in rhythm and instead of spreading it out with at least the threat of throwing we do this nonsense condensed crap
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4th and 1 should have been a PA pass and someone is still running.
 
LuCane said:
I'll personally never understand the lack of awareness from people who get paid millions to do their job. It would keep me up every night.

The funny thing about sounding the alarm is engaging in debates with people who want to deny the reality of the pattern.

Rinse. Repeat.
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Real men, real leaders, and real winners self evaluate daily. They welcome criticism and embrace growth. Mario is none of those things
 
skyman said:
This is what many people like @DMoney dont take into account when they cite last years run numbers.
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Forget about last year. In 2023, we averaged 5.0 yards per carry and now we are down to 3.9. And Beck and Fletcher are better than what we had then.

I’ve been talking to a lot of CFB/NFL people outside of UM and will be posting a long post with some external perspectives on the issues with this offense.
 
DMoney said:
Forget about last year. In 2023, we averaged 5.0 yards per carry and now we are down to 3.9. And Beck and Fletcher are better than what we had then.

I’ve been talking to a lot of CFB/NFL people outside of UM and will be posting a long post with some external perspectives on the issues with this offense.
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TLDR: Mario Cristobal is a caveman
 
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