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Jason Taylor?

FrancisSawyer said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with OPs question. It's a legitimate question/concern. @JD4 has made some excellent points but the fact is we do lack a pass russing threat off the edge. Right before the season I said that this would not be the year that Kelly would have his coming out party. That will be in 2024 barring injury. I also said that Bain would be a factor almost immediately and that we will not be able to keep him off the field. As well as Bain has been playing this year, next year he will put it all together. We are very young at DE outside of Messidor and Harvey. The problem is that Messidor has been out since ATM and Harvey is a solid role player. 2024 will be the year that our DEs begin to come into their own but even next year we will still be fairly young.

DE/DT Bain
DE Kelly
DE Wayne
DE/DT Acheampong
DE/DT Mesidor
DE Harvey
DE Moss
DE Lightfoot**
DE. Rudolph **
DE Pickett **

** 2024 commit non binding
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That DT depth is not it.
 
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fraggle said:
His notoriety is great, especially recruiting BUT is he a great coach? I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage. Not an expert but for those in the know, is he a true asset based on what we've seen so far?
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan and hope he is a driving force, just would like to see it in the games.
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Guess he answered that question last night.
 
fraggle said:
His notoriety is great, especially recruiting BUT is he a great coach? I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage. Not an expert but for those in the know, is he a true asset based on what we've seen so far?
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan and hope he is a driving force, just would like to see it in the games.
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Yes, @fraggle
 
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fraggle said:
His notoriety is great, especially recruiting BUT is he a great coach? I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage. Not an expert but for those in the know, is he a true asset based on what we've seen so far?
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan and hope he is a driving force, just would like to see it in the games.
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We averaging 4 sacks a game. I'm with you. NOT ENOUGH!!! And not all of them came from the DL!! I need 7 per game to feel dominant. Hopefully we can pick it up.

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fraggle said:
His notoriety is great, especially recruiting BUT is he a great coach? I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage. Not an expert but for those in the know, is he a true asset based on what we've seen so far?
Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan and hope he is a driving force, just would like to see it in the games.
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"I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage."

This type of misconception drives me insane. It's an aspect of Fandom that I've never been able to understand. This idea that an outstanding, Hall of Fame level player will automatically be able to turn his players into clones of himself is one of the most ludicrous ideas out there and the fact that it still persists is confounding to me. This idea that if Barry Sanders coached running backs then that unit would be expected to lead whatever league in rushing yards and explosive running plays is what I'm referring to.

Not only does this have no factual basis in reality but often superstar players who get into coaching find it to be frustrating and their coaching to be ineffective. There is so much more to actual coaching than the coaches personal accomplishments/accolades. You can coach fundamentals, you can make leaning fun and enjoyable you can be a great motivator and an innovative schemer and make a player the best version of themselves possible, but a coach cannot create or put into a player what the good Lord did not.

It just so happens that Coach Taylor is an excellent young position coach with a bright future ahead of him as a potential DC and perhaps beyond. He also has a great deal of talent to work with. However he won't automatically coach his DL into leading the nation in sacks just because he is an NFL Hall of Fame DE. He can coach a DL who does that by being a demanding yet fair coach who motivates, emphasizes fundamentals and teaches the finer points/techniques of the position in a way thst players can understand and put into action.

Memo to @fraggle

Coach Taylor is a very good coach and he and the DL are doing just fine. Have you not noticed the play of Tyler Baron and Elijah Alston? Have you not noticed that Rueben Bain has been out thus far? Have you not noticed that Akheem Mesidor who had been expected to play the majority of his snaps at DE has been playing much more at DT? Have you noticed the play of rising redshirt freshman DE Malik Bryant? Do you know that the rest of the depth at the position consists of.....DEs
Cole McConathy
Marquis Lightfoot
Armando Blount(DE for now)
Booker Pickett Jr
Elias Rudolph
All of whom are true freshmen???

Did you know that in two games this defense has 8 sacks? Did you know thst puts us on pace for 48 this season? Relax friend. Everything is going well thus far.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
"I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage."

This type of misconception drives me insane. It's an aspect of Fandom that I've never been able to understand. This idea that an outstanding, Hall of Fame level player will automatically be able to turn his players into clones of himself is one of the most ludicrous ideas out there and the fact that it still persists is confounding to me. This idea that if Barry Sanders coached running backs then that unit would be expected to lead whatever league in rushing yards and explosive running plays is what I'm referring to.

Not only does this have no factual basis in reality but often superstar players who get into coaching find it to be frustrating and their coaching to be ineffective. There is so much more to actual coaching than the coaches personal accomplishments/accolades. You can coach fundamentals, you can make leaning fun and enjoyable you can be a great motivator and an innovative schemer and make a player the best version of themselves possible, but a coach cannot create or put into a player what the good Lord did not.

It just so happens that Coach Taylor is an excellent young position coach with a bright future ahead of him as a potential DC and perhaps beyond. He also has a great deal of talent to work with. However he won't automatically coach his DL into leading the nation in sacks just because he is an NFL Hall of Fame DE. He can coach a DL who does that by being a demanding yet fair coach who motivates, emphasizes fundamentals and teaches the finer points/techniques of the position in a way thst players can understand and put into action.

Memo to @fraggle

Coach Taylor is a very good coach and he and the DL are doing just fine. Have you not noticed the play of Tyler Baron and Elijah Alston? Have you not noticed that Rueben Bain has been out thus far? Have you not noticed that Akheem Mesidor who had been expected to play the majority of his snaps at DE has been playing much more at DT? Have you noticed the play of rising redshirt freshman DE Malik Bryant? Do you know that the rest of the depth at the position consists of.....DEs
Cole McConathy
Marquis Lightfoot
Armando Blount(DE for now)
Booker Pickett Jr
Elias Rudolph
All of whom are true freshmen???

Did you know that in two games this defense has 8 sacks? Did you know thst puts us on pace for 48 this season? Relax friend. Everything is going well thus far.
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This was a post from last year.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
"I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage."

This type of misconception drives me insane. It's an aspect of Fandom that I've never been able to understand. This idea that an outstanding, Hall of Fame level player will automatically be able to turn his players into clones of himself is one of the most ludicrous ideas out there and the fact that it still persists is confounding to me. This idea that if Barry Sanders coached running backs then that unit would be expected to lead whatever league in rushing yards and explosive running plays is what I'm referring to.

Not only does this have no factual basis in reality but often superstar players who get into coaching find it to be frustrating and their coaching to be ineffective. There is so much more to actual coaching than the coaches personal accomplishments/accolades. You can coach fundamentals, you can make leaning fun and enjoyable you can be a great motivator and an innovative schemer and make a player the best version of themselves possible, but a coach cannot create or put into a player what the good Lord did not.

It just so happens that Coach Taylor is an excellent young position coach with a bright future ahead of him as a potential DC and perhaps beyond. He also has a great deal of talent to work with. However he won't automatically coach his DL into leading the nation in sacks just because he is an NFL Hall of Fame DE. He can coach a DL who does that by being a demanding yet fair coach who motivates, emphasizes fundamentals and teaches the finer points/techniques of the position in a way thst players can understand and put into action.

Memo to @fraggle

Coach Taylor is a very good coach and he and the DL are doing just fine. Have you not noticed the play of Tyler Baron and Elijah Alston? Have you not noticed that Rueben Bain has been out thus far? Have you not noticed that Akheem Mesidor who had been expected to play the majority of his snaps at DE has been playing much more at DT? Have you noticed the play of rising redshirt freshman DE Malik Bryant? Do you know that the rest of the depth at the position consists of.....DEs
Cole McConathy
Marquis Lightfoot
Armando Blount(DE for now)
Booker Pickett Jr
Elias Rudolph
All of whom are true freshmen???

Did you know that in two games this defense has 8 sacks? Did you know thst puts us on pace for 48 this season? Relax friend. Everything is going well thus far.
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In fairness, @fraggle posted this in ‘23 😂
 
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All these position coaches will benefit with Mario being the main recruiter. Rinse and repeat coaches leaving etc we will be fine. That is all
 
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