Jason Taylor?

[JD4]

Would love for you to revisit this with updated info in 2 weeks.

Remind me in two weeks and I will. Georgia last season had the 4th lowest sack rate in the country (right behind Oregon at #3) and their defense was ELITE.

I’ve been impressed with our DL play this year and I’ll re-evaluate with the numbers and eye test in a couple of weeks, but I stand by the assessment that “sacks” are not a good stand-alone indicator of overall DL play

That 2022 Georgia DL includes 3 1st rounders in last years NFL draft.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

This article in the athletic last year talks about how “sacks” are not a very telling measure for today’s game: https://theathletic.com/3609086/2022/09/20/college-football-sacks-georgia/?amp=1

Here is a quote from the article which includes a quote from Kirby Smart whose Georgia defense last year was among the best all time but had a tiny sack rate:
“But defenses, realizing how much harder it has been to get sacks, have not looked at them as the main barometer for whether they’re getting enough pressure.

‘It’s the evolution of the game,’ Smart said. ‘Our job is to be disruptive and pressure the quarterback, affect the quarterback. But that doesn’t always equal sack the quarterback, which is obvious this year, that that’s been tough to do.’”

Below are two pictures. The first one is of the top 11 defenses this year. The second is of the teams with the lowest sack rates in NCAAF. We along with Oregon, Penn State, Michigan and Georgia are among the worst 17 teams this year in sack rate but we are among the 11 best defenses in the country.

Sacks are great—but they don’t tell the whole story.
Even though we haven’t been getting a lot of sacks our DL has been a strength of our defense it just isn’t showing up in traditional stat sheets.
Their play has been huge against the run and making QBs uncomfortable. Sure more sacks would be great, but I’m more concerned with preventing the QB scrambles up the middle when we lose integrity after a stunt.

Overall DL is making our LBs and DBs look great
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This lacks so much context. Of course a historically great defense doesn’t care about sacks. They got pressure with 4 all year. That’s the difference. Unless you adjust those numbers to incorporate the numbers of rushers, it means nothing. Miami is not getting pressure with just 4.

And any standings that aren’t schedule adjusted are fake. Those are just counting stats.

 

[JD4]

This lacks so much context. Of course a historically great defense doesn’t care about sacks. They got pressure with 4 all year. That’s the difference. Unless you adjust those numbers to incorporate the numbers of rushers, it means nothing. Miami is not getting pressure with just 4.

And any standings that aren’t schedule adjusted are fake. Those are just counting stats.

The DL was our best position group heading into the season and our defense has been pretty great so far but you’re inclined to believe they’re playing badly now just because we aren’t getting sacks?

From my eye-test, our DL is generating pressure and stuffing the run. They’re playing fundamentally sound defense which is helping our LBs tremendously on run D, and Guidry is dropping DEs back and sending unconventional 4-5 man blitzes to keep quarterbacks and OL from feeling comfortable,

It’s not just Georgia, it’s other teams too. I know good DL play when I see it and our DL has improved this year 100% idc what the sacks show.

 

[JD4]

This lacks so much context. Of course a historically great defense doesn’t care about sacks. They got pressure with 4 all year. That’s the difference. Unless you adjust those numbers to incorporate the numbers of rushers, it means nothing. Miami is not getting pressure with just 4.

And any standings that aren’t schedule adjusted are fake. Those are just counting stats.

Find context to disprove what the eye-test shows. I’d be happy to share it but I don’t have access to information about number of rushers or anything fancy like that I’m using information easily available online in addition to what I’ve seen on the field this year.

I played DE, I know what good DL play looks like, and it’s one of the position groups I pay a lot of attention to during the game

 

[cway313]

Find context to disprove what the eye-test shows. I’d be happy to share it but I don’t have access to information about number of rushers or anything fancy like that I’m using information easily available online in addition to what I’ve seen on the field this year.

I played DE, I know what good DL play looks like, and it’s one of the position groups I pay a lot of attention to during the game

I think strength of schedule is working strongly in our favor. I also would be willing to bet Couch has the most pressures on team.

 

[LuCane]

I agree that Kelly’s injury has prevented him from being as impactful as he could be, but I think he looked phenomenal last game and I’ve been very impressed with his growth. I think understanding the scheme and what the players are being asked to do is more important for evaluating their performance than just looking at the sack numbers.

Look at my previous post in this thread and you’ll see a lot of the best defenses in the country have low sack numbers. The defenses goal is to prevent the offense from scoring. Last year we had way more sacks but we gave up more yards.

I’ve been very impressed with the DLs growth this year and think they’ve played much more fundamentally sound football and it’s paying off dividends for the defense as a whole. DL playing good fundamental football is making our LBs look a lot better than they did last year

I’m uncertain where from my post you interpreted that I evaluate our pass rush as sack numbers. In fact, when sack numbers were brought up as evidence that our ability to really get after the QB was great last year, I pushed back. Mainly, because we established it differently - which is ok, except we also need the some edge pressure, too.

I understand what they’re being asked to do. Part of it is that I still haven’t seen anyone, including Kelly unfortunately, able to really bend the edge. Even when it’s attempted, no one has shown that just yet. Hopefully, Kelly does. I’ve had high hopes for him.

Other than him, and maybe if Moss suddenly gains a ton of weight/strength, I don’t see a candidate on our current roster. Looking forward to the incoming guys who can offer this skill set.

 

[252cane]

I’m uncertain where from my post you interpreted that I evaluate our pass rush as sack numbers. In fact, when sack numbers were brought up as evidence that our ability to really get after the QB was great last year, I pushed back. Mainly, because we established it differently - which is ok, except we also need the some edge pressure, too.

I understand what they’re being asked to do. Part of it is that I still haven’t seen anyone, including Kelly unfortunately, able to really bend the edge. Even when it’s attempted, no one has shown that just yet. Hopefully, Kelly does. I’ve had high hopes for him.

Other than him, and maybe if Moss suddenly gains a ton of weight/strength, I don’t see a candidate on our current roster. Looking forward to the incoming guys who can offer this skill set.

Maybe they should give moss some pass rush reps and see what he can do with his speed and quickness. The more I watch Bain the more I feel he would be best as an undersized 3tech

 

[yeyo]

Take a nap

Or a lap

 

[BigWindyCane1]

JT was an all time great DE at about 235 lbs. I love our DL play this season. No team has effectively run the football on the Canes this season. Most opponents have devised a quick pass offensive system and abandonEd the run game. DL play is not our problem this season, and I am sure that GT and our other opponents will agree.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

The DL was our best position group heading into the season and our defense has been pretty great so far but you’re inclined to believe they’re playing badly now just because we aren’t getting sacks?

From my eye-test, our DL is generating pressure and stuffing the run. They’re playing fundamentally sound defense which is helping our LBs tremendously on run D, and Guidry is dropping DEs back and sending unconventional 4-5 man blitzes to keep quarterbacks and OL from feeling comfortable,

It’s not just Georgia, it’s other teams too. I know good DL play when I see it and our DL has improved this year 100% idc what the sacks show.

I didn’t say anything about stopping the run. They’ve done that on an elite level. Guidry himself said they weren’t getting pressure with 4. It just hasn’t been an issue bc he blitzed A&M all night and nobody has had the QB to beat our DB’s deep outside of once or twice. It will be an issue tomorrow night, if it takes 5-6 guys to speed Maye up. Our DB’s can’t hold up in coverage against an elite QB for more than 3 seconds.

 

[Dwinstitles]

when the rooster starts turning over his coaching will get better. When those DEs get here add Wayne as well they will be saying hes a great coach just be patient.

 

[JD4]

I think strength of schedule is working strongly in our favor. I also would be willing to bet Couch has the most pressures on team.

Could be. We’ll see what happens. Getting Deen back was huge. When we get Mesidor back I should give Bain more rest so they can bring it at 100% every rep.

I think the DL has been great this year and think it’ll be great throughout the season. We need to contain the qb on scrambles up the middle though

 

[JD4]

I didn’t say anything about stopping the run. They’ve done that on an elite level. Guidry himself said they weren’t getting pressure with 4. It just hasn’t been an issue bc he blitzed A&M all night and nobody has had the QB to beat our DB’s deep outside of once or twice. It will be an issue tomorrow night, if it takes 5-6 guys to speed Maye up. Our DB’s can’t hold up in coverage against an elite QB for more than 3 seconds.

You didn’t but OP asked how Taylor was going as a DL coach.

“BUT is he a great coach? I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage.”

Gotta give credit to their run stopping and effectiveness in the run D to evaluate their overall performance

I think they’ve been getting held like crazy and hopefully we start getting more of those calls but they’ve been getting more pressure than they’re being given credit for. We’ll see how it shakes out rest of the year

 

[NC_Canes_11]

You didn’t but OP asked how Taylor was going as a DL coach.

“BUT is he a great coach? I thought we'd have many more sacks under his tutelage.”

Gotta give credit to their run stopping and effectiveness in the run D to evaluate their overall performance

I think they’ve been getting held like crazy and hopefully we start getting more of those calls but they’ve been getting more pressure than they’re being given credit for. We’ll see how it shakes out rest of the year

I don’t have an opinion of him as a coach yet bc it’s still early. I was just commenting on what you posted. Everything about the run game is correct, my issue was with total D and pressure rate. I think those lack context.

Either way we’ll see what happens tomorrow in the first big matchup against an elite QB. I think to spells trouble if the front 4 can’t get to Maye or let him get out of the pocket and pick up 10 every 3rd down.

 

[JD4]

I don’t have an opinion of him as a coach yet bc it’s still early. I was just commenting on what you posted. Everything about the run game is correct, my issue was with total D and pressure rate. I think those lack context.

Either way we’ll see what happens tomorrow in the first big matchup against an elite QB. I think to spells trouble if the front 4 can’t get to Maye or let him get out of the pocket and pick up 10 every 3rd down.

If anyone has access to a site that has information about blitz percentage, pressure %, etc. I’m happy to look through that and share findings. Not sure if that stuff is available for free

 

[Gi0logy]

Lol at this “we’re getting held on every call” narrative we’ve been perpetuating since Manny.

Stop making excuses and being crybabies. It happens to every team.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

If anyone has access to a site that has information about blitz percentage, pressure %, etc. I’m happy to look through that and share findings. Not sure if that stuff is available for free

It’s available somewhere but probably not for free. And especially not number of rushers, etc.

We can reconvene after these next couple weeks and see how much Guidry drops DE’s on pass rushing downs. I’m really curious to see what the gameplan is tomorrow. Maye struggles against quarters so let’s hope we get some of that and the D line shows up and doesn’t need any help.

 

[E1k]

This article in the athletic last year talks about how “sacks” are not a very telling measure for today’s game: https://theathletic.com/3609086/2022/09/20/college-football-sacks-georgia/?amp=1

Here is a quote from the article which includes a quote from Kirby Smart whose Georgia defense last year was among the best all time but had a tiny sack rate:
“But defenses, realizing how much harder it has been to get sacks, have not looked at them as the main barometer for whether they’re getting enough pressure.

‘It’s the evolution of the game,’ Smart said. ‘Our job is to be disruptive and pressure the quarterback, affect the quarterback. But that doesn’t always equal sack the quarterback, which is obvious this year, that that’s been tough to do.’”

Below are two pictures. The first one is of the top 11 defenses this year. The second is of the teams with the lowest sack rates in NCAAF. We along with Oregon, Penn State, Michigan and Georgia are among the worst 17 teams this year in sack rate but we are among the 11 best defenses in the country.

Sacks are great—but they don’t tell the whole story.
Even though we haven’t been getting a lot of sacks our DL has been a strength of our defense it just isn’t showing up in traditional stat sheets.
Their play has been huge against the run and making QBs uncomfortable. Sure more sacks would be great, but I’m more concerned with preventing the QB scrambles up the middle when we lose integrity after a stunt.

Overall DL is making our LBs and DBs look great
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If I remember correctly, last year marshall was low in sacks but also had one of the top defenses..similar to uga like u mentioned.

 

[E1k]

1. Our pass rush hasn’t been great, still lack the difference makers in that aspect..

Guidry is scheming up pressures with stunts,sim pressures and creepers. Guys aren’t winning enough one on ones

2. Pressures are just as if not more important than sacks

3. We will get a better idea of what jt is next year and the following when we see players that have been developed under him play more and then have new guys he evaluated on campus

 

[E1k]

I’m uncertain where from my post you interpreted that I evaluate our pass rush as sack numbers. In fact, when sack numbers were brought up as evidence that our ability to really get after the QB was great last year, I pushed back. Mainly, because we established it differently - which is ok, except we also need the some edge pressure, too.

I understand what they’re being asked to do. Part of it is that I still haven’t seen anyone, including Kelly unfortunately, able to really bend the edge. Even when it’s attempted, no one has shown that just yet. Hopefully, Kelly does. I’ve had high hopes for him.

Other than him, and maybe if Moss suddenly gains a ton of weight/strength, I don’t see a candidate on our current roster. Looking forward to the incoming guys who can offer this skill set.

Kelly had a good game so this isn’t slander I promise but…i say gtech TE block him 1on1 lol

I think our best pass rusher is bain tbh but he’s out of position to be really effective every down. He should be at 3tech

Moss looks explosive off the edge in the times I’ve seen him but he’s a stick and the ot can easily push him off his rush. After qb edge should be #1 priority in the portal