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Jarren Williams thread #6

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Hegemon said:
Mao?

Where is Saddum, Adolf, Kim and Pol?
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The only Mao we acknowledge is this lil joint in Westchester.

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Mao said:
I think Jarren is like a Bard Kayaak. We heard countless times that he could make all the trows, gave everyone a shot at the ball and had a nice touch. He was green tree 7v7 and 11v11 no contact All American and was even a dark horse per ESPN to win the heismen. We all saw how his soft attitude turned out when he got hit. I don't know how soft Jarren is in comparison to Bard but I see a lot of similarities on their hype and traits to think otherwise.
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HurricaneHauk said:
Kaaya was good for us?

Biggest thing he accomplished in 3 years was beating a WVU team in some who cares bowl.

In 3 years did he beat one team that finished ranked?
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Lol;

At this stage in my life, I’m done w the back & forth. Lol

If you can’t see that if he had a competent defense in his 1st two yrs supporting him, and a competent offensive scheme supporting him for his first 5 games, his record would’ve been way more accomplished, then there’s no need bro. I’ll let u be in ur feelings, pimp.
 
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305to954 said:
So W/L falls all the QB. Is that how simple minded and naive some in our fan base are?
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He put up some nice numbers but wasn't a leader or a difference maker at QB. I argued this plenty and everyone on here would just say wait until he gets to the NFL (as if that would've made any difference). Surprisingly, the same people are still sticking to their guns. He had a 2000 yard back his freshman year, OL such as Flowers, McDermott, Isidora, and Feliciano, and a D that certainly didn't pass the eye test but finished top 20 in scoring defense his sophomore and junior years. He should've easily led us to Coastal titles if he was half the QB everyone on here thinks he was.
 
hughhoney said:
He put up some nice numbers but wasn't a leader or a difference maker at QB. I argued this plenty and everyone on here would just say wait until he gets to the NFL (as if that would've made any difference). Surprisingly, the same people are still sticking to their guns. He had a 2000 yard back his freshman year, OL such as Flowers, McDermott, Isidora, and Feliciano, and a D that certainly didn't pass the eye test but finished top 20 in scoring defense his sophomore and junior years. He should've easily led us to Coastal titles if he was half the QB everyone on here thinks he was.
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All I’m saying is he did his part. I never thought he was the dynamic player needed to elevate an entire team..but how many of those guys are there really..so too bring up him having a solid offensive unit as a true freshman rushed into action without properly contextualizing the situation is unfair. That year he wasn’t ready to start. But he got better during the year and played well beyond expectations..His sophomore year behind that line he got beat up, still player well enough to have us in games..his junior year he actually did elevate the offense that had a bunch of questions around him.

All in all he was the best QB we had here since Dorsey. The only reason Dorsey is held in high regard is because of the talent around him. He wasn’t a dynamic game changer. Anyone who argues otherwise is being unfair to the circumstances in which kaaya arrived at UM under. That’s just keeping it 100

And lastly you can’t bring a kids NFL career to justify his college career. There are only 32 starting jobs..32 back up jobs..a lot of those jobs are determined by relationships and politics If we being real.
 
305to954 said:
All I’m saying is he did his part. I never thought he was the dynamic player needed to elevate an entire team..but how many of those guys are there really..so too bring up him having a solid offensive unit as a true freshman rushed into action without properly contextualizing the situation is unfair. That year he wasn’t ready to start. But he got better during the year and played well beyond expectations..His sophomore year behind that line he got beat up, still player well enough to have us in games..his junior year he actually did elevate the offense that had a bunch of questions around him.

All in all he was the best QB we had here since Dorsey. The only reason Dorsey is held in high regard is because of the talent around him. He wasn’t a dynamic game changer. Anyone who argues otherwise is being unfair to the circumstances in which kaaya arrived at UM under. That’s just keeping it 100

And lastly you can’t bring a kids NFL career to justify his college career. There are only 32 starting jobs..32 back up jobs..a lot of those jobs are determined by relationships and politics If we being real.
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Yet Stephen Morris has/will have a longer NFL career than Kaaya

**** Brock Berlin was in the league for 6 years
 
305to954 said:
All I’m saying is he did his part. I never thought he was the dynamic player needed to elevate an entire team..but how many of those guys are there really..so too bring up him having a solid offensive unit as a true freshman rushed into action without properly contextualizing the situation is unfair. That year he wasn’t ready to start. But he got better during the year and played well beyond expectations..His sophomore year behind that line he got beat up, still player well enough to have us in games..his junior year he actually did elevate the offense that had a bunch of questions around him.

All in all he was the best QB we had here since Dorsey. The only reason Dorsey is held in high regard is because of the talent around him. He wasn’t a dynamic game changer. Anyone who argues otherwise is being unfair to the circumstances in which kaaya arrived at UM under. That’s just keeping it 100

And lastly you can’t bring a kids NFL career to justify his college career. There are only 32 starting jobs..32 back up jobs..a lot of those jobs are determined by relationships and politics If we being real.
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We were 6-7 his freshman year. With Duke, Flowers, and 5 other NFL ready players that were drafted, I don't think he played well beyond expectations at all. I don't think he was better than Stephen Morris or Brock Berlin, and being better than the others isn't too big of a compliment. Just another guy that I'm glad is gone.

I agree completely about the NFL thing, that's why I had no idea why that was everyone's main argument while Kaaya was still a player here.
 
HurricaneHauk said:
Yet Stephen Morris has/will have a longer NFL career than Kaaya

**** Brock Berlin was in the league for 6 years
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And Peyton Manning had the same backup in Indy for how many years? That’s my point. I’ll use kaep as an example. You can’t sit here and say kap wasn’t better than at least 80%of the backups in the league at playing QB.
 
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hughhoney said:
We were 6-7 his freshman year. With Duke, Flowers, and 5 other NFL ready players that were drafted, I don't think he played well beyond expectations at all. I don't think he was better than Stephen Morris or Brock Berlin, and being better than the others isn't too big of a compliment. Just another guy that I'm glad is gone.

I agree completely about the NFL thing, that's why I had no idea why that was everyone's main argument while Kaaya was still a player here.
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With all that being said Morris started 3 years here and didn’t win a bowl game with the same talent brad has as freshman..Berlin played with national championship level talent and in the losses we had you could point to his play as the reason we lost especially his first year starting ..he was very solid his last year tho..if you put brad on those Berlin teams I think they at the least don’t miss a beat but have a higher ceiling. Brad was a much more accurate passer than both Stephen and Berlin
 
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305to954 said:
And Peyton Manning had the same backup in Indy for how many years? That’s my point. I’ll use kaep as an example. You can’t sit here and say kap wasn’t better than at least 80%of the backups in the league at playing QB.
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Except you know no one wants a media circus for a backup QB

Why again isn't Kaaya in the NFL? He has no personal issues, no outside issues like Kaep

Dude isn't good
 
305to954 said:
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With all that being said Morris started 3 years here and didn’t win a bowl game with the same talent brad has as freshman..Berlin played with national championship level talent and in the losses we had you could point to his play as the reason we lost especially his first year starting ..he was very solid his last year tho..if you put brad on those Berlin teams I think they at the least don’t miss a beat but have a higher ceiling. Brad was a much more accurate passer than both Stephen and Berlin
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not celebrating Morris or Berlin either. Kaaya was more accurate than those two, he was more accurate than Dorsey too, but being accurate is not the only part of being a good QB. For example, Kaaya would not have beaten UF in the epic comeback game, but he probably would've beaten Tennessee. Either way, for a guy who continuously failed in big-time moments, I wouldn't ever say that if he could've lead a championship team.
 
Kaaya was the best QB we've had here since Dorsey. Should have beaten FSU a couple times if Golden didn't go conservative and the OL could have held up for a PAT. We've had a lot of QBs to bash in the last 15+ years but Kaaya isn't one of them.
 
305to954 said:
So W/L falls all the QB. Is that how simple minded and naive some in our fan base are?
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Yeah, apparently. He can pass for almost 60% and 400+ yards plus 3 TDs and zero interceptions against FSU....but because the defense didn't do it's job, allowing over 500 yds against them, including Cook getting 222 rushing, while and our leading rusher had 33 yards on 15 carries.....it's Kaaya's fault that we lost. They either don't understand the first thing about football, or have some weird agenda.
 
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