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supersaiyanshel said:
We ain't Clemson, and Jarren is no Trevor. They get the benefit of the doubt having just won a championship and all.

Jarren has not been as advertised by some. Well that's not entirely true he has been accurate -- but that's only bc he either holds onto the ball or refuses to throw it more than 5 yards.
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And exactly, we aren’t Clemson (a top 2 program the last 4 years) but yet they still struggled the whole game. Anyone can struggle

Most of jarrens yards come from passes beyond 5 yards but according to you overreacting he REFUSES to throw beyond 5 yards.
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this was before the cmu game of his yardage breakdown and where he’s throwing it to. Vs cmu he was 7-10 of throws 10-20 yards for 167 yards

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this was a breakdown through these 5 qbs through the first 3 games of where they are throwing it to in terms of spent of passes. Not alot different than a lot of the other qbs.

With all that being said, I’m not saying Jarren is perfect and can’t improve. He hasn’t been perfect but he hasn’t been nearly as bad as some of you are insinuating. Did you forget last year when we had qbs barely even throwing for 165 yards per game? Do you know how pathetic that was? Jarren needs to continue to work on his game as they are obvious areas of improvement such as deep ball accuracy, working on the internal clock and running more.
 
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reg said:
It's not an all or nothing type of situation. It's not either you're "all world" or you are average (game manager).

The point guards that you mentioned, are all superstars. PG's like Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, and Sam Cassel, were all very good point guards, who, based upon your argument, would be considered game managers or average. Each one may not have been considered the best at the position at any point of their careers, but they were very good PG's. You know what else they all have in common? They all won championships.

Jarren is not average. Who knows whether or not he will end up being "Elite", but he is certainly better than average.
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I used a Bimbo Coles co.parisin a few days back for Jarren and I'm sticking with it 😂

Hes no Billups or Parker or Cassell who were all champions and All Stars and definitely wouldn't fit my definition of game managers. ****, Parker is a borderline Hall of Famer.

I see average with Jarren. Feel free to disagree it's all good, it's another of those things where I'm hoping to be wrong. But hes never won big, even back in High School. It's always been projection with him.[/QUOTE]
 
brock said:
And exactly, we aren’t Clemson (a top 2 program the last 4 years) but yet they still struggled the whole game. Anyone can struggle

Most of jarrens yards come from passes beyond 5 yards but according to you overreacting he REFUSES to throw beyond 5 yards.
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this was before the cmu game of his yardage breakdown and where he’s throwing it to. Vs cmu he was 7-10 of throws 10-20 yards for 167 yards

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this was a breakdown through these 5 qbs through the first 3 games of where they are throwing it to in terms of spent of passes. Not alot different than a lot of the other qbs.

With all that being said, I’m not saying Jarren is perfect and can’t improve. He hasn’t been perfect but he hasn’t been nearly as bad as some of you are insinuating. Did you forget last year when we had qbs barely even throwing for 165 yards per game? Do you know how pathetic that was? Jarren needs to continue to work on his game as they are obvious areas of improvement such as deep ball accuracy, working on the internal clock and running more.
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Couple of things ...

1. Of course anyone can struggle. The 2001 team almost lost to BC. But the great ones fund a way to win. Clemson got the win. We didnt.

2. Clearly my 5 yds comment was an exaggerration, but those stats you put up, do Jarren no favors in countering the narrative that he doesnt like to throw it deep.

2. CMU stats are misleading in terms of the deep ball. One completion was a 19 yarder to Deejay that was a screen basically. A couple were to Brevin where the majority of the yardage came after the catch. Again, hes not throwing it deep like that. I think Harleys were mostly YAC as well.

3. The Qb comparison is worthless and also misleading. For one, it only shows passing TDs and not total. It doesnt show Sacks (admittedly this isnt all Jarrens fault), and every one of those QBs has faced stiffer competition than Jarren has so far. Even then, Jarrens thrown for less yards and TDs (and most importantly, won less). Every other Qb is over 20 % on the deep ball except Tua.

Lastly, theres not a Qb on that list who youd take Jarren over to play with THIS Miami squad RIGHT NOW. That's the real reason that Qb comparison list is ultimately worthless window dressing.

4. I never claimed or insinuated Jarren was bad. He just hasn't been good either outside of the UF game imo (which we shouldve won).
 
supersaiyanshel said:
I used a Bimbo Coles co.parisin a few days back for Jarren and I'm sticking with it 😂

Hes no Billups or Parker or Cassell who were all champions and All Stars and definitely wouldn't fit my definition of game managers. ****, Parker is a borderline Hall of Famer.

I see average with Jarren. Feel free to disagree it's all good, it's another of those things where I'm hoping to be wrong. But hes never won big, even back in High School. It's always been projection with him.
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LMAO about Bimbo Coles. Props to you for using Bimbo as a reference, even though I disagree with your argument.
Jarren has a plethora of things he needs to improve on, but he, in my opinion is better than average.

You used High School as a reference. I personally don't care about what happened in high school, but for the sake of this discussion, he was chosen as an Elite 11 quarterback, even though he was on a very avery high school team. Why? Because Jarren, himself, is not average. He was Army All-American. Why? Because though his team may have been average, Jarren himself, was not average. He outperformed several "Elite" QB's at these camps and the All American games.

Jarren is our starting QB and therefore has to share the blame and have accountability for the struggles that we've had so far on offense. There has been several TD's left of the field, many of which, are definitely Jarren's fault. However, giving the circumstances of his O-Line, as well as this being his first 4 games, "average" doesn't fit his level of play thus far, IMO.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Couple of things ...

1. Of course anyone can struggle. The 2001 team almost lost to BC. But the great ones fund a way to win. Clemson got the win. We didnt.

2. Clearly my 5 yds comment was an exaggerration, but those stats you put up, do Jarren no favors in countering the narrative that he doesnt like to throw it deep.

2. CMU stats are misleading in terms of the deep ball. One completion was a 19 yarder to Deejay that was a screen basically. A couple were to Brevin where the majority of the yardage came after the catch. Again, hes not throwing it deep like that. I think Harleys were mostly YAC as well.

3. The Qb comparison is worthless and also misleading. For one, it only shows passing TDs and not total. It doesnt show Sacks (admittedly this isnt all Jarrens fault), and every one of those QBs has faced stiffer competition than Jarren has so far. Even then, Jarrens thrown for less yards and TDs (and most importantly, won less). Every other Qb is over 20 % on the deep ball except Tua.

Lastly, theres not a Qb on that list who youd take Jarren over to play with THIS Miami squad RIGHT NOW. That's the real reason that Qb comparison list is ultimately worthless window dressing.

4. I never claimed or insinuated Jarren was bad. He just hasn't been good either outside of the UF game imo (which we shouldve won).
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1. Enos just came from coaching Tua(who doesn’t throw deep often). I’m pretty sure he see what helps a young qb like it helped Tua and tried to do similar things with Jarren. It also helps that Tua’s receivers are more dynamic after the catch than Miami’s receivers appear to be right now. We need improvment there

2.I never Mentioned anything about the deep ball vs central Michigan. Dallas catch and run doesn’t have Anything to do with a throw that traveled at least 10-20 yards because it was at the line of scrimmage.


3. and no not everyone of those qbs have faced stiffer defenses especially not Tua and hurts. Ehlinger had LSU and Herbert with auburn but have played no other tough defenses after that and none of those listed had freshman tackles blocking for them. You are legitimately comparing a first time starter productivity in an entirely new offensive system against MULTI year starters in some of the best offenses, I cant Help you with that one as your expectations are unrealistic on that note.
 
supercane954 said:
I’m kind of leaning towards Jarren being a Game manager who won’t make alot mistake but leave so much points on the field!
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Just like Brad Kaaya, 4 games in so there is still time for him to change like Aaron Rogers did at Cal (someone on here said that not me) so we’ll see.
 
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He played on A Crappy High School team. The kid is learning each and every game. He's Not A Gunslinger and he's not Lamar Jackson that's going to scramble the second a play breaks down or feels pressure in the pocket. But what Jarren does, is steps up in the Pocket with his eyes downfield and looks to extend the play that way or he scrambles outside the pocket again with his eyes downfield and looks to Pass first and if a WR isn't open he'll scramble.

Bottom line is he's Played 4 FVckin Games and give him a Chance before Making Stupid Comments...


supersaiyanshel said:
Leaning this way as well.

Had a crappy W-L record in High School and never won big there.

He's average. Like that point guard who never turns the ball over, and knows all the plays, but doesnt have the ability to take over a game like a Steph or Russell or Dame.
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I'd be the second to admit - Jarren being the first - that he's got things to improve on. He's 4 games in as a RSFR in a new system. His completion % (73) is **** near 20 points higher than any QB last year. With zero, zilch, nada picks. And he's been running for his life more times than not. **** near gets his head taken off a couple of times and gets right up and calls the next play.

I believe he's only going to get better with time - and some help from the OL.
 
sitzee said:
He played on A Crappy High School team. The kid is learning each and every game. He's Not A Gunslinger and he's not Lamar Jackson that's going to scramble the second a play breaks down or feels pressure in the pocket. But what Jarren does, is steps up in the Pocket with his eyes downfield and looks to extend the play that way or he scrambles outside the pocket again with his eyes downfield and looks to Pass first and if a WR isn't open he'll scramble.

Bottom line is he's Played 4 FVckin Games and give him a Chance before Making Stupid Comments...
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We'll see, but so far, hes played exactly as predicted by many (myself included) in the spring. A gun shy passer who wont win or lose you a game. If he had transferred, he wouldve landed at GT or somewhere at that level.

I'll stand by my comments and if proven wrong I'll happily and proudly admit it.

But he ain't the guy. Preciate the response.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
We'll see, but so far, hes played exactly as predicted by many (myself included) in the spring. A gun shy passer who wont win or lose you a game. If he had transferred, he wouldve landed at GT or somewhere at that level.

I'll stand by my comments and if proven wrong I'll happily and proudly admit it.

But he ain't the guy. Preciate the response.
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Ain’t the guy based on this limited sample size? Wow..
 
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brock said:
Ain’t the guy based on this limited sample size? Wow..
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Yep. Just like when Malik was taking snaps many us predicted early on that he wasnt the guy either.

There's some things you see off rip that tell you alot about a Qb. Are they always correct? Of course not.

But I dont see it with Jarren. He is instinctively reticent and has no pocket presence.
 
Game manager QB is a winning formula with a good defense and supporting cast. Especially against joke schedules.

You can't coach a risk-averse player to be more aggressive. This is who Jarren is. There will be missed opportunities but QB will not be the position that holds the team back.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Yep. Just like when Malik was taking snaps many us predicted early on that he wasnt the guy either.

There's some things you see off rip that tell you alot about a Qb. Are they always correct? Of course not.

But I dont see it with Jarren. He is instinctively reticent and has no pocket presence.
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Whenever things is sh*tty around him mostly importantly the oline and redzone playcalling it’s literally impossible to have such a hard stance like that. You ain’t just jumping 1 gun but several there with that take imo. I respect Your opinion though but come on man
 
brock said:
Whenever things is sh*tty around him mostly importantly the oline and redzone playcalling it’s literally impossible to have such a hard stance like that. You ain’t just jumping 1 gun but several there with that take imo. I respect Your opinion though but come on man
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You know it's all love my bro.

Like I said, we will see, and I pray I'm wrong. Cliche as it sounds, next few games will be very telling.
 
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