It's all about the InfrastrUcture: we've got another once in a decade chance

Alabama didn't have anything like that until Saban got there. They were a wasteland of failed coaches under the same people in their AD. Its Saban's vision that runs every single detail of their football program. Its up to the AD to make sure that the funds and support are there to meet his demands. There's NO system at Alabama except Nick's system.
Nick Saban is a unicorn. Unless the conversation is “let’s go steal Nick Saban from Alabama”, this point is irrelevant. You’ll also notice I didn’t mention Baga in that light. Still, Saban is and built the machine there. He can change coaches every year, the product remains elite. The point is unchanged.
 
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none of those schools have been ranked in the top 10 year after year "regardless of who the coach is"

Richt couldn't sniff the top 10 his last years at UGA and then Kirby showed up with Nick's program playbook and look where they are now.

Was it Urban or Ohio St's "organization" that brought them their last Natty?

I'm not arguing that a structurally sound athletic department shouldn't be a goal, its just that having one does not automatically translate into a successful football program that wins a lot of games. Michigan and Penn St have just as solid ADs as Ohio St but they can't catch the buckeyes because they keep losing the coaching hire battle.

Who is leading the football program as HC is more important at the end of the day.

You have to get BOTH right
Well, saying "in top 10" wasn't meant to be numerically accurate, just to make the point that they usually start the season in a good spot in the ranking. It's like every year, the highly ranked schools are in "the usual suspects" list.

If you want to use that to dispute my point that those universities all have strong athletic foundation then go ahead.. The fact remains they have been ahead of many universities, like UM just based on the fact they have strong athletic departments alone. And that's my point. To have a good coach is a by-product of that.

Again, I don't need to be an "Alabama". I'm happy to be like UGA, OSU, Oklahoma or even LSU now considering how bad we have been in the last 20 years.
 
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I agree.

And it's a strong argument for hiring an NFL guy to be the AD sitting on top of the food chain. NFL teams have the organizational structure you're looking for. No need to re-invent the wheel. Just go get somebody who's experienced and proven in managing a professional football organization, and get him the resources to do what needs to be done.
 
You need to hire somebody - AD and Coach - that know what to invest in from an infrastructure perspective.

There needs to be a major investment into the program...a nice coach with a fat pay day will only go so far.
 
I could not agree with you more. Unfortunately, I’ve been told it may be linked or done concurrently, and that is my concern. I wanted to lay out as many reasons as I could (without making this an absolute novel) as to why I think the coach is secondary to systemic changes, but I’m also told some coaches may affect that more than others. If that’s the case, it should get significant weight.
@LuCane, so you're telling me the coach who gets hired has weight to also see/ pick the AD? Trying to figure this out brother, thank you.
 
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Nah it all comes down to recruiting and x's and Os and coaches to properly teach them. For sure there have to be competent football administrators to hire the head coach. That is where we truly failed . We didn't have a massive infrastrutcure when we won 58 straight home games
 
We really make this **** too hard sometimes.

If the school truly wants to invest and do what’s needed they will go get an AD who knows what’s up ie. Jurich.

It’s really not that complicated. Same goes for hiring coaches.

If the school really wants to invest and be great we will be. We need to spend the ****** money to make it.
 
I agree with all this but want to add something. I knkw some people are still butthurt over the guy leaving but when you mention the past and talent evaluation only Jimmy may have been better than Butch Davis and his method of it I'd something from the past we can definitely use now. Again, some will get their panties in a bunch but with names like Morgan, Reed, Taylor, Portis, Johnson, McGahee, McKinney, Moss Wayne, Rolle and many others, NOBODY in their right mind can doubt his prowess in identifying talent.
 
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Wasn’t there word Mas was going to be involved for just this reason?
 
We can extend this thread into what infrastructure actually is and bring in @Ethnicsands in since he's talked about this deeply for years. Process matters, man.
CFB is a business today.

All businesses are increasingly complex to run. Data and IT make it easier for your competition to improve themselves and assess and plan for you. If you don't follow suit, you're going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.

There are probably a few ways to organize a program structurally, but the principles shouldn't really vary. First, map out your outputs, then your processes and systems required to generate them. Assess your capabilities. Identify resource and capability gaps.

Outputs: wins, obviously. But how?
- Culture: there's a lot more understood about this than there was a generation ago - a good leader has to understand culture and how to build and maintain it and what threatens it
- Talent identification, evaluations, acquisition and retention (leverages data, systems and processes)
- Talent development: S&C, nutrition, skill development, football IQ and experience development (leverages data, systems and processes)
- Roster management: planning and anticipating needs, considering all sources of talent (not just HS recruiting), retaining kids you want to retain
- Coaching: staff (and support team) assembly, cohesion, planning, schemes, practices, player-personnel decisions, game plans, play calling (all impacted by data, systems, processes)
- Analytics: QA, film breakdown of opponents, of your own kids and practices, of recruits (all about data, systems and processes)

Beyond and in support of the above, the program needs IT capabilities -- systems and skilled people to operate them. It also has to do branding/marketing and PR, community relations, alumni relations, medical support, academic support, development (donations), staff management (HR), compliance, scheduling, logistics and finance (FP&A at a minimum). It has to host official visits, research character and eligibility on prospects, Do this stuff poorly and you waste time and effort or lose effectiveness. So not exciting but impactful to get it right, or at least not wrong. And I don't care how much money a program has. It's easy to spend it poorly. Just look at governments around the world.

And all these functions need to be managed. They're overseen by people. They need direction and leadership and follow-up. Asking a coach to also oversee all this makes no sense. NFL teams have front officers, player personnel departments, support organizations, etc. The coach coaches. He's not the owner or President or GM. College coaches are generally less talented than NFL head coaches, and they have bigger teams, greater turnover of talent, less experienced players and less patient fans in many instances.

A good corporation builds redundancy into its planning. It has a talent development plan and a succession plan and a break glass in case of emergency plan. There's really no excuse for an institution to view a major CFB program differently. The HC doesn't own the program or its assets. He's a CEO, but the infrastructure and systems belong to the company, not him. He runs them, and in some cases is a client. In this case, the company is really the AD, which owns the program. It has a stake in all these decisions and processes. It needs to understand them so it can carry on if a coach departs.

Having good infrastructure doesn't ensure success. A bad coach or bad evals or bad luck can lead to losses. Being prepared doesn't guarantee success, but it's always table stakes for success. Not being prepared may not guarantee failure, either -- but it sure increases the chances of it.

None of this is particularly hard, or expensive. Compared to the cost of buy-outs and new coaches, you could massively upgrade the capabilities of the program in a lasting way for probably a few million dollars a year. You'd spend it on IT systems, data and analytics capabilities, and a couple good managers to clear the deck for the coaches to focus on their highest and best uses, which is coaching, not supervising back office functions.
 
Heres my take: We already have an agreement with an AD. We just cant make it official yet because he is still hired at another program.
 
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CFB is a business today.

All businesses are increasingly complex to run. Data and IT make it easier for your competition to improve themselves and assess and plan for you. If you don't follow suit, you're going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.

There are probably a few ways to organize a program structurally, but the principles shouldn't really vary. First, map out your outputs, then your processes and systems required to generate them. Assess your capabilities. Identify resource and capability gaps.

Outputs: wins, obviously. But how?
- Culture: there's a lot more understood about this than there was a generation ago - a good leader has to understand culture and how to build and maintain it and what threatens it
- Talent identification, evaluations, acquisition and retention (leverages data, systems and processes)
- Talent development: S&C, nutrition, skill development, football IQ and experience development (leverages data, systems and processes)
- Roster management: planning and anticipating needs, considering all sources of talent (not just HS recruiting), retaining kids you want to retain
- Coaching: staff (and support team) assembly, cohesion, planning, schemes, practices, player-personnel decisions, game plans, play calling (all impacted by data, systems, processes)
- Analytics: QA, film breakdown of opponents, of your own kids and practices, of recruits (all about data, systems and processes)

Beyond and in support of the above, the program needs IT capabilities -- systems and skilled people to operate them. It also has to do branding/marketing and PR, community relations, alumni relations, medical support, academic support, development (donations), staff management (HR), compliance, scheduling, logistics and finance (FP&A at a minimum). It has to host official visits, research character and eligibility on prospects, Do this stuff poorly and you waste time and effort or lose effectiveness. So not exciting but impactful to get it right, or at least not wrong. And I don't care how much money a program has. It's easy to spend it poorly. Just look at governments around the world.

And all these functions need to be managed. They're overseen by people. They need direction and leadership and follow-up. Asking a coach to also oversee all this makes no sense. NFL teams have front officers, player personnel departments, support organizations, etc. The coach coaches. He's not the owner or President or GM. College coaches are generally less talented than NFL head coaches, and they have bigger teams, greater turnover of talent, less experienced players and less patient fans in many instances.

A good corporation builds redundancy into its planning. It has a talent development plan and a succession plan and a break glass in case of emergency plan. There's really no excuse for an institution to view a major CFB program differently. The HC doesn't own the program or its assets. He's a CEO, but the infrastructure and systems belong to the company, not him. He runs them, and in some cases is a client. In this case, the company is really the AD, which owns the program. It has a stake in all these decisions and processes. It needs to understand them so it can carry on if a coach departs.

Having good infrastructure doesn't ensure success. A bad coach or bad evals or bad luck can lead to losses. Being prepared doesn't guarantee success, but it's always table stakes for success. Not being prepared may not guarantee failure, either -- but it sure increases the chances of it.

None of this is particularly hard, or expensive. Compared to the cost of buy-outs and new coaches, you could massively upgrade the capabilities of the program in a lasting way for probably a few million dollars a year. You'd spend it on IT systems, data and analytics capabilities, and a couple good managers to clear the deck for the coaches to focus on their highest and best uses, which is coaching, not supervising back office functions.
This is an excellent post OP detailing the complexities of running a successful CFB program. Many seem to have blinders on only focusing on what they see on the field on game days. When in essence, what is seen on game day is a culmination of a lot of moving parts and when managed properly, produces great results (wins).
 
CFB is a business today.

All businesses are increasingly complex to run. Data and IT make it easier for your competition to improve themselves and assess and plan for you. If you don't follow suit, you're going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.

There are probably a few ways to organize a program structurally, but the principles shouldn't really vary. First, map out your outputs, then your processes and systems required to generate them. Assess your capabilities. Identify resource and capability gaps.

Outputs: wins, obviously. But how?
- Culture: there's a lot more understood about this than there was a generation ago - a good leader has to understand culture and how to build and maintain it and what threatens it
- Talent identification, evaluations, acquisition and retention (leverages data, systems and processes)
- Talent development: S&C, nutrition, skill development, football IQ and experience development (leverages data, systems and processes)
- Roster management: planning and anticipating needs, considering all sources of talent (not just HS recruiting), retaining kids you want to retain
- Coaching: staff (and support team) assembly, cohesion, planning, schemes, practices, player-personnel decisions, game plans, play calling (all impacted by data, systems, processes)
- Analytics: QA, film breakdown of opponents, of your own kids and practices, of recruits (all about data, systems and processes)

Beyond and in support of the above, the program needs IT capabilities -- systems and skilled people to operate them. It also has to do branding/marketing and PR, community relations, alumni relations, medical support, academic support, development (donations), staff management (HR), compliance, scheduling, logistics and finance (FP&A at a minimum). It has to host official visits, research character and eligibility on prospects, Do this stuff poorly and you waste time and effort or lose effectiveness. So not exciting but impactful to get it right, or at least not wrong. And I don't care how much money a program has. It's easy to spend it poorly. Just look at governments around the world.

And all these functions need to be managed. They're overseen by people. They need direction and leadership and follow-up. Asking a coach to also oversee all this makes no sense. NFL teams have front officers, player personnel departments, support organizations, etc. The coach coaches. He's not the owner or President or GM. College coaches are generally less talented than NFL head coaches, and they have bigger teams, greater turnover of talent, less experienced players and less patient fans in many instances.

A good corporation builds redundancy into its planning. It has a talent development plan and a succession plan and a break glass in case of emergency plan. There's really no excuse for an institution to view a major CFB program differently. The HC doesn't own the program or its assets. He's a CEO, but the infrastructure and systems belong to the company, not him. He runs them, and in some cases is a client. In this case, the company is really the AD, which owns the program. It has a stake in all these decisions and processes. It needs to understand them so it can carry on if a coach departs.

Having good infrastructure doesn't ensure success. A bad coach or bad evals or bad luck can lead to losses. Being prepared doesn't guarantee success, but it's always table stakes for success. Not being prepared may not guarantee failure, either -- but it sure increases the chances of it.

None of this is particularly hard, or expensive. Compared to the cost of buy-outs and new coaches, you could massively upgrade the capabilities of the program in a lasting way for probably a few million dollars a year. You'd spend it on IT systems, data and analytics capabilities, and a couple good managers to clear the deck for the coaches to focus on their highest and best uses, which is coaching, not supervising back office functions.
This is an excellent post OP detailing the complexities of running a successful CFB program. Many seem to have blinders on only focusing on what they see on the field on game days. When in essence, what is seen on game day is a culmination of a lot of moving parts and when managed properly, produces great results (wins).
 
I have seen many posts and articles saying how Miami can't match Oregon's recruiting budget. @Liberty City El talks about budget a lot. I have been curious about this, and this seems like as good a thread as any to ask.

What goes into a recruiting budget?

I've seen that Oregon's assistant coaches get private planes. Does that matter in Miami, when most of the talent is local, and there is a major airport with direct routes to most cities?

Similarly, paying for recruits to come on officials. If we recruit the backyard, do we need to spend as much as Oregon does to get kids to come see the facilities in Eugene?

Obviously, support staff identifying targets would be a component.

What else does a team like UGA spend $15M/year on?
 
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I have seen many posts and articles saying how Miami can't match Oregon's recruiting budget. @Liberty City El talks about budget a lot. I have been curious about this, and this seems like as good a thread as any to ask.

What goes into a recruiting budget?

I've seen that Oregon's assistant coaches get private planes. Does that matter in Miami, when most of the talent is local, and there is a major airport with direct routes to most cities?

Similarly, paying for recruits to come on officials. If we recruit the backyard, do we need to spend as much as Oregon does to get kids to come see the facilities in Eugene?

Obviously, support staff identifying targets would be a component.

What else does a team like UGA spend $15M/year on?

Literally everything.

Coach travel
Family travel
Lodging
Food
Analysts
Recruiting services
Support staff
Recruiting events

It's a literal village at these schools. Dozens of staffers helping out with literally everything. Coaches flying private anywhere they need to. Basically a staffer assigned to an individual recruit. Fancy hotels, meals, recruiting events. Like our Paradise Camp? They do that but on steroids. There's just a LOT of money allocated to every and any single thing you can think of when it comes to recruiting. It's because the coaches of these schools realize that recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. They don't spend $15M a year on coaching clinics. They spend it on getting the best players to their schools. It's similar to Alabama and the amount of analysts they have...it's the same way in the recruiting department. Just way more people doing way more things and spending way more money to ensure that every single thing is completely taken care of.
 
I think the biggest thing left out of the upcoming coaching debate is "does any candidate impact fundamental infrastructure changes."

What do I mean by infrastructure? It's almost another post altogether, but it includes all aspects of administration starting with a true leader at AD and whoever he or she hire as support. This means medical/training staff, a real system of player evaluation (I'm in talent development and can tell you this is wildly overlooked in our AD), investment in talented admin *professionals* to surround whoever is the coach. Infrastructure is a system that will support a coach and realistically outlast any specific coach.

This post is about which coach comes with these more fundamental changes, as the reality is each candidate comes with different warts. That's what happens with coaches who've gone to war already.

I 100% have concerns about Mario's history on offense, the gameday stuff, and the situation with reliance on coordinators. I 100% have concerns with Lane's ability to build a program/foundation and CEO/lead his way to a solid evaluation and selection of coordinators and player talent. I 100% have concerns about Stoops (and I like him!). I 100% have concerns about Aranda's ability to build a program down here (and I really like the dude!). I have 1000% concerns with doing any other experiment with a coordinator or someone from a program with different current and future problems.

But, our question is luckily a simpler business question: is the cost of any coach's risk less than the benefit of what comes with ________ (insert coach's name)? Who has the best cost-benefit for our current and future problems in the current competitive landscape of college football?

That's why we need someone leading these decisions right now who actually knows business and strategy. That's why Blake needed to be let go immediately, if not sooner. That's why anyone who entrusted Blake to make near-unilateral decisions or at least massively influence full-on leadership decisions needs to step aside for this one.

Personally, I despise how we almost always go back to "how things were when we won." Mainly, because the environment changes and therefore problems are not the same. If we're going to look back at any real past successes that match the current problem, then that conversation needs to have the word "Jankovich" in it and how he surrounded himself with really great Associate ADs (ask around, these were great people!) and true leaders (unafraid to hire alpha coaches).

Bottom line? If any of our specific candidates cause a monumental shift in our [entire] program's infrastructure, if that person is the catalyst for that commitment, then you have to mark extra pluses on that column. I'm not sitting in Rudy's or Joe Echevarria's office to have the details of what candidate does that more, so I can't really say much about the details of what boosters will contribute more or less to systemic changes. Maybe it's Mario because of his leverage? Maybe it's Lane or Freeze or Aranda because they have holes in their leadership resume and need this type of system of support?

I really don't know (and don't care) because I only care that we take this opportunity to build a system.

I'll repeat: what ails this program is at its root!
Please stop looking at past, external successes (or failures) for what may solve current and future problems. We have an infrastructure problem that permeates everything from how the program is run to how players are evaluated for recruitment to how coaches and players are evaluated for on-field success. Is this not obvious to everyone who's watched us crash our program into the rocks for 20 years?

For once, let's make this decision based on foundational reasons rather than the bizarre external reasons (player preference for Coker, Randy's perceived local advantage, Golden's "organizational pillars," Richt's "polished" history, Diaz's apparent proximity to the Hecht office) we've used for the last 5 hires. Someone, anyone, make a real business decision here. Please. I don't care who the **** is coach so long as our infrastructure is weak and fake.
I would hope the new boosters who are funding these changes would demand it, no? If not, then they aren't very good businessmen themselves or they are getting something in return, and the new hires will likely be rinse, repeat of the last 20 years after the honeymoon period ends.
 
Literally everything.

Coach travel
Family travel
Lodging
Food
Analysts
Recruiting services
Support staff
Recruiting events

It's a literal village at these schools. Dozens of staffers helping out with literally everything. Coaches flying private anywhere they need to. Basically a staffer assigned to an individual recruit. Fancy hotels, meals, recruiting events. Like our Paradise Camp? They do that but on steroids. There's just a LOT of money allocated to every and any single thing you can think of when it comes to recruiting. It's because the coaches of these schools realize that recruiting is the lifeblood of a program. They don't spend $15M a year on coaching clinics. They spend it on getting the best players to their schools. It's similar to Alabama and the amount of analysts they have...it's the same way in the recruiting department. Just way more people doing way more things and spending way more money to ensure that every single thing is completely taken care of.
Again, if we are recruiting primarily S Fla, don't we significantly cut our costs?

I realize there still has to be some travel/lodging/etc, but I would think our costs are much lower. Like, is us spending $10M the equivalent of Oregon spending $15M?
 
Anyone who doesn't read this post nodding their head and saying "exactly man", and "****** a right", needs to keep reading this over and over and over and over again until it sinks into their thick neanderthal ******* skull.

I'm so ******* sick and tired of people thinking that "if only we had this coach or that coach..."

Our problem goes WAY ******* beyond coaching. We've got one shot at this, and if it's not done right, I'm not sure this program can ever truly recover. We need to clean house and bring in the best operators and visionaries at every level of the Athletic Department. We need to build a system. That's how Ohio State, and Alabama, etc work. There's a reason some programs can go from coach to coach to coach and just keep on rolling. While others do the same and suck no matter what. It's the system, the mentality, the organizational philosophy.

No cutting corners this time. Get it right.
All of this, and the fact that they let Blake go first gives me a glimmer of hope. The spotlight on athletics gives me hope as well because I feel there is a lot of pressure to bring in an experienced AD and then a GM of football operations.
 
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