Is This Program At The Caliber We Think It Is?

[cane305]

OP and those like him are encouraging the people who run the program at Miami to be mediocre.

these are the worst kinds of people.

it's not that hard. look around the college football landscape. there are no truly "dominant" teams.

we have the best talent base in the nation and one of the easiest schedules to the playoffs.

Get a system to fit your players not the other way around. dominate the ACC and make noise in the playoffs. that's all the next coach has to do and hopefully a savvy guy can see that and deal with the bull**** our admins pile on him.

I expect ACC title game appearance from our next coach's first season. if not, he's on the hot seat.

 

[MedleyCane]

We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?

I think some of our fans are guilty of over-valuing our program, thinking it is more attractive to the coaching community than it really is.
But you can say this about most fan bases, including the truly elite programs.

Look at Tennessee before they hired Butch Jones, alot of their fans were expecting a "bigger" name and thought they had to settle for Jones
when you had all of these other "big names" in college and NFL.

Texas is another example....they really thought they had a shot at Nick Saban and look at the names that were tossed around
before ufaagg hired Muschamp and their current coach.

It is the nature of the college fb fans.

The UM is a good gig....it has some pluses like tradition and excellent recruiting backyard and some minuses such
as fan support, NFL stadium, poor support from the administration......but all programs have their pluses and
minuses....ALL OF THEM!
There are good coaches out there who would excel at UM quickly, but it won't necessarily be a "big name" or (hate this
word) "splash" hire.

 

[UMAlum21]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

 

[numbers]

The football program's success has always seemingly come in spite of the best efforts of the University President and BOT. It all comes down to the Athletic Director, IMO. Going back to Jankovich, Miami's AD's have gotten progressively weaker. Blake James is a total puppet. Does anyone really believe he can go in to the President's office or get in front of the BOT and get more resources allocated to football? Or insist on a level playing field with admissions relative to other top football schools? A strong AD that actually has some balls and autonomy may make the head coach position more attractive.

Would Oklahoma State's coach leave there to come to Miami like Johnson did? Probably not. Right now, with the people we have in charge, it's built for a guy that wants a shot at redemption (like Butch) or an up and comer that will use it as a stepping stone to get the big bucks, be it in the NFL or at a big state school. It could be so much more, but it takes a collective effort to want to be elite. Those pieces do not appear to be in place.

 

[MedleyCane]

The football program's success has always seemingly come in spite of the best efforts of the University President and BOT. It all comes down to the Athletic Director, IMO. Going back to Jankovich, Miami's AD's have gotten progressively weaker. Blake James is a total puppet. Does anyone really believe he can go in to the President's office or get in front of the BOT and get more resources allocated to football? Or insist on a level playing field with admissions relative to other top football schools? A strong AD that actually has some balls and autonomy may make the head coach position more attractive.

Athletic Directors don't write the checks.
People are way too focused on Golden and Blake, but the folks who make decisions and write checks are BOT.
We have folks spending too much stupid time bannering Golden, they should be going after the BOT.

 

[NVA CANE]

OP and those like him are encouraging the people who run the program at Miami to be mediocre.

these are the worst kinds of people.

it's not that hard. look around the college football landscape. there are no truly "dominant" teams.

we have the best talent base in the nation and one of the easiest schedules to the playoffs.

Get a system to fit your players not the other way around. dominate the ACC and make noise in the playoffs. that's all the next coach has to do and hopefully a savvy guy can see that and deal with the bull**** our admins pile on him.

I expect ACC title game appearance from our next coach's first season. if not, he's on the hot seat.

If the school uses threads like this to make a ****** hire then we are screwed any way. Nice straw man though

 

[WEARETHEU]

Your so right thats exactly what i have been saying the Administration know they must get it right this time its very important i believe they will get it right this time.

 

[Jonnyblaze]

We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?

You're an idiot.

If you want great coaches, PAY THEM. They will come, but they aren't gonna take a pay cut just for the pleasure of coaching at the U.

Admin, BOT, it's entirely in their hands. We can have any coach we want, for the right price.

This.

 

[NVA CANE]

We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?

You're an idiot.

If you want great coaches, PAY THEM. They will come, but they aren't gonna take a pay cut just for the pleasure of coaching at the U.

Admin, BOT, it's entirely in their hands. We can have any coach we want, for the right price.

This.

Money is a factor for a coaches decision but it's not the only one. Would be nice though for the admins to pay more for salaries, would be a great start

 

[Marcelo2988]

All you hear from the media is that UM will have the top opening available for head coaches after the season.

They say that for a reason. What could be accomplished at UM can only be accomplished at 5-7 programs across the country maybe.

Become a dynasty.

UM offers an elite opportunity because of where we're located.

 

[kkinder94]

Have never bought into this being an elite program. For a short time we were like Boise State is now in football, or UNLV in basketball: A chitty bad midmajor program that just stumbled on a few up and coming coaches. Before that, and since 2001, we have gone back to being a chitty midmajor again....and it looks like that's really what we truly are. Coaching here is known as one of the worst jobs in CFB, despite our past brief encounter with glory. Nobody decent is coming here except Butch.

Totally disagree. One, Boise never got to the point where they won national championships on a regular basis or did it a decade apart. Two, UNLV had success with one coach - the Shark. We had it with five.

We are close to being back. We now have solid facilities - not SEC type but close. We still have a plethora of talent in our backyard and a great university for the students. We would have been title contenders last year if we had a coaching staff that could put together a game plan and make adjustments. If we had Dave Cutliffe with the athletes from last year, we would have easily won the ACC.

 

[Hurracanes]

An elite program isn't cheap. Doesn't lease an NFL stadium. Doesn't wear stupid uniforms. Doesn't wait till year 5 to terminate a ****** coach.

 

[DiegoCane]

I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.

That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us

He went 0-14 against MAC teams with winning records despite landing the top recruiting class in the conference 4 out of 5 seasons.

He was a bad coach in the MAC. He grossly underachieved there just as he has done at UM.

Look at some of the names being thrown around.... Tom Herman has only been a coach for 4 games. We haven't seen him recruit, he's never won a division, never won a bowl game, never accomplished **** except win 4 games with the previous staff's players.

Justin Fuente had a nice season last year and, if he wins against Old Missisippi next week, will be more interesting. Still has a losing record to Middling Tennessee State and Tennessee Valley... two local vocational schools in Tennessee or some ****. I mean, if you look at the guy's record, he has some horrible losses on there.

Meanwhile, Butch is out there. Kiffin is out there. Dave Wannstedt is out there. Chud, Chuck Pagano, Chip Kelly.... all could be potentially out there.

You know... guys who deep-pocketed NFL teams would actually hire. Do you think any NFL team would give Tom Herman the time of day? He's a quarterbacks coach at best in the NFL.

Hilarious.

Imagine how ****ed you would have been when Miami hired Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson.

Or if you were Gators fan when they hired Meyer, he only coached at Bowling Green and Utah! Or Baylor when they hired Briles. Or Oregon when they hired Kelly. Or TCU when they hired Patterson. Or Ohio St when they hired Tressel.

 

[DiegoCane]

We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?

Its a big job for the right guy, if that makes sense. The right guy knows he can use the talent available and win championships. But its not for everyone because of the empty stadium, lower then average facilities, lack of SEC money.

 

[Klamalama]

BOT meeting discussing Miami football:

 

[Ssoto0055]

i wouldnt want to coach here with the pressure, u need butch a no excuse baws n gon get his players. no last minute decommits

Major programs are like that. You don't think Charlie Strong is already feeling the heat? If Urban Meyer started losing they'd demand his head on a silver platter. Gator and Wolverine fans were holding protests on campus demanding firings. If you don't like pressure go to Indiana or Kansas where football is just a way to pass the time till basketball starts.

 

[supacane]

We all throw coaches names around to replace golden because we believe this program is still one of the top programs in the country. But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves?

Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best.

The question is, are we deluding ourselves to a certain degree as to the attractiveness of this program to other coaches?

Most NFL players drafted since suckage. 7 last year. Keep your practice bubble and nice stadium filled with inbreds. Give, the players and the right coach and we build the greatest teams of all time. Period

 

[UMFarArcher]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

 

[Heyman Goldberg]

i wouldnt want to coach here with the pressure, u need butch a no excuse baws n gon get his players. no last minute decommits

I would.....Because I understand the Miami/SFla mindset and I would not try to change it. I would let the players be themselves with a Clear understanding: Be Accountable to the Team (don't do anything that basically can't be swept under the rug) and Dominate Everything Breathing.

That was told to me and 10 other current CIS Posters in the Fall of 1988 @ GT.

 

[Cribby]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

Losing retards are cheap, hence the love