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Is Keyshawn Smith our best WR

305to954 said:
It comes down to this, do you think Lashlee/Likens pushed for a kid like Keyshawn to get majority of the snaps and that was shut down by Manny the BOTs or cooney (personally my fav among the conspiracies) ??..because that’s the argument being made by chise I think...and if that’s the case at the CFB you think a coach like Likens and Lashlee are going for that ****? Manny ain’t got the juice like that rn. Them cats would leave and get a another job rq
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I know coaches prefer older kids. I’ve seen his staff play favorites that way both years. I also know there was no spring and lost practices which gives more of an advantage to older kids. Lastly I know that manny is extremely close to the south ridge kids.

Manny has always played guys who have a better understanding of the defense over guys who are better players or better athletes but lack on awareness. Which I’ve defended at times and I’ve ripped at times. If the vet knows more but can’t physically do it there’s a point you have to put the younger more talented guy in and let him learn, make his mistakes. Either way you’re screwed because the older guy cant physically cut it.
 
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dukebeeasy305 said:
I agree normally but considering all the other negative factors.. such as playing all conference game and one tough G5 opponent no offseason to really prepare and mesh those new parts and no big time playmaker on the outside average was a great step in the right direction
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Right step? Yes, I agree.
 
305to954 said:
Top 3 pass catchers will be Harley, Mallory, Rambo..I feel pretty confident on that.

I think on the oline it’s pretty clear with the talk that they are tryna give rivers a crack at a job

at RB I think it’s gunna be a 3 headed situation UNLESS one of the youngins really show they *** this spring..my money would be on Rooster taking the biggest step. I think the game will really slow down for him..Cam is steady. Don all around Has special 3 dwn back potential, just some little nuances he needs to get better at I.E footwork
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Smith will get a ton of reps , that’s happening. I have no ceiling on him, nothing would surprise me. If you watch practices he snatches everyone’s eyes. The wr reps will definitely be more spread out with young guys this year.

Chaney will start with knighton getting second most reps ( snaps will be close). Ol I could see 1 or two Fr /soph taking over either early or mid season.
 
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Cribby said:
The ol is the key imo. There’s some depth and it’s sink or swim time for scaife , gaynor , Clark and Campbell. Rivers is coming.
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I agree on the importance of the guys up front. But I'm not as concerned I think the guys we have are older, mature, and talented enough to get it done. The next step is to move people in the run game.
 
The Franchise said:
You’re not paying the slightest bit of attention if you think that’s even remotely what I’m talking about.
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We are talking about WR rotation right? Your saying it’s manny’s call..you also said Keyshawn was better then Pope and Wiggins. So was Lashlee/manny/likens refusing to play the fresh due to seniority/favoritism? Or were Lashlee and likens wanting to play more guys but manny micro managed and told them not too??...or was it just bad judgement on all the coaches part and CIS knows more about the personnel then the coaches ?
 
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Cribby said:
I know coaches prefer older kids. I’ve seen his staff play favorites that way both years. I also know there was no spring and lost practices which gives more of an advantage to older kids. Lastly I know that manny is extremely close to the south ridge kids.

Manny has always played guys who have a better understanding of the defense over guys who are better players or better athletes but lack on awareness. Which I’ve defended at times and I’ve ripped at times. If the vet knows more but can’t physically do it there’s a point you have to put the younger , more talented guy in and let him learn, make his mistakes. Either way you’re screwed because the older guy cant physically cut it.
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I agree especially in college coaches tend to play older guys you have been in a particular system longer. over younger especially if it’s not clear cut. On defense with manny I don’t think that’s been as much the case tho. He’s played TF DEs started snaps. He started 3 TF LBs. I do think that was a clear cut case tho. We had the Rob knowels debates when Hall and Carter were fresh, now the tables have turned and this szn it’s gunna the 2 Williams kids getting that argument. The G15 classics. I also remember the why isn’t Pope playing more argument. Funny how that’s worked out.

bottomline for me is this, 2020 wasn’t a normal szn for TF to develop to contribute. Especially given how Covid hit that room mid szn. Given that, I’m not gunna jump to that conclusion. In a normal off szn and reg szn you are right.
 
Cribby said:
We were an average offense last year , people are defending Lashlee because they remember the year before. But to be fair Penos didn’t have king at qb, and an ol that was all a year older with a sr transfer. I’m still waiting for Lashlee to do something against a good opponent before I throw out elite or good. No need to crown somebody on average.
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This fanbase is all about crowning things that haven’t occurred.
 
305to954 said:
Yes. That happens during the week. The position coach gives his feedback on how his guys are doing for sure. And it’s up to that position coach on who he thinks is getting it done in all areas. He’s gunna relay that to manny/Lashlee...but ultimately on Gameday it’s on the position coach to handle those subs. It’s not a conspiracy.

like @Ethnicsands stated, if a HC is usurping his coordinators/PCs at every given decision especially given PT and rotation on gameday you will have a problem...As for ole goat Saban, dude has about 100 Assistants..multiple guys who were HCs at the next level running position groups. Why tf would he not delegate responsibility to those coaches?
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It’s not about ‘authority’ to me. It’s about decision-making. Someone has to decide who’s dinged up, needs a breather, isn’t focused. Make adjustments to whatever the plan was. Who’s winning a match-up, also. Or getting owned. The head coach cannot watch every player every play. And the head coach can’t process every substitution every play. So it’s a certainty that assistants have authority and discretion to make adjustments. Do head coaches have the right to over-rule them? Of course. But that’s uninteresting. Head coaches don’t have enough information to second guess every decision. That’s why it’s so important to be aligned with your assistants, so thry do wjat you want them to do, without having to debate every decision.

Again, QB is different. There are exceptions of course. But there are 100 ways to criticize manny without him having been responsible for every substitution brain fart. It’s his staff.
 
Cribby said:
Smith will get a ton of reps , that’s happening. I have no ceiling on him, nothing would surprise me. If you watch practices he snatches everyone’s eyes. The wr reps will definitely be more spread out with young guys this year.

Chaney will start with knighton getting second most reps ( snaps will be close). Ol I could see 1 or two Fr /soph taking over either early or mid season.
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Sheesh, Cam came back just to be 3rd team...
 
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Not even sure what the point of the substitution debate is.

Do assistant coaches make substitution decisions? Yes.

Do they check them all with the Hc? No.

Does the Hc have the right to overrule them? Yes.

Do head coaches exercise that right? Yes.

The only variable is how often, and what implications.

What matters is that good Hcs have assistants who are aligned, so that the wtf moments are minimized.

Also, manny not playing the game may well impact his reticence to make these decisions. Jimmy wouldn’t be so deferential. Leadership matters.
 
Cribby said:
Just my reps prediction that’s all lol
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I agree with you. I think Chaney starts and I think he's going to be the bell cow back that Lashlee wants for his offense.

It remains to be seen if Cam is going to put his ego aside for the betterment of the team. He will not be getting the same amount of snaps he received last year.

My prediction : Chaney rushes for 1200+ yards and 400+ receiving.
 
I'm expecting Chaney to step up too.

But it's a competition. I'm confident RB is a position where we'll play the best guy. Pass pro matters a lot too. As does receiving.

Cam is better than this fan-base thinks, IMO. He's not going to go away.

Really interested to see what Thad can do.

I think we'll see something of a hot hand approach this year at RB.
 
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