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Is clemson 2018 team the best team ever?

Ghostcane said:
Who The EFF cares????????? Voted?????? Are you kidding me???? Means nothing. That Nebraska team wasn't fit to shine the shoes of the 2001 Canes. Who on that team would've covered Shockey and Andre Johnson????? Nobody. That's who.
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I didn’t make the vote you jerk. I saw the segment on ESPN. They are the so called experts get mad at them.
 
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Ghostcane said:
But that's what tells you how great the players actually were. It's the only objective evidence there is. Anything else is just opinion and opinion is heavily influenced by what you've seen most recently. Like I said earlier. Wake me up when this Clemson team has a combined 46 Pro Bowls and 4 legit HOF candidates.
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All conference and all Americans maybe? And Sean Taylor as a freshman barely played so to act like they are better because a future all American and pro bowler was young and sat on the bench doesn’t make sense. It’s how good those players and team was that year. They don’t get the benefit of their entire future career imo
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
All conference and all Americans maybe? And Sean Taylor as a freshman barely played so to act like they are better because a future all American and pro bowler was young and sat on the bench doesn’t make sense. It’s how good those players and team was that year. They don’t get the benefit of their entire future career imo
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Well let's see..........of the 4 viable HOF candidates, Reed and Johnson were starters while Wilfork and Gore got plenty of burn that year. Three of the four DBs were first rounders (Reed, Rumph and Buchanon) and there were guys like Taylor, Antrel Rolle and Kelly Jennings providing the depth. Two of the three LBs (Vilma and Williams) were studs in the NFL and had Rocky McIntosh, another NFL stud providing the depth. The DL rotation had three NFL first rounders in the rotation (Wilfork, Joseph and McDougle) with future NFLers Andrew Williams, Matt Walters and Jamaal Green for good measure.

On Offense we had the RB 3 man rotation in the history of College Football with Portis, McGahee and Gore. No other team in history can ever come close to that and this Clemson or the Nebraska team in question can even touch that. On the OL, four of the five starters made it to the league (McKinnie, Bibla, Romberg and Gonzalez) with depth from guys who had long NFL careers like Vernon Carey, Chris Meyers and Rashad Butler. In the passing game, Andre Johnson and Jeremy Shockey were impossible match ups for any defense.

Finally you say that guys who "sat the bench" don't count. They do actually. Depth matters and guys like Taylor, Kellen Winslow and Antrel Rolle were BEASTS on Special Teams. Quality depth means quality Special Teams and that team had it big time.

Additionally that 46 collective Pro Bowls number is HUGE. I defy you to find another team that is even close to that.
 
Alien said:
Another old guy who thinks no one can be as good as his first love. Give me a **** break.
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STFU......Nebraskas 1983 team wouldve beaten Nebraskas 95 team...83 team is the most decorated team in NCAA History...Won every award...and would've Won the Bilitnikoff Award (Irving Fryar) but it wasn't an award then....Stop your stupidity....A ONE dimensional 95 Nebraska team aint beating 01 UM.....or 87 or 91 UM....
 
caneinorlando said:
STFU......Nebraskas 1983 team wouldve beaten Nebraskas 95 team...83 team is the most decorated team in NCAA History...Won every award...and would've Won the Bilitnikoff Award (Irving Fryar) but it wasn't an award then....Stop your stupidity....A ONE dimensional 95 Nebraska team aint beating 01 UM.....or 87 or 91 UM....
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I did not make the vote you donkey. I saw a ESPN segment a few years ago and they voted 95 Nebraska. I hate Nebraska
 
Alien said:
I did not make the vote you donkey. I saw a ESPN segment a few years ago and they voted 95 Nebraska. I hate Nebraska
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Yeah...because ESPN has always been good to UM....FOH....As if ESPN gives UM any credit ever...ESPN and Sports Illustrated can eat **** and DIAF for all I care....Cane Hating MFers since forever....
 
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Ghostcane said:
Well let's see..........of the 4 viable HOF candidates, Reed and Johnson were starters while Wilfork and Gore got plenty of burn that year. Three of the four DBs were first rounders (Reed, Rumph and Buchanon) and there were guys like Taylor, Antrel Rolle and Kelly Jennings providing the depth. Two of the three LBs (Vilma and Williams) were studs in the NFL and had Rocky McIntosh, another NFL stud providing the depth. The DL rotation had three NFL first rounders in the rotation (Wilfork, Joseph and McDougle) with future NFLers Andrew Williams, Matt Walters and Jamaal Green for good measure.

On Offense we had the RB 3 man rotation in the history of College Football with Portis, McGahee and Gore. No other team in history can ever come close to that and this Clemson or the Nebraska team in question can even touch that. On the OL, four of the five starters made it to the league (McKinnie, Bibla, Romberg and Gonzalez) with depth from guys who had long NFL careers like Vernon Carey, Chris Meyers and Rashad Butler. In the passing game, Andre Johnson and Jeremy Shockey were impossible match ups for any defense.

Finally you say that guys who "sat the bench" don't count. They do actually. Depth matters and guys like Taylor, Kellen Winslow and Antrel Rolle were BEASTS on Special Teams. Quality depth means quality Special Teams and that team had it big time.

Additionally that 46 collective Pro Bowls number is HUGE. I defy you to find another team that is even close to that.
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My whole point is that the best team is a slice in time, ie that year...01 Miami is definitely the team with the best nfl talent on one roster but that doesn’t equal best college team ever. That team with all those hall of famers barely beat bc and vt, which should tell you all that nfl talent didn’t matter as much as you say it does
 
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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
My whole point is that the best team is a slice in time, ie that year...01 Miami is definitely the team with the best nfl talent on one roster but that doesn’t equal best college team ever. That team with all those hall of famers barely beat bc and vt, which should tell you all that nfl talent didn’t matter as much as you say it does
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Agree to disagree. In my book, the team with the best NFL talent of all time trumps any other argument, particularly so given the superiority of that talent and verifiable achievements of those players. Any other argument is completely subjective and can only be discussed and debated but never proven.
 
Ghostcane said:
Agree to disagree. In my book, the team with the best NFL talent of all time trumps any other argument, particularly so given the superiority of that talent and verifiable achievements of those players. Any other argument is completely subjective and can only be discussed and debated but never proven.
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Cool, the it's 78 or whatever USC. Glad we could end the discussion.

On a serious note, it is hysterical how upset some of you guys get if anyone ever suggests anything is greater than the '01 team. It's pathetic really, almost like it's your identity and should they ever not be the GOAT then your entire existence is diminished somehow.

I attended four road games that year, culminating in the Rose. It was a fun run, but when there's another GOAT, I'm fine with that. That team could be beat anyone ever IMHO, but they weren't unbeatable thus discussions like this one. BC almost got us and VT was close as well. Call it coaching, but coaching is part of the discussion.
 
SayWhat said:
Cool, the it's 78 or whatever USC. Glad we could end the discussion.

On a serious note, it is hysterical how upset some of you guys get if anyone ever suggests anything is greater than the '01 team. It's pathetic really, almost like it's your identity and should they ever not be the GOAT then your entire existence is diminished somehow.

I attended four road games that year, culminating in the Rose. It was a fun run, but when there's another GOAT, I'm fine with that. That team could be beat anyone ever IMHO, but they weren't unbeatable thus discussions like this one. BC almost got us and VT was close as well. Call it coaching, but coaching is part of the discussion.
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This was what I was trying to say but all these other posters were crying like ****. 01 was great but other teams were great too.
 
SayWhat said:
Cool, the it's 78 or whatever USC. Glad we could end the discussion.

On a serious note, it is hysterical how upset some of you guys get if anyone ever suggests anything is greater than the '01 team. It's pathetic really, almost like it's your identity and should they ever not be the GOAT then your entire existence is diminished somehow.

I attended four road games that year, culminating in the Rose. It was a fun run, but when there's another GOAT, I'm fine with that. That team could be beat anyone ever IMHO, but they weren't unbeatable thus discussions like this one. BC almost got us and VT was close as well. Call it coaching, but coaching is part of the discussion.
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The USC teams from 1978 and 1979 would certainly be your best argument but slow your roll on the assumption that they had a better roster. They didn't. It was outstanding for sure. They had 3 HOF players in Marcus Allen, Anthony Munoz and Ronnie Lott. They also had a marked advantage in the OL on their roster. Pros all over the place. They had Charles White, Lynn Cain and Marcus Allen as their primary ball carriers. A lineup that ain't exactly McGahee, Gore and Portis. QB Paul McDonald was a JAG like Dorsey. At WR and TE, they didn't have squat. OK, they had a journeyman TE in Hoby Brenner and that's about it.

On Defense, Chip Banks was a decent DL who had a good but not great NFL career. Dennis Edwards was listed as a DL but played LB in the pros. He was good not great. Other than those two, there's not much. LB's are close with a slight advantage to the Canes. SC had guys like Riki Gray, Larry McGrew and Dennis Johnson. Good players but I'd give the nod to Vilma, DJ Williams and Rocky McIntosh. DBs were incredible on both teams. USC had Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Browner and Jeff Fisher. Was that group better than Reed, Taylor, Rolle, Buchanon and Rumph. It's a great argument. Edge to SC with 22 Pro Bowls vs 14.

So I guess we can't end the discussion. It's a tough one. SC was sooooooo good at the OL and DB spots. All time good. Canes have the advantage at RB, WR, TE, DL and LB. If one of these Alabama teams under Saban turn out to be better, I'll give it up for them and give them their due. That second paragraph of your post is a tad dramatic. We argue about this crap because it's fun to do, not because it fills some hole of emptiness. Arguing about this and that is just what sports fans do. If you're gonna state conjecture as fact however, that's your prerogative.
 
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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
My whole point is that the best team is a slice in time, ie that year...01 Miami is definitely the team with the best nfl talent on one roster but that doesn’t equal best college team ever. That team with all those hall of famers barely beat bc and vt, which should tell you all that nfl talent didn’t matter as much as you say it does
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lol. Boston college had an NFL offensive line. A 1st Rd draft pick and 2 pro bowlers. On top of that Miami had 5 turnovers and still won. Not many teams can turn the ball over that Many times and still win.

Miami was up 26-10 vs VT to start the 4th qtr dominating the game if you even watched it until Coker decided to take the gas of the pedal.

Did you watch the games? Dam Miami has some weird *** fans
 
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Ghost, I wasn't picking you out of the crowd with the latter part of my post. It is those who have popped into this thread and every prior one to simply say, STFU and you're crazy as if there is no discussion to be had.

I personally don't care about NFL draft picks and what they do there. I care about what they do in college, on a year by year basis. When talking about an all time great team, those riding the bench don't factor in, but who played that year contributing to that great team. Yes, the backups contribute every day but come game day, were the all-time greats teams to compete, it would come down to the starters and a handful of backups. Add in coaching, that's where the discussion is.

Perfect example, KD, didn't amount to much in the NFL, but is certainly in the discussion as our all-time greatest team starter at the position. Draft pick wise and pro stats, he's not even in the discussion.
 
SayWhat said:
Ghost, I wasn't picking you out of the crowd with the latter part of my post. It is those who have popped into this thread and every prior one to simply say, STFU and you're crazy as if there is no discussion to be had.

I personally don't care about NFL draft picks and what they do there. I care about what they do in college, on a year by year basis. When talking about an all time great team, those riding the bench don't factor in, but who played that year contributing to that great team. Yes, the backups contribute every day but come game day, were the all-time greats teams to compete, it would come down to the starters and a handful of backups. Add in coaching, that's where the discussion is.

Perfect example, KD, didn't amount to much in the NFL, but is certainly in the discussion as our all-time greatest team starter at the position. Draft pick wise and pro stats, he's not even in the discussion.
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All good Brother! This **** is just fun to me to argue about.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
All conference and all Americans maybe? And Sean Taylor as a freshman barely played so to act like they are better because a future all American and pro bowler was young and sat on the bench doesn’t make sense. It’s how good those players and team was that year. They don’t get the benefit of their entire future career imo
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Lets say reed moves on to the NFL year prior. ( had to add year prior cause this guy Polly come sback with some bs etc.)...taylor starts is the point.

I mean dam. When your back is a future all American it speaks to the depth of the team.

Ding ding..... hello?
 
Ghostcane said:
Agree to disagree. In my book, the team with the best NFL talent of all time trumps any other argument, particularly so given the superiority of that talent and verifiable achievements of those players. Any other argument is completely subjective and can only be discussed and debated but never proven.
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I’m fine with disagreeing but who’s the greatest college qb or player ever? With your rationale, youd have to take into account their nfl career to decide, which makes no sense. So Tom Brady would be the greatest college qb of all time or....
 
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