Interesting Saban stat on ESPN

[1jamaicancane]

I think the drug testing is what catches up with them in the NFL, by and large.

When this was first brought up I sort of brushed it off but I think there's enough evidence to definitely warrant a discussion. I mean, it's hard to ignore.

Makes you wonder.

Not saying you guys are wrong but I think its that when you have a coach like Saban and that staff the kids upside comes in college and then they never get better as more of a reason. Even looking at the 1 player who's a star that came from Bama (Julio Jones) he's a physical freak imo thats a step below Megatron so he couldnt fail in the pros unless he wanted to. Sabans one "problem" with guys succeeding in the Pros may just be that he develops them too well that they just stay the same at the next level

 

[cowboycane]

I think the drug testing is what catches up with them in the NFL, by and large.

When this was first brought up I sort of brushed it off but I think there's enough evidence to definitely warrant a discussion. I mean, it's hard to ignore.

Makes you wonder.

Not saying you guys are wrong but I think its that when you have a coach like Saban and that staff the kids upside comes in college and then they never get better as more of a reason. Even looking at the 1 player who's a star that came from Bama (Julio Jones) he's a physical freak imo thats a step below Megatron so he couldnt fail in the pros unless he wanted to. Sabans one "problem" with guys succeeding in the Pros may just be that he develops them too well that they just stay the same at the next level

I think that is flawed. We developed the **** out of Ed Reed and Sean Taylor and Clinton Portis and...well the list goes on and on, but the point is that they all KEPT GETTING BETTER once they hit the NFL.

I know this is pure conjecture, but those current Bama guys are so much bigger and yet just as fast as everyone they play, and they are in a protected conference. At the next level, everyone gets in the same weight rooms, gets the same supplements, and plays by the same rules...there are flaws but it creates essentially a level playing field. And that is where everyone catches the Alabama guys.

So even if our guys were on roids back in the day (and I'm not naive), they weren't relying on it for their advantage, like I think the Bama guys are...hence the difference in performance at the next level.

But that is just my $.02...

 

[Canesbball]

Lol @ everyone trying to say anything to discredit this stat. The point is, kids are rated as 5 stars for a reason. More often than not they pan out, especially when you have a coach like Saban that brings out the best in 99% of the kids that play for him.

He's an animal and probably the best that's ever done it at the college level.

That's why I never have any issue with kids from down here taking a strong look at Bama. They are the best program in America from top to bottom.

 

[1jamaicancane]

I think the drug testing is what catches up with them in the NFL, by and large.

When this was first brought up I sort of brushed it off but I think there's enough evidence to definitely warrant a discussion. I mean, it's hard to ignore.

Makes you wonder.

Not saying you guys are wrong but I think its that when you have a coach like Saban and that staff the kids upside comes in college and then they never get better as more of a reason. Even looking at the 1 player who's a star that came from Bama (Julio Jones) he's a physical freak imo thats a step below Megatron so he couldnt fail in the pros unless he wanted to. Sabans one "problem" with guys succeeding in the Pros may just be that he develops them too well that they just stay the same at the next level

I think that is flawed. We developed the **** out of Ed Reed and Sean Taylor and Clinton Portis and...well the list goes on and on, but the point is that they all KEPT GETTING BETTER once they hit the NFL.

I know this is pure conjecture, but those current Bama guys are so much bigger and yet just as fast as everyone they play, and they are in a protected conference. At the next level, everyone gets in the same weight rooms, gets the same supplements, and plays by the same rules...there are flaws but it creates essentially a level playing field. And that is where everyone catches the Alabama guys.

So even if our guys were on roids back in the day (and I'm not naive), they weren't relying on it for their advantage, like I think the Bama guys are...hence the difference in performance at the next level.

But that is just my $.02...

I think we developed our guys heavy no doubt but tbh did we have as great of a teacher as Saban? He's an ******* but man does he know wtf he's doing and he gets position coaches that are similar to him so tbh when some of these players go into the league the coaching gets worse. I saw desire, heart, attitude and amazing talents with many of the guys we had and I think some are just better then the Bama guys added to the fact that the coaching in the NFL got better as they went on. Thats my opinion though because I think the only ones that benefited by the roids big time were the linebackers

 

[SevenNSeven]

5* recruit + HGH + Deer Antlers = Profit.


Alabama math.

 

[RiDLer80]

5* recruit + HGH + Deer Antlers = Profit.


Alabama math.

I wanna make a Golden joke...but **** it.

 

[kendallcanes]

Somebody is drinking the kool aid. Throwing stats out without knowing what's really going on in the program (unless you have inside information or have been in the program?). Everything is good when you are winning! Right?

 

[Canesbball]

Somebody is drinking the kool aid. Throwing stats out without knowing what's really going on in the program (unless you have inside information or have been in the program?). Everything is good when you are winning! Right?

Or Bama is just that ******* good. Lol if you think they're dirty and no one on our team isn't.

 

[Bennubird]

Yep.

I think the drug testing is what catches up with them in the NFL, by and large.

 

[rudebuddha]

According to SportsCenter, every 5* player at Bama has ended up being selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft.

Not too shabby.

Before you all start sucking Saban's ****, do your own research before believing everything you read on the internet.

Saban has had some guys nobody could Fuuck up like Trent Richardson, Julio Jones, Mark Barron, Dee Milliner, Dre Kirkpatrick.

He also didn't do squat with Tyler Love, a can't miss offensive tackle from 2008, Nico Johnson was a 5 star linebacker that went in the 4th round and Phillip Sims, a 5 star qb recruit left the team and was last seen riding the bench on UVA.

Throw in Cyrus Kouianjio who will probably be a 2nd round or later pick because he has an arthritic knee, Trey DePriest who is good but not a first round talent and it sure doesn't seem like every Saban 5 star gets picked in the first round.

 

[Port Knox]

Excuse my kids in the background. These boys are dirty, and everyone knows it. Get Emmert out, and the invisibility powers will subside.

[video=youtube;0JjIlLsRsKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjIlLsRsKA[/video]

[video=youtube;HwFe0fxeCoQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwFe0fxeCoQ[/video]

 

[Hegemon]

To bad that stat is totally false.

 

[Jakec15]

This is based off ESPN rankings.

Pretty sure Nico Johnson was not a 5 star on espn

 

[CANE1775]

This is based off ESPN rankings.

Pretty sure Nico Johnson was not a 5 star on espn

Correct. This was discussed on grassy. They were using ESPN rankings which I think made the argument "correct." With that said, bama just went on their ridiculous five star run in the last 2-3 years so it's going to be interesting to see how this new crop ends up. At any rate, saban is a heck of a coach with a lot of talent who also had some breaks along the way.

 

[TwoZero]

Lol at the idea of over-developing players as a hinderance to them performing in the league.

 

[LuCane]

Lol at the idea of over-developing players as a hinderance to them performing in the league.

Not sure if that's directed at my comment, but that's not what I was conveying.

The point of this thread was, I thought, that Bama gets 5 stars and develops them into 1st rounders. Point blank.

I think it's worth considering if Bama gets 5 star players (a lot of which is driven by size/speed and the fact they're being recruited by Bama) and has them play in such a solid system that they're later overvalued - 5 stars or not.

It's a credit to Nick Saban's system and college coaching ability. It's more commentary on the pro scouting aspect.

 

[dg151]

Now if he can just stop grinding them into dust while they're in college maybe they'll be able to last in the NFL.

 

[gfer1988]

isn't one of the largest if not the largest production factories of steroids and HGH in the US based in alabama?

 

[gfer1988]

http://www.alabamas13.com/story/24890028/major-steroid-supplier-in-tuscaloosa-arrested-police-say

from earlier this month

 

[kendallcanes]

I think a lot of teams that select first round draft picks are conservative with their picks. A player (last 5 years) from Alabama will have come from a solid program, plays against top level competition, and is well coached. It's a safe pick for management to make.
The downside is that because the Alabama teams of late have been so well balanced, a lot of player weaknesses haven't been exposed. For example, bring an Alabama safety to our secondary and see how he tackles in the open field. Bring a corner to our secondary and see how long he can cover with a subpar pass rush. See how a player responds to losing and the increased blame that goes around after the losing continues (see Dee Milliner).