Interesting Saban stat on ESPN

[bransuperpower]

it says a lot about players who do so well in college and not in the pro's. they just get so hyped up because they dont have to come to play very often and when they do....... they lose

 

[dogcane]

Tyler Love, undrafted
Nico Johnson, 4th round
BJ Scott, transferred, may be in CFL now
Phillip Sims, transferred
Dee Hart, arrested recently
Eddie Williams, in jail
Julio Jones, 1st round
Trent Richardson, 1st round
Dre Kirkpatrick, 1st
DJ Flucker, 1st
Dee Milliner, 1st
Ha Ha Dix - projected 1st round pick
Cyrus Koundjio - projected 1st round pick
Landon Collins - still playing
T.J. Yeldon - still playing
Trey DePriest - still playing
Derrick Henry - still playing
A'Shawn Robinson - still playing
OJ Howard - still playing
Robert Foster - still playing
Reuben Foster - still playing

Anyone have a list of the players? I tend to not trust a word that guy says.

 

[netdebt]

Any DB in there?

 

[bransuperpower]

Any DB in there?

Kirkpatrick & Milliner

 

[eliteproxy]

to 5* players during recruiting

Saben: come to Bama and you will be first round pick
Urben: lets play ****** schedules and win NC's!
Golden: lets talk about the pillars...


jk Golden is a great recruiter. but those pillars were a BAD move lol

 

[HurricaneU]

I think a more interesting metric would be how many lower rated recruits do programs coach up and put in the league. While not guaranteed, 5*s are supposed to be the elite.

 

[TP801]

to 5* players during recruiting

Saben: come to Bama and you will be first round pick
Urben: lets play ****ty schedules and win NC's!
Golden: lets talk about the pillars...


jk Golden is a great recruiter. but those pillars were a BAD move lol

:ibisroflmao:

 

[252cane]

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Tyler Love, undrafted
Nico Johnson, 4th round
BJ Scott, transferred, may be in CFL now
Phillip Sims, transferred
Dee Hart, arrested recently
Eddie Williams, in jail
Julio Jones, 1st round
Trent Richardson, 1st round
Dre Kirkpatrick, 1st
DJ Flucker, 1st
Dee Milliner, 1st
Ha Ha Dix - projected 1st round pick
Cyrus Koundjio - projected 1st round pick
Landon Collins - still playing
T.J. Yeldon - still playing
Trey DePriest - still playing
Derrick Henry - still playing
A'Shawn Robinson - still playing
OJ Howard - still playing
Robert Foster - still playing
Reuben Foster - still playing

Anyone have a list of the players? I tend to not trust a word that guy says.

I think espn are using their rankings and using their rankings some of the guys on your list was not 5 stars.

 

[Sandman211]

Nico Johnson, 4th round
BJ Scott, transferred
Tyler Love, undrafted
Phillip Sims, transferred
Dee Hart, arrested recently
Eddie Williams, in jail

Nico Johnson, BJ Scott, Tyler Love, Phillip Sims Dee Hart and Eddie Williams may disagree with you

According to SportsCenter, every 5* player at Bama has ended up being selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft.

Not too shabby.

i'm not familiar with them. did they get drafted at all? spend all of their college years at Bama?

Aside from Nico, they might only be counting players that graduated from Bama then. Not sure about Nico.

/there's always the option that the stat is just flat out wrong, too.

The stat is coming from ESPN about an SEC school, so it's a strong possibility they manipulated the variables for the SEC's benefit.

 

[LuCane]

Thats what you call making sure a 5* develops into a 5*. Nobody does it better then Saban. Now once they leave Bama and go to the NFL thats a diff story. But he makes sure his 5* guys dont bust while on his watch.

Is it? Why, then, do some of those 5 stars completely bust in the NFL? As in, complete flops. Consider this alternative: Saban taking 5* recruits and having them play in a system that makes them look like 5* players. The NFL views that production and the likely top measureables of a 5*, and overvalues the player.

Just something to consider.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Thats what you call making sure a 5* develops into a 5*. Nobody does it better then Saban. Now once they leave Bama and go to the NFL thats a diff story. But he makes sure his 5* guys dont bust while on his watch.

Is it? Why, then, do some of those 5 stars completely bust in the NFL? As in, complete flops. Consider this alternative: Saban taking 5* recruits and having them play in a system that makes them look like 5* players. The NFL views that production and the likely top measureables of a 5*, and overvalues the player.

Just something to consider.

Quality stuff Lu

I wonder how many of those guys actually see second contracts in the NFL?

In fairness to Jassid, Saban does get his guys drafted and paid on the first day of the draft. That's a huge selling point to recruits.

 

[ucrew02]

Saban is a college coach. He stops being responsible for their on-field performance the day they play their last game at Bama. He and that school do everything they can to prepare those kids for the league, right down to a similar style of football. They play for a superior team which can make a lot of guys look good (T-Rich and Ingram, anyone?), which goes back to what Lu was saying.

Guys like Rolo McClain aren't on Saban. That dude is just a mess. I know it's thrown around that their guys suck in the league but who has he had flop terribly other than the RBs and McClain, really? Milliner is young, Kirkpatrick is seemingly solid-good. I don't know much about guys like Carpenter or Fluker. I thought Dareus was solid-good but I could be wrong.

 

[RiDLer80]

Saban gets everything he can out of players and they peak in college. They don't have room to grow once they get to the league and they are what they are. Most times, Bama players are bigger, faster and stronger than their opponents (even their SEC opponents).

Look at their OL. Those mother****ers are NFL ready so of course they pummel opposing defenses and their RBs are running through gaping holes for 6 yards a pop.

 

[passitback]

:espnsux:

 

[cubin10]

Nico Johnson, 4th round
BJ Scott, transferred
Tyler Love, undrafted
Phillip Sims, transferred
Dee Hart, arrested recently
Eddie Williams, in jail

Nico Johnson, BJ Scott, Tyler Love, Phillip Sims Dee Hart and Eddie Williams may disagree with you

i'm not familiar with them. did they get drafted at all? spend all of their college years at Bama?

Aside from Nico, they might only be counting players that graduated from Bama then. Not sure about Nico.

/there's always the option that the stat is just flat out wrong, too.

The stat is coming from ESPN about an SEC school, so it's a strong possibility they manipulated the variables for the SEC's benefit.

Ya think?

 

[jandman514]

who gives a ****

but you opened the thread...

 

[Republicane]

Unfortunately that stat doesn't show that maybe 2 of those five stars dont blow in the league. .but I guess that doesn't matter lol

Do you think it does to 'Bama fans? Do they have to give those BCS titles back if their players don't make it to the Pro Bowl? Do they have to give back the bowl game checks and a booster donations because Andre Smith isn't going to the HOF?

When you watch Miami's defense get sodomized weekly by teams wearing sandpaper condoms, does it make it easier to handle when you remember Cortez Kennedy is in Canton? "David Cutcliffe just did the dougie while pointing and laughing at Al Golden.....but RAY LEWIS DOG!"

 

[gfer1988]

can't forget flops like hightower, upshaw, Kirkpatrick sucks (had two good games in his career), javier arenas, Mccelroy, Andre Smith, Terrence Cody, Kareem Jackson (highly overrated, and the will see with Fluker, Warmack (bad rookie season), Millner (one good game at the end of season), and i'd even go as far as to say mark Barron. and that's coming from a huge tampa bay fan.

Saban is a college coach. He stops being responsible for their on-field performance the day they play their last game at Bama. He and that school do everything they can to prepare those kids for the league, right down to a similar style of football. They play for a superior team which can make a lot of guys look good (T-Rich and Ingram, anyone?), which goes back to what Lu was saying.

Guys like Rolo McClain aren't on Saban. That dude is just a mess. I know it's thrown around that their guys suck in the league but who has he had flop terribly other than the RBs and McClain, really? Milliner is young, Kirkpatrick is seemingly solid-good. I don't know much about guys like Carpenter or Fluker. I thought Dareus was solid-good but I could be wrong.

 

[brcane1]

I think the drug testing is what catches up with them in the NFL, by and large.

When this was first brought up I sort of brushed it off but I think there's enough evidence to definitely warrant a discussion. I mean, it's hard to ignore.

Curious to see the evidence you are referring too.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I think the drug testing is what catches up with them in the NFL, by and large.

When this was first brought up I sort of brushed it off but I think there's enough evidence to definitely warrant a discussion. I mean, it's hard to ignore.

Makes you wonder.