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In Today's Era, When Is The Right Time To Fire Your Head Corch?

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Empirical Cane said:
Barring some insane moral, illegal, or unethical scandal scenario, in today's era, the calendar (buyout clauses + other position openings) is a very important driver as to when an organization decides to move on from a head corch.

When is that time?

Mid season like with Franklin?

End of season?

1 Jan?

Other?
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OldhamA said:
Paraphrasing Josh Pate here, but he likes to say (and I know it's not his saying) "if you've got to do something eventually, you've got to do it immediately".

I think that's especially true in this modern College football world with its Transfer Portals, NIL and players not having to sit out anymore.

So on the one hand fair play to Penn St from moving on from Franklin immediately IF they thought that's what they'd have to do to reach the next level.

Personally I think it's a kneejerk reaction to a couple of bad losses -and, apparently, due to his personality (he's a bit of a ****head they say).

The AD had better have been planning this move for a while though or he'll quickly find himself sat at home unemployed too - with nowhere near the same buyout.
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Josh pate also thought Penn state was dumb firing Franklin 🤷‍♂️
 
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Everything is contextual. General rules of thumb:

1. Don't fire a guy without a known trade-up replacement in the back pocket or 3-5 trade-ups expressing serious interest in private.
2. Make sure you have the program backers all lined up to fund the buyouts on both sides, the increase in staff salary and the increase in NIL needed to level up the program.
3. Have your interim team identified and ready to step in right away.
4. Make sure you've identified the talent you want to keep on roster and be ready to re-recruit them in real time as the firing is announced.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Get the font outta here with that, meng!
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I see the Phin fans have picked up the Hurricane tradition of the banner plane. It's no longer a Cane thing, it's a Miami thing.

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QuattroCane said:
Not to hijack, but IMO PSU screwed up in a serious way firing Franklin. He clearly has his limitations, but holy fack what a knee-jerk reaction.

It's almost like they wanted to get rid of him and knew if they didn't do it after the NW loss, he may win 9 games and then you "can't" fire him.
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I’m very curious at who will be an “upgrade” for PSU. As other schools have learned, this is much easier said than done. See Nebraska after 20 years.
 
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The question I would like to ask is what's the appropriate amount of time to give a coach to win a championship, no matter the record of the team? If a coach wins 11 regular season games every year but hasn't won a championship in 10 years do you fire him? Since 1980 you have:

Alabama: 7
Miami: 5
Florida: 3
Georgia: 3
Ohio State: 3
LSU: 3
Nebraska: 3
Clemson: 3
FSU: 3
Penn State: 2
Oklahoma: 2
Michigan: 2
Tennessee: 1
USC: 2
BYU: 1
Ga Tech: 1
Colorado: 1
Washington: 1
Texas: 1
Auburn: 1
Notre Dame: 1

I mean, ignoring title splits, 12 teams have won 90% of the national championships over the last 45 years. The top 5 teams have won almost 50%. My take is if you have a coach getting to 10+ wins consistently it's more likely that he will luck into a championship eventually than the odds that you will find another coach to win you 10+ games every year.

Btw, what's crazy to me is that if Miami hadn't been robbed in 2002, we could be playing this year for a chance to tie for the most national championships in almost 50 years.
 
A lot of posts saying an AD should have a replacement or a number of candidates back-channeling.

I agree, but question who these coaches might be. Who are 'known trade-ups' for Franklin? Eight months ago PSU was in the Final Four and looking for a ne HC after a bad two-game slide falling well below expectations. What make another coach a 'known trade-up'? I don't see an Urban Meyer-type out there, retiring for 'health reasons' only to feel better when a top job opens up. OSU sacrificed a season and had Meyer privately in the bag. IMO.

Saban isn't coming back, and PSU isn't hiring Dabo, Day, Harbaugh. or Kirby. All NC winners. Say no to Fisher or Coach O. Meyer is toxic.

I agree with Franklin's firing. His ceiling was last year. He loses most big games. The timing allows the program to reset and plan, try to keep the current recruiting class intact, and re-recruit internal transfer portal candidates, regardless of the new HC. Many believe the team was calling it a day on the season, so the program might as well do what's necessary rather than wait. The program and their fans better be ready for 'transition seasons'.

This timing also may be the new norm for programs willing to cover large buyouts.

My question is:

When are programs going to stop offering lengthy 8-10 year near-fully guaranteed contacts with these huge buyouts?
 
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