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citizenkane

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We all know that we're going to beat Bethune so why not look ahead?

I admit that I didn't know to much about Malzahn because I rarely follow Auburn football. As far as I can tell Malzahn's offense looked really really good circa 2009-2012 era because off course having Cam Newton helped a lot and I guess his offense was new and radical at the time. He also took the Tigers to the last BCS championship and lost to FSU late in 4th quarter.

But ever since then the Tiger's fell apart mostly on offense. Besides personnel which obviously changes consistently, SEC defenses seem to have figured out how to stop his "unstoppable" offense. Malzahn also fell apart at UCF going 4-8 in the Big 12. This guy consistently fails on the big stage for a reason.

So this leads my to my question, WTF was Alabama doing? Alabama has played Auburn every year since the beginning of time and yet they looked like they ZERO film on this guy.

The defense refused to set edges, keep gap containment and consistently over-pursue the ball carriers. IMO, Alabama clearly does NOT suffer from a lack of talent so either their defensive coaches are incompetent or their players haven't fully bought in or some combination of both.

Trying to stop his offense will be a PITA but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Castellanos is good but he's not Cam Newton good. Malzahn's offense was revolutionary in 2010 but today's date is 2025. FSU isn't going to face another power conference opponent until Virginia followed by our game. I suspect they will pad stats on 2 straight lower tier teams but i'm not buying into hype that Malzahn has somehow "reinvented" himself.

There is a reason his offense hasn't had any real success against good competition since 2014 and those reasons are likely to surface again soon.
 
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I mentioned it in other threads, but even in his book Malzahn stated that his offense would get figured out and defenses would catch up. The fact he was able to ride it from high school ranks to big time cfb and make millions while also having a decent coaching tree and help other make bank was always impressive to me. That Arky 8 with mustain and getting foot in door was big for high school rank coaches.

Buttt his offense got figured out and the fact he here 20 years later is dope but dam I was utterly shocked how unprepared Bama defense looked for simple **** gus has ALWAYS done, like they shouldnt be able to house simple jet sweeps against a "bama defense" Wommack must not have watched any film or prepared his team for anything. Their QB is a true dual threat and can be a headache but for them to look that bad was shocking. They were unprepared.
 
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They weren't even that good against Bama. They won the LOS and 100000% deserved to win, I'm not trying to **** on them. But it's not like they rolled up 550 yards of offense.

They averaged 6 yards a play. Again, against Bama, well done. But that's a number that will roughly rank you around 40th in the country for a full season. They threw the ball 14 times. But like @skyman said, Bama let FSU beat them doing what they knew they were going to do. It was like they didn't even practice. And they sure as **** had some trash *** effort. IDK what that was, but it wasn't Bama.

Castellanos had 16 carries...nobody on the team had more than 7. Slow him down in the run game, make him throw, and we'll win easily. He can't beat you with his arm consistently.

Everyone is going nuts about how they ran all over Bama, and they did. 230 rushing yards is EMBARRASSING if you're Bama. But again, they got 4.69 a carry. That's basically top third in the country year after year? Good, not great. MUCH better than 2024....light years better, but it's not like they rolled out the 2024 Miami Hurricanes offense. It was pretty good.
 
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They weren't even that good against Bama. They won the LOS and 100000% deserved to win, I'm not trying to **** on them. But it's not like they rolled up 550 yards of offense.

They averaged 6 yards a play. Again, against Bama, well done. But that's a number that will roughly rank you around 40th in the country for a full season. They threw the ball 14 times. But like @skyman said, Bama let FSU beat them doing what they knew they were going to do. It was like they didn't even practice. And they sure as **** had some trash *** effort. IDK what that was, but it wasn't Bama.

Castellanos had 16 carries...nobody on the team had more than 7. Slow him down in the run game, make him throw, and we'll win easily. He can't beat you with his arm consistently.
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Well said. It also doesn't hurt that FSU gave zero access to practice, all closed, so Bama had no idea what to expect. That advantage is gone.
I know there are a lot of people geeked up over the FSU win, but I want to see what happens now.
 
Their edges were so undisciplined it was crazy. Tons of missed tackles. And wtf was up with Ryan Williams? Dude looked like he didn't want to be there
 
citizenkane said:
We all know that we're going to beat Bethune so why not look ahead?

I admit that I didn't know to much about Malzahn because I rarely follow Auburn football. As far as I can tell Malzahn's offense looked really really good circa 2009-2012 era because off course having Cam Newton helped a lot and I guess his offense was new and radical at the time. He also took the Tigers to the last BCS championship and lost to FSU late in 4th quarter.

But ever since then the Tiger's fell apart mostly on offense. Besides personnel which obviously changes consistently, SEC defenses seem to have figured out how to stop his "unstoppable" offense. Malzahn also fell apart at UCF going 4-8 in the Big 12. This guy consistently fails on the big stage for a reason.

So this leads my to my question, WTF was Alabama doing? Alabama has played Auburn every year since the beginning of time and yet they looked like they ZERO film on this guy.

The defense refused to set edges, keep gap containment and consistently over-pursue the ball carriers. IMO, Alabama clearly does NOT suffer from a lack of talent so either their defensive coaches are incompetent or their players haven't fully bought in or some combination of both.

Trying to stop his offense will be a PITA but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Castellanos is good but he's not Cam Newton good. Malzahn's offense was revolutionary in 2010 but today's date is 2025. FSU isn't going to face another power conference opponent until Virginia followed by our game. I suspect they will pad stats on 2 straight lower tier teams but i'm not buying into hype that Malzahn has somehow "reinvented" himself.

There is a reason his offense hasn't had any real success against good competition since 2014 and those reasons are likely to surface again soon.
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Very often the last ones to recognize an Empire has fallen are the leaders of said Empire at the very end.

The "smartest" leaders either are killed trying to save the beast or retire for greener pastures just prior.
 
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The thing about to remember about Malzahn is he put a Defensive Back at Quarterback and went to a national championship. He keeps things simple and is more focused on what you can do well as opposed to what you can't do. He might not run more than 5 formations in some games. His protege Lashlee is exactly the same.

He is an elite OC. He stumbled as a HC mainly bc he had too many pots on the stove to deal with and didn't have the horses.

But if he's just play calling ...

It was a great hire by Norvell. Nothing else needs to be said beyond that other than we'll see them when we see them.
 
citizenkane said:
We all know that we're going to beat Bethune so why not look ahead?

I admit that I didn't know to much about Malzahn because I rarely follow Auburn football. As far as I can tell Malzahn's offense looked really really good circa 2009-2012 era because off course having Cam Newton helped a lot and I guess his offense was new and radical at the time. He also took the Tigers to the last BCS championship and lost to FSU late in 4th quarter.

But ever since then the Tiger's fell apart mostly on offense. Besides personnel which obviously changes consistently, SEC defenses seem to have figured out how to stop his "unstoppable" offense. Malzahn also fell apart at UCF going 4-8 in the Big 12. This guy consistently fails on the big stage for a reason.

So this leads my to my question, WTF was Alabama doing? Alabama has played Auburn every year since the beginning of time and yet they looked like they ZERO film on this guy.

The defense refused to set edges, keep gap containment and consistently over-pursue the ball carriers. IMO, Alabama clearly does NOT suffer from a lack of talent so either their defensive coaches are incompetent or their players haven't fully bought in or some combination of both.

Trying to stop his offense will be a PITA but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Castellanos is good but he's not Cam Newton good. Malzahn's offense was revolutionary in 2010 but today's date is 2025. FSU isn't going to face another power conference opponent until Virginia followed by our game. I suspect they will pad stats on 2 straight lower tier teams but i'm not buying into hype that Malzahn has somehow "reinvented" himself.

There is a reason his offense hasn't had any real success against good competition since 2014 and those reasons are likely to surface again soon.
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The Alabama showing is mind blowing in so many respects. The fact that FSU QB ****ed all over/mocked them & didn’t **** them off is crazy. Lack of passion & effort was so not like Bama, Also didn’t help that QB is dog ****,
 
Gus lost his passion at UCF. He just did't have the horses or the dollars to hang with the big boys. He's built a solid line and has a mobile QB. Now he can focus on offense only. That's what he does. This is not the same team from last year at all. It will be an interesting match up. But Miami will move the ball and look to control the clock. I like our hogs up front.
 
I will say the Bama LB's looked super slow. Maybe they don't have that LB talent anymore.

And I thought Norvell was an offensive mastermind? Was I wrong about that? I was curious as well why he brought in Gus.
 
FSU is a middle class man's USF. They'll be tough for a half but our size and physicality will wear them out over the course of the game. I expect us to win by 14+, maybe even more if we can build a sufficient enough lead to make Castallenos throw (please Mario, step on their throat).
 
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My thought watching it was that they will do to us what USF and GT did last year and it will be incredibly frustrating.

That was, of course, before our game...the hope is that Bain and Mesidor continue to dominate and maintain their lanes.
 
citizenkane said:
We all know that we're going to beat Bethune so why not look ahead?

I admit that I didn't know to much about Malzahn because I rarely follow Auburn football. As far as I can tell Malzahn's offense looked really really good circa 2009-2012 era because off course having Cam Newton helped a lot and I guess his offense was new and radical at the time. He also took the Tigers to the last BCS championship and lost to FSU late in 4th quarter.

But ever since then the Tiger's fell apart mostly on offense. Besides personnel which obviously changes consistently, SEC defenses seem to have figured out how to stop his "unstoppable" offense. Malzahn also fell apart at UCF going 4-8 in the Big 12. This guy consistently fails on the big stage for a reason.

So this leads my to my question, WTF was Alabama doing? Alabama has played Auburn every year since the beginning of time and yet they looked like they ZERO film on this guy.

The defense refused to set edges, keep gap containment and consistently over-pursue the ball carriers. IMO, Alabama clearly does NOT suffer from a lack of talent so either their defensive coaches are incompetent or their players haven't fully bought in or some combination of both.

Trying to stop his offense will be a PITA but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Castellanos is good but he's not Cam Newton good. Malzahn's offense was revolutionary in 2010 but today's date is 2025. FSU isn't going to face another power conference opponent until Virginia followed by our game. I suspect they will pad stats on 2 straight lower tier teams but i'm not buying into hype that Malzahn has somehow "reinvented" himself.

There is a reason his offense hasn't had any real success against good competition since 2014 and those reasons are likely to surface again soon.
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I can tell you exactly what bama did, absolutely nothing! Gus’s offense is not hard to figure out and shame on the bama coaches for not making any adjustments or initiating a proper game plan from the jump.not once did bama do anything to take the run away from fsu and force them to beat them with the pass, which they wouldn’t have been able to do. Bamas players honestly looked lazy and not bought in and with that said, I don’t think that coaching staff is long for their jobs there.
 
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FSU is a middle class man's USF. They'll be tough for a half but our size and physicality will wear them out over the course of the game. I expect us to win by 14+, maybe even more if we can build a sufficient enough lead to make Castallenos throw (please Mario, step on their throat).
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FSU is better than USF
 
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