If we miss ACCCG + CFP, it will come back to one decision (SMU game)

[CBurrr93]

Smu game was so much more unforgivable than Louisville. You could tell Louisville was putting up resistance. SMU wasn’t. Was pathetic

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

I don't see a correlation with moving faster, means potentially more penatlies.

But right on that he can't fix the most penalized unit on the team, his own OL. Pretty sad.

I’d actually argue if we went with more tempo we’d have less motion penalties.

 

[TOcane]

I disagree
Yeah, the drop passes hurt, but we should’ve been winning that game at the half regardless
We let him hang around and we let the referees get involved. There were a ton of plays that we botched
Brown on the short run, play where he tried to bounce instead of jamming it up there and get in the yard that was a huge play
I won’t even go into all the stupid dumb ******* penalties that this team commits weekly to self sabotage themselves

One dropped pass = a touchdown at the what 5 yard line. Ball game. We will disagree sure. Many issues that accumulated but that one single action wins that game.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Smu game was so much more unforgivable than Louisville. You could tell Louisville was putting up resistance. SMU wasn’t. Was pathetic

Just a comedy of errors in that game. I said it all week the week after. There was about 1 out of 100 paths to take to lose and of course that's the one we walk down.

1st and 10 at the SMU 25 in the first quarter and don't score a point. Don't even attempt a field goal. Just an impossible outcome.

Absolutely perfect pass for a 20+ yard gain that is not only not a 20+ yard gain, but it's a turnover.

1st and goal at the 9 and don't score a TD.

1st and 10 at the SMU 38 in the 3rd quarter and don't score a point/don't even attempt a field goal.

1st and 10 at the SMU 34 and you only get a field goal because you follow up a Beck scramble with YET ANOTHER TWO SHORT YARDAGE RUNS, and you don't convert (shocker) and kick a FG.

The absolutely absurd combo of the Mauigoa hold AND picking up a PI flag on 3rd and 5 that likely ends the game if we convert.

The insane decision to kneel the ball with a multi-millionaire QB with 25 seconds and a timeout.

The 4th and 9 personal foul.

The ridiculously improbable catch by their WR on the sideline to make a 49 yard FG a 38 yard FG.

Throwing a pick in the endzone in Overtime.

Absolutely sickening.

 

[ssvir]

lol nah that JoJo drop / fluke INT was in the first half of the game it had nothing to do with why we lost to SMU. Carson Beck throwing an interception at the 7 is 100% the reason we lost.

 

[SFbayCane]

were we too conservative vs louisville?

I mean we were in field goal range and threw a pick (with a timeout left) - which is on dawson play call and beck execution

we kneel at the end vs SMU because we clearly dont trust beck (for good reason - throws a pick to lose the game in OT) and it's not on Dawson, but it's on Mario?


I'm coming off as a defender - I'm more so just calling out that people pick and choose who they want to give credit to and blame on here and' its usually inconsistent

I was at the Louisville game. Their safeties were literally sprinting to spots on the field at the snap where Beck ended up throwing the ball. Im convinced they knew what we were running. They ran a completely different offensive scheme in that game. UL has an intelligent coaching staff. That's what high football-IQ coaches are able to do in the college football. That's why we struggle.

Maybe we're having a difference of definition. When I say conservative, I mean simplistic. It's Mario's caveman ball that cost us those games. Its not going for it on 4th and two, its tight stacking the offense and running into a 9 man front expecting to simply out-bully a team who knew what was coming.

UL and SMU were the two best conference teams on our schedule and we prepared absolutely nothing to surprise them. And UL was after a bye week. Again, the fact that the offense went to the trick ball approach the very next week was Mario and Dawson's admission of guilt.

 

[Zombie-Cane]

So when Mario doesn't kneel you guys *****, then he does and you *****..............the man can't win...........
LOL, I am kidding obviousy.

 

[88]

Just a comedy of errors in that game. I said it all week the week after. There was about 1 out of 100 paths to take to lose and of course that's the one we walk down.

1st and 10 at the SMU 25 in the first quarter and don't score a point. Don't even attempt a field goal. Just an impossible outcome.

Absolutely perfect pass for a 20+ yard gain that is not only not a 20+ yard gain, but it's a turnover.

1st and goal at the 9 and don't score a TD.

1st and 10 at the SMU 38 in the 3rd quarter and don't score a point/don't even attempt a field goal.

1st and 10 at the SMU 34 and you only get a field goal because you follow up a Beck scramble with YET ANOTHER TWO SHORT YARDAGE RUNS, and you don't convert (shocker) and kick a FG.

The absolutely absurd combo of the Mauigoa hold AND picking up a PI flag on 3rd and 5 that likely ends the game if we convert.

The insane decision to kneel the ball with a multi-millionaire QB with 25 seconds and a timeout.

The 4th and 9 personal foul.

The ridiculously improbable catch by their WR on the sideline to make a 49 yard FG a 38 yard FG.

Throwing a pick in the endzone in Overtime.

Absolutely sickening.

What about the unlikelyhood the Bain forced fumbled call on the field is reversed with nowhere near clear evidence

 

[Ryanmilli]

It seems odd to me that we have yet another tempo thread with absolutely zero mention of the most important factor in running tempo, which is the guy who is running the offense on the field. Beck is VERY deliberate at the line of scrimmage. Is there any evidence that he is comfortable running tempo or has run tempo with any success in the past?

I mean, Syracuse ran 80 plays against ND and used tempo at times with its JV quarterback. There's not much use in doing it if you can't do it well or if it would telegraph what you are about to do.

That said, I think we have used it tempo effectively a few times this year (albeit sparingly), including in the red zone or when the defense is caught in a certain personnel package (e.g. running quickly after converting on a passing down). I would not mind seeing some more of that.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

What about the unlikelyhood the Bain forced fumbled call on the field is reversed with nowhere near clear evidence

It was Xavier Lucas but I said a few times that I actually thought it was the right call. I try to be objective when it comes to Miami, and actually it's detrimental at times. I think sometimes I demand too much. So I could be wrong here but when I saw that play I was a lot more upset at Lucas hesitating than I was the call. You have a clear shot to knock a quarterback's spine out of his body, knock him into the ******* tunnel. Why are you running to his blind side and breaking down like he's suddenly going to explode into an unprovoked back-pedal?

Sigh. Anyway, I thought it was close. You can argue the force of the hit caused his arm to go forward. And you'd probably be correct. But he did have full control of the football with his arm going forward. Either way, if you thought it was a fumble, I don't think you're a crazy person at all. But just give me this one and say it wasn't, and we still have 15 other chances to win that game that I laid out. So no, the whole season didn't come down to Mario kneeling, as moronic as it was. It came down to 15 plays in that game that we didn't make.

I also purposely didn't include the SEVEN offensive penalties we had in the first half because I had a nice lunch and didn't want to projectile it all over my office.

 

[Canestennis]

The timeout on lightfoots penalty was mind boggling

This. Still trying to get over that moronic decision. Gave SMU time to recoup because they were scrambling to get to the line on 4th and long and looked rushed and confused (at least to my untrained eyes).

 

[Ryanmilli]

It was Xavier Lucas but I said a few times that I actually thought it was the right call. I try to be objective when it comes to Miami, and actually it's detrimental at times. I think sometimes I demand too much. So I could be wrong here but when I saw that play I was a lot more upset at Lucas hesitating than I was the call. You have a clear shot to knock a quarterback's spine out of his body, knock him into the ******* tunnel. Why are you running to his blind side and breaking down like he's suddenly going to explode into an unprovoked back-pedal?

Sigh. Anyway, I thought it was close. You can argue the force of the hit caused his arm to go forward. And you'd probably be correct. But he did have full control of the football with his arm going forward. Either way, if you thought it was a fumble, I don't think you're a crazy person at all. But just give me this one and say it wasn't, and we still have 15 other chances to win that game that I laid out. So no, the whole season didn't come down to Mario kneeling, as moronic as it was. It came down to 15 plays in that game that we didn't make.

I also purposely didn't include the SEVEN offensive penalties we had in the first half because I had a nice lunch and didn't want to projectile it all over my office.

It was ruled a fumble on the field, so the replay needed to show incontrovertible evidence of an intentional forward movement of the hand or arm with the ball firmly in the QB's control (Rule 2-19-2).

The call on the field is presumptively correct. It needs to be a clear and obvious error to reverse. This is a standard that is applied by courts all the time. But if you watch the "command center" stuff, the replay dictator is not applying this standard at all. He is clearly doing de novo reviews and imposing his opinion without any deference to the call on the field at all.

 

[RVACane]

Dude, I agree that it was a loser move to kneel - I literally blurted out “what a loser!” at the tv when he did it - but that doesn’t make that the reason we lost. We don’t know what would have happened if he actually tried to win there. Nonetheless, it was a loser coRching move and a prime example of why I voted to pack his bags and send him on his way to LSU in that hypothetical poll that most voted the opposite in.


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We have a serious MarioBro pandemic here.

@apb33323, I see you never responded to my last request for an opinion on things as opposed to doing all over the board. Check this out. No more reactions for you until I see some genuine participation from you in the form of posts.

 

[MiamiVice7]

There were also a 4th and 1 and a 3rd and 1 play we didn't convert.

Of course we ran both of them right up the middle.

We convert either one and that game is over.

Insanely frustrating.

First, we should be able to get those with our “playmaker” offensive line and running backs built for that purpose.

Second, pick any of the hundred not new but new plays we’re running, whether play action, wildcat, jet sweep, etc take your pick. And we at least convert one if not both of those.

Crazy.

 

[Gables Canes]

Losing to Louisville was almost inevitable when you go down 14-0 in the first quarter and your QB throws four interceptions, including one on the final drive. I'm not going to waste energy there.

But I just can't get past Mario's decision to kneel the ball to force overtime against SMU in Dallas.

1st and 10, 0:25 seconds left, one timeout at your 25 yard line. Beck was playing well, you were moving the ball in the air, and we have a kicker that can hit from 50+ yards. It just baffles me to this day that he made the call to go to overtime instead of playing to win in regulation.

Two completions + a long kick and we're sitting at 10-1, ACCCG all but locked up and CFP playoff birth waiting for us.

That loss stings almost as bad as the Syracuse loss last year. This is a top-10 team, and we're likely going to be playing in the Pop-Tart bowl again this year...

Not to mention SMU's secondary is ranked something like 130th in the country. They're an abysmal unit.

Coaching scared and not to lose is dumb.

 

[RVACane]

Happens all the time. Yall can have the second-guessing on that one.

If he didn't call timeout, and they converted, the entire board would be saying he's a dumb **** and what kind of coach doesn't call timeout to ensure you have your defense set??!?! Oh my god, our strength is our pass rush, you stupid **** coach, call timeout to give your kids a breather and have them fresh for one final play.

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It didn't work out. There's no right or wrong way to play that.

Nah, most of his timeouts are weird.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Kinda confused by this, they took 3 deep shots with Jojo against SMU and he had 84 yards in first quarter! He was even open on the drop turned INT, we turtled up after when we should of kept attacking! How do you empower players if you rarely use them and they make a mistake and then dont help them get back on track, the game plan should NOT have changed!

Idk how olineman are able to false start every game and barely a word is mentioned, the VT snap by center is dam near sabotage level of suspect but not a peep. For some reason guys like Lofton can drop a hundred passes and kill drives and they will still feed him to get out of funk but jojo sits bench all season and thrown in deep end and its like even tho you are doing well one **** up and its back to the trenches for you son! Its crazy how polarizing it is..

this^ The OL killed momentum numerous times . Those penalties for holding and false starts in the middle few games were killers.

Last week we had a repeat a few times. They cannot afford one single issue this week.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

I was at the Louisville game. Their safeties were literally sprinting to spots on the field at the snap where Beck ended up throwing the ball. Im convinced they knew what we were running. They ran a completely different offensive scheme in that game. UL has an intelligent coaching staff. That's what high football-IQ coaches are able to do in the college football. That's why we struggle.

Maybe we're having a difference of definition. When I say conservative, I mean simplistic. It's Mario's caveman ball that cost us those games. Its not going for it on 4th and two, its tight stacking the offense and running into a 9 man front expecting to simply out-bully a team who knew what was coming.

UL and SMU were the two best conference teams on our schedule and we prepared absolutely nothing to surprise them. And UL was after a bye week. Again, the fact that the offense went to the trick ball approach the very next week was Mario and Dawson's admission of guilt.

they were arrogant. They intended to bully ball those games, particularly SMU, and it backfired. That and the egregious number of OL penalties.

 

[ssvir]

This. Still trying to get over that moronic decision. Gave SMU time to recoup because they were scrambling to get to the line on 4th and long and looked rushed and confused (at least to my untrained eyes).

It wasn't a moronic decision at all. Mario said after the fact they saw what formation Louisville was using and called the TO to force them to change that formation. Literally every single coach in the history of football does the same thing. The moronic decision was Lightfoot hitting the QB when clearly everyone else on the field stopped.

Mario and crew give plenty to ***** about to not have to ***** about things which actually make 100% sense.

 

[flips]

It seems odd to me that we have yet another tempo thread with absolutely zero mention of the most important factor in running tempo, which is the guy who is running the offense on the field. Beck is VERY deliberate at the line of scrimmage. Is there any evidence that he is comfortable running tempo or has run tempo with any success in the past?

I mean, Syracuse ran 80 plays against ND and used tempo at times with its JV quarterback. There's not much use in doing it if you can't do it well or if it would telegraph what you are about to do.

That said, I think we have used it tempo effectively a few times this year (albeit sparingly), including in the red zone or when the defense is caught in a certain personnel package (e.g. running quickly after converting on a passing down). I would not mind seeing some more of that.

Yes, but you're fighting a losing battle here. The simplest and most obvious explanation for why we are playing at the tempo we are playing at is because that's the freaking tempo Beck, our QB who yells hike, is most comfortable playing at.

I posted in another thread that turned into a thread about tempo yesterday that using the seconds between play measure, Beck averaged 29.x in his good year starting at UGA, 25.x or 26.x last year when he wasn't so good, and now 30.0 playing much better than last year. So data does seem to support the explanation - it's Beck's preference to play at a slower pace - and that he does play better at slower pace than he does at a faster but not breakneck pace.

(Also the # of plays/game the 2 years at UGA and this year are pretty constant)