What does that say about the salaries for the bottom 70% of coaches making millions?
We've had a bunch making millions that didn't do much.....
namely:Pay does not equal performance. We'd like to think so, but it doesn't.
Could name a ton of coaches (and players) who are paid far more (professional ranks) than what they produce, and it is also true of college coaches.
Sports has become very problematic. The revenues are massive, and therefore, the players/coaches SHOULD share in the wealth, but it is still done (largely) on a system of "pay for potential" or "pay for what someone did previously somewhere else", instead of paying for actual performance at the current employer.
The closest that we manage to come to "pay for performance" in sports is in individual competition (golf, tennis, auto racing, etc.) or else in baseball arbitration, where the arbitrated salary is based on the most recent player performance and when compared to the market of other comparable players.
But, yeah, plenty of coaches in particular, and in football specifically, are overpaid compared to actual current accomplishments.
Andy Staples brings this up on his podcast a lot. He makes the argument that someone like Saban is very underpaid (even at close to $10M), but all of these coaches that go 7-5ish are 'replacement level' coaches that are overpaid at $3-4M per year.
What does that say about the salaries for the bottom 70% of coaches making millions?
We've had a bunch making millions that didn't do much.....
His case was even that is too high for most. Coaches like Manny (not to pick on him specifically, but b/c he is a good example and one we are all familiar with) should not be making $4M per year. Tony Elliot as a first time head coach should not be making $4.1M at UVA.After that, nobody should make more than 6-7 million.
Mack Brown is an OVERATED IDIOT.CO-rrect. You saw it last year when SUDDENLY every halfway decent coach who got an extension got the same amount ($9.5 million per year, give or take $500K).
Only coaches who should be paid over $10 million right now are Saban, Dabo, Kirby, and Jimbo (old performance). Mack Brown is old and tired. You could probably toss in Riley and Day in the 8-9 million tier. After that, nobody should make more than 6-7 million. That is based on equity principles, not revenue/profit sharing principles.
Yup. I'm so glad last year ended up being a tank year after they got all that preseason hype.Mack Brown is an OVERATED IDIOT.
It's the buddy system, hiring friends because they make you comfortable usually ends up in poor performance. Then when standards slip it's hard to ignore friendship or family ties.That happens in every profession, but coaching seems more extreme because of the salary figures. It's messed up, but some coaches are getting paid to do nothing. Others keep getting rehired despite proven consistent incompetence. Etc. But that happens everywhere. Just not so high profile and high paid.
Many head coaches have incentives worked into their contracts. Division wins, conference championships, making the playoffs, and winning titles have always been spelled out and well-compensated for coach Saban and his contacts at Alabama. The HC should be totally responsible for quality control. We've had numerous coaches that suddenly find work somewhere else and we've had coordinators that have been demoted during the season. That's quality control.Incentive laden contacts with guarantees based on current ranking when compared to peers is the best possible system but nothing like that exists to my knowledge.
I would like to know how feasible something like this would be for coaches. It would actually need tweaks for players to include a base salary, adjustments based on starts, compensation for injuries, etc.
Pay does not equal performance. We'd like to think so, but it doesn't.
Could name a ton of coaches (and players) who are paid far more (professional ranks) than what they produce, and it is also true of college coaches.
Sports has become very problematic. The revenues are massive, and therefore, the players/coaches SHOULD share in the wealth, but it is still done (largely) on a system of "pay for potential" or "pay for what someone did previously somewhere else", instead of paying for actual performance at the current employer.
The closest that we manage to come to "pay for performance" in sports is in individual competition (golf, tennis, auto racing, etc.) or else in baseball arbitration, where the arbitrated salary is based on the most recent player performance and when compared to the market of other comparable players.
But, yeah, plenty of coaches in particular, and in football specifically, are overpaid compared to actual current accomplishments.
Historically, schools like Michigan State just accept the inevitable and let coaches like Mel Tucker walk, but times are apparently changing. Would Tucker have accepted a non-guaranteed contract, regardless of the money, with all the folks inquiring about his services? He was holding all the cards.Well put.
Unfortunately the bar has been set and the salaries are what they are. Can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. This is the new norm.
Completely agree that based on performance Saban is grossly underpaid—for all he's made for Alabama and the sport. That said the minute you bump him up to a $10M annual deal, now they next-best guy is going to get $9M—even if he's only half the coach Saban is. So the A-Tier guy gets $10M, the B-Tier guys get $8M-9M, the C-Tier gets $5M to $7M and so on.
The one thing the industry should work on are the buyouts on these contracts—programs hamstrung for years if they hire back to back **** coaches, like FSU with Taggart and the Norvell. They'd love to get rid of Mike, but can't because they're in the poorhouse paying out Willie.
If coaches are getting massive money upfront and annually, there shouldn't be these massive severance packages if schools feel they're underperforming and want to get rid of them.
You want a big severance if you **** the bad—great—you get less money annually and you're protected on the back end.
You want big money annually because you're ready for prime time and are here to win games—great—then if you choke or don't get it done, we're not paying you out for the next five years while you sit home on your fat ***.
Name one beyond Mark Richt that made at or north of $4 mill?What does that say about the salaries for the bottom 70% of coaches making millions?
We've had a bunch making millions that didn't do much.....
Name one beyond Mark Richt that made at or north of $4 mill?
Shalala made it known when Butch left, that UM was not going to spend on head coaching beyond a certain mark, and she was a man of her word in seeking to limit our program.
or quite frankly, primarily the ACC…And yet...the extension given to Larry Coker made him one of the highest-paid college coaches at that time.
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