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Idk why some of you are so concerned about Nickel as our starter

miamicanephins said:
Dude said there were no full time assistants coaching qbs. I posted this list and the link earlier in the thread which is from 2024. The list dealt with the highest paid qb coaches, some were OCs, but these are non coordinators coaching qbs.

Non-Coordinators
$633,000: Chris Weinke, Georgia Tech
$600,000: Darin Hinshaw, UCF*
$540,000: Tino Sunseri, Indiana+
$500,000: Tony Tokarz, Florida State
$450,000: Shawn Bell, Houston
$430,000: Kurt Roper, NC State
$425,000: AJ Milwee, Texas
$400,000: Kent Austin, Auburn; Tim Rattay, Oklahoma State
$260,000: Taylor Lamb, Virginia
$200,000: Tyler Allen, West Virginia
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DEFINITELY getting paid more than a G.A.
 
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JHallCanes said:
This has been a common theme from some folks here

I’m curious

Who is setting the gold standard as far as QB recruiting and portal balance and results on the field?

Who is the example we should be following?

Since it’s not sustainable who is showing the sustainable method?

Not to be combative or singling you out. You’ve got good takes. I’m just genuinely curious what people think that say this
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I don't think we need to follow anyone else's example, really. I just want us to be able to have a deeper QB room. With continuity in the coaching staff, it would be nice to have a QB on the roster that has been in the system a while. One that can actually make the throws and reads necessary. People acting like it's impossible to bring up a competent QB from high school is silly. Even if he is just a decent backup.
 
So we getting a QB coach or no?

If Nickel only getting reps w/walkons, that’s not development. I don’t expect Dawson to stay after practice with just the qbs, but that’s why you need to bring someone in. And the #4-#6 wrs can stay afterwards too and work on their craft. In the nfl, you see a backup qb be pressed into service and a lot of times they end up establishing a connection with not only the starters, but also one of the guys he had been working with too.

Forget that ai crap too, lol.
 
ThomasM said:
I don't think we need to follow anyone else's example, really. I just want us to be able to have a deeper QB room. With continuity in the coaching staff, it would be nice to have a QB on the roster that has been in the system a while. One that can actually make the throws and reads necessary. People acting like it's impossible to bring up a competent QB from high school is silly. Even if he is just a decent backup.
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I’m with you. I think Nickel and Coleman are examples of that personally

I think the writing off of Nickel here is insane

But that’s just my opinion and your point is legit. It did take us a bit to get QB recruiting going in the right direction

The Emory and Judd takes compared to the Nickel and Coleman takes for example

I like what we are doing but we can always do better was just curious if you had someone in mind
 
JHallCanes said:
I’m with you. I think Nickel and Coleman are examples of that personally

I think the writing off of Nickel here is insane

But that’s just my opinion and your point is legit. It did take us a bit to get QB recruiting going in the right direction

The Emory and Judd takes compared to the Nickel and Coleman takes for example

I like what we are doing but we can always do better was just curious if you had someone in mind
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I'm having a hard time remembering when we had a QB come off the bench and do a good job. Maybe TVD for a short time? Man, we've had some pitiful, pitiful backup QBs over the last 20+ years.
 
ThomasM said:
I'm having a hard time remembering when we had a QB come off the bench and do a good job. Maybe TVD for a short time? Man, we've had some pitiful, pitiful backup QBs over the last 20+ years.
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Not only that. If Nickel was turning heads in practice, it would have been leaked. How many other freshmen have we heard about? I had zero shocks when @Cribby posted he's not ready. Because if Luke were ready, someone would have said it weeks or months ago.
 
grover said:
Not only that. If Nickel was turning heads in practice, it would have been leaked. How many other freshmen have we heard about? I had zero shocks when @Cribby posted he's not ready. Because if Luke were ready, someone would have said it weeks or months ago.
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I do think he’ll be the backup next year for whatever that’s worth .
 
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ssvir said:
Name the schools with viable backup QBs. I'll wait.

The QB position is basically dumpster juice from pro to college to HS. There simply aren't very many good QBs at any level.
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This is true. The qb position gets worse every year. I guess because of what the qb position has morphed into. There’s not many traditional pocket passers. Basically just athletes now.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Apparently at the very least Ohio State, oregon,Washington state & bama do without putting too much thought into this. It's naive to think QBs don't get developed without substantial playing time... This couldn't be a serious conversation. Has development seriously lacked throughout the country recently? No argument in that. Because clearly the portal is a viable option for places. Doesn't mean it should be the priority for everyone each and every season. If you're gonna do that then why waste a single resource on high school recruiting of the position because you don't have the ability to develop the position AND recruit a new starter year in and year out. Only way this is viable is if you take a multi year starter out of the portal. Otherwise your just hustling backwards.
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Most of the programs have dipped into the portal for QBs. Washington State has developed QBs ((Cam was a transfer), but ultimately can’t afford them.
 
bacane said:
Most of the programs have dipped into the portal for QBs. Washington State has developed QBs ((Cam was a transfer), but ultimately can’t afford them.
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Each of those developed their QB. Whether they got them out of the portal or not. They were the ones responsible for development. I'm not bored enough to look for more. That's just off the top of my head. Either way not much point in this. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. Right or wrong.
 
Miami needs to take part of the money the team won in the playoffs and create a staff to assess and develop players.. mainly QB's, but pretty much anyone who wants to put in work. Paying 6 mil a year for one position is expensive (it is what it is). You better have a plan if that guy gets hurt. I mean how much is a high school 5 star recruit? Gotta do both to sustain the momentum. Find guys who fit your system and will take a reasonable amount to come here and develop. The staff wouldn't be looking in the portal if next years qb answer was already here. We're in teh acc, baring craziness 10 wins should be the floor now. work smarter not harder. Pay the piper while you develop your pipeline.
 
JHallCanes said:
I’m with you. I think Nickel and Coleman are examples of that personally

I think the writing off of Nickel here is insane

But that’s just my opinion and your point is legit. It did take us a bit to get QB recruiting going in the right direction

The Emory and Judd takes compared to the Nickel and Coleman takes for example

I like what we are doing but we can always do better was just curious if you had someone in mind
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I mean he did under throw his first and only collegiate pass, so it’s a safe assumption his career is over. Too bad he’s not taller, we need a TE.
 
Dante Moore is going back to Oregon so that means whoever signed there has an opportunity to back out. That’s our guy. I think it Dylan Rialo.
 
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Calinative said:
Honestly the most important "training" imo is like learning defenses and the Why.

Invest in the best ai/vr QB training **** that is on the market, that they can just sit in a room in the hecht in and run simulation after simulation to learn.

These guys all have their QB coaches they learn for the footwork or the arm motion **** with .

They should be on their own throwing balls to WRs too...


Literally I'd rather spend $1M on some advanced technology like that than a dedicated QB coach... Just saying
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Have you played football before?

My brother, WHAT THE **** DO YOU BE SAYING!?

I’ve seen a lot of porsts. Ive made some. But my God!! Sit back read and learn. You’re intelligent. You just don’t know ball. Before you press send…. Dont.
 

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Calinative said:
Honestly the most important "training" imo is like learning defenses and the Why.

Invest in the best ai/vr QB training **** that is on the market, that they can just sit in a room in the hecht in and run simulation after simulation to learn.

These guys all have their QB coaches they learn for the footwork or the arm motion **** with .

They should be on their own throwing balls to WRs too...


Literally I'd rather spend $1M on some advanced technology like that than a dedicated QB coach... Just saying
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With that being said. Nothing wrong with incorporating this training but nothing replaces live repetition with HANDS ON COACHING FROM AN ESTABLISHED QUARTERBACK COACH
 
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