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Idk why some of you are so concerned about Nickel as our starter

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MedleyCane said:
All this to say that aside from Beck, Mario had a very mediocre pool of QBs on his roster. If this is true, then Mario and his staff did a poor job of handling situation at the most important position in football. Roster mismanagement.
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"Aside from Beck"

Why aside from Beck? You cant remove the starter and judge a qb room off its backups.

I do agree, Judd Anderson was a terrible take.

Nickel on the other hand, was a baller in HS. Solid 4 star prospect. He was a true freshman this year. Too early for me to call him a bust yet.

Dereon Coleman, another 4 star. Productive HS player.

Last two years at QB have been solid. Judd was atrocious and Emory was very questionable. So Mario adapted his strategy off the first two years....but now that takes time.

We will continue to hit the portal until the young guys show they are ready. Next years QB room is not final, so to try to judge it yet is premature. But I see the board is in panic mode this morning. A lot of personality traits are showing themselves today.
 
He could be good OP, but he could also be hot garbage, and therein lies the rub. I think that’s what has everyone concerned. You knew what you were getting in Cam. You knew what you were getting in Carson. We have no idea what we’re getting in Emory/Nickel. Will Emory magically turn into a first round talent from now until game 1? Will Nickel be at least on par with Beck? I think I know what the answer to both of these questions will be for most on here including me. The problem is the uncertainty, and this program is at a place right now where we unequivocally should not be having to deal with uncertainty at the most important position on the field.
 
Cribby said:
That’s not how you decide on your future qb. If I’m a coach I need to see it now before I’m comfortable handing my program off to you. Taking guys on potential is the number one reason Gm’s get fired. Production is best bet. Hence why coaches go to the portal for their qb. Far less risk if he’s shown he can do it elsewhere.

Now I’m not saying he won’t be that guy but to this point he’s shown he needs a lot of work before handing things off to him.
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Well yes and no. That’s how you get fired in the nfl. It’s not apples to apples in college football.
 
JustAFanHTX said:
Well yes and no. That’s how you get fired in the nfl. It’s not apples to apples in college football.
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Potential is the most dangerous word in the scouting world . But yes I’m speaking on college . The potential part is everywhere, every level . Give me production over potential if my career is on the line. Cignetti echoes that the first sentence whenever he’s asked about how he’s successful.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
"At some point you need to play your recruited QBs"

That point is when they look good and ready to take over behind the scenes. You guys act like Mario doesnt get to see them every day in practice. Why is this concept so hard to understand for some?

You dont earn a starting QB job at Miami just because "at some point we got to play our recruited QBs".....no you earn it when you fckin earn it. Ball out in practice. When you get a shot in mop up duty, dont underthrow your only pass by 20 yards. Etc.
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No you recruit the right players. How is it Pitt and ND started freshman?
 
Cribby said:
Potential is the most dangerous word in the scouting world . But yes I’m speaking on college . The potential part is everywhere, every level . Give me production over potential if my career is on the line. Cignetti echoes that the first sentence whenever he’s asked about how he’s successful.
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I mean yeah. Sure. You’re not wrong. In the context of the convo tho it was can you give the guy reps with scholarship players and see what he’s got lol not hand him the keys
 
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JustAFanHTX said:
No one gets fired for missing on a qb eval in college. It doesn’t happen.
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I think you missed my point . Basing your takes on potential vs production is how you end up fired. It only takes one bad year of losing momentum with a program , fans and boosters. Two years is a trend . Coaches don’t want to flirt with that. Hence why they bring in sure things versus guys that haven’t produced. It’s common sense.
 
For the record I’m more of a Coleman fan. I’m just not a fan of how HS QB recruits are treated in the current climate.
 
Cribby said:
I think you missed my point . Basing your takes on potential vs production is how you end up fired. It only takes one bad year of losing momentum with a program , fans and boosters. Two years is a trend . Coaches don’t want to flirt with that. Hence why they bring in sure things versus guys that haven’t produced. It’s common sense.
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Fired where? The university of Miami or Toledo? No one is getting fired if a QB doesn’t work out. They get fired when they don’t have a contingency plan.
 
But I think your overall point is right I don’t wanna sound like I’m arguing to argue @Cribby but in perspective there are only about 8 or 9 good qb’s in the pros. Even fewer that move the needle for a **** poor roster in college.
 
it's nothing against nickel or any other inexperienced qb

but experience at qb wins

look at will Howard, mendoza/beck,etc
 
JustAFanHTX said:
But I think your overall point is right I don’t wanna sound like I’m arguing to argue @Cribby but in perspective there are only about 8 or 9 good qb’s in the pros. Even fewer that move the needle for a **** poor roster in college.
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There’s not many good qb’s anywhere lol. As I posted earlier “ qb teaching / development is as bad as its every been”. Then folks wonder why qb’s are trending downward . Coaches on the lower college levels are the only ones developing . In the NFL there’s only a handful of guys.
 
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Cribby said:
There’s not many good qb’s anywhere lol. As I posted earlier “ qb teaching / development is as bad as its every been”. Then folks wonder why qb’s are trending downward . Coaches on the lower college levels are the only ones developing . In the NFL there’s only a handful of guys.
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I am often wrong but I do think our trend of portal guys ends soon. Coleman is a guy we’re gonna try with. I think
 
OldhamA said:
I never understood why Williams was the first guy off the bench this year. We know he's not good enough.

I get the staff like his character, but if he portals out he portals out - you needed to give reps to Nickel and maybe even Anderson to see what they have.
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Nah a second string QBs role on THAT PARTICULAR TEAM isn't development. It's consistency. He comes in the game simply to hold the fort down. Now it's different if you're saying it's a blow out and give some reps up. In that instance I would agree on nickel. BUT I understand Emory because you don't want rust you can't get off of him.
 
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