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Icoming LB shocks Miami Coaches

canesthang22 said:
AUcane said:
Coach Macho said:
AUcane said:
Coach Macho said:
That is fast for a Linebacker...

IF HE WAS A LINEBACKER.

He's 189lbs.
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Stop obsessing over weight. How heave was grace at the same age? These burner types are fine. Of course not all your LBs are going to be his size but it's nothing bad. Guys like armstead, Darin smith, etc were all that size at that age. Imo, if he gets up to 230 in year 3, he's fine. Besides, these types of kids are great assets for special teams coverage units.
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First off...you're talking to the wrong one if you're thinking that I obsess about weight.

Second...all I said is that it's fast for a Linebacker, if he was a Linebacker. (which, at 189lbs, he's not right now)
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Yeah, I was mainly directing it at the common theme in this thread and other threads that have a hard time with weight.

On the other hand, you say you don't obsess about weight yet you say he's not a LB because he's 189 pounds. Those 2 statements don't really go, imo. Many 230 LB types in college are in the 190 range as JRs in HS.
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Yea but hes about to graduate. 189 to 230 probably wont happen. Maybe 220 but he will probably be 215 tops.
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My bad, I thought this kid was finishing his JR year of HS.

In any case, yeah, he might get to 220 by year 3 but that's fine for college, imo, especially if he has speed to burn. And like I've said in the past, 210-220 pound LBs who can fly are hallmarks of good special team coverage units. You need those guys.
 
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I'm just saying...

When he grows into a Linebacker and runs a 10.7 that will be truly impressive. Right now he's just a 189lb kid who happened to play LB in high school.
 
John Vilma showed up as a true freshman under 200 running a 4.9 forty, and he left miami at 230 running a 4.5
 
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Add guys like Darrin Smith, Armstead, Twan Russell, Vilma, Spence, and countless others were sub 200 guys leaving HS and guys like Lewis, Webster, Morgan, et al, were all not much bigger than that.
 
I don't care what he weighs as long as it's not some ridiculously low number. If he can run and is a football player with good football instincts I'll take him. Too many combine nerds get caught up in height and weight nonsense and don't pay enough attention to whether or not a guy can play.
 
Good weight can be put on in chunks. Years of speed training will knock off a couple of tents at best, and your quickness is mostly just what it is. Much like height, speed can't be taught.
 
But do you also like a 189 pound Inside Linebackers? I assume not. Although I'm not terribly worried either this kid was bound for a redshirt year out of the gate.
 
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Paranos said:
James King can play, here are his junior highlights from 2013 season. He reminds me of 2007 LB/SS Lavonte David from MNW, who is now with the Bucs playing at 230lbs. David ended up at Juco then Nebraska where he was an All American, so there is another SFL kid one missed on (but that was on Randy Shannon).

[HUDL]athlete/2611639/highlights/138253379[/HUDL]
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Like His tape, kid can fly.
 
brock said:
Armbrister came in at 190 and ended up being 243 just saying....
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Armbrister was/is at least 6'3"; his High School said he was a 4.4/40 "Track guy."

YET, when he left UM, it was indeed as a 230+ lbs LB, and as 4.7+/40 plodder.

While this S&C program can keep the truly elite player gaining weight without losing much speed, i.e., Duke, they don't do a good job developing your average joe Football player in keeping their speed. See if the now-bulkier Walter Tucker can keep his former Track speed, and get back to me.
 
Cane2 said:
brock said:
Armbrister came in at 190 and ended up being 243 just saying....
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Armbrister was/is at least 6'3"; his High School said he was a 4.4/40 "Track guy."

YET, when he left UM, it was indeed as a 230+ lbs LB, and as 4.7+/40 plodder.

While this S&C program can keep the truly elite player gaining weight without losing much speed, i.e., Duke, they don't do a good job developing your average joe Football player in keeping their speed. See if the now-bulkier Walter Tucker can keep his former Track speed, and get back to me.
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You really believe what high schools report for player's 40 times? The only times I trust are from combines/camps. Everything else, you got to take with a grain of salt.

Look at last year's class as an example:
Juwon Young went from 4.5 to 4.75 as soon as he got to UM for his first testing.
Tyre Brady went from 4.44 to 4.86
Marques ***ot went from 4.6 to 4.87
Calvin Heurtelou from 4.98 to 5.66
Terry McCray from 4.7 to 5.14
Chad Thomas from 4.7 to 4.91
Demetrius Jackson from 4.6 to 4.85
Ryan Mayes from 4.5 to 4.66
Mike Smith from 4.86 to 5.22

yeah, you get the point. The only guy that got faster was Courtel Jenkins. He went from a 5.72 to 5.53.

Last year Armbrister tested at 4.73, his best time of the 3 runs was a 4.62. I believe this was hand timed. he ran a 4.64 in 2013. I don't think he was ever a 4.4 guy in high school.

His proday results are slightly better than his last test at UM which is expected since they train for the pro days.:

Dates: 04/01/15
Height: 6016
Weight: 235
40 Yrd Dash: 4.69
20 Yrd Dash: 2.69
10 Yrd Dash: 1.64
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.44
3-Cone Drill: 6.89

8/2014
Thurston Armbrister's results: 4.73-second average 40-yard dash (4.62 best 40 time in three tries), 4.42 20-yard shuttle, 18 reps of 225, 415 squat, 286 power clean, 335 bench press, 32 vertical

Do you really think he would have been a unranked prospect if he ran a 4.4 at 6'3" 195? He has a 4.57 verified 40 time at UA Combine which is pretty good but that is no 4.4. He probably ran that when he was 180 lbs.
 
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The Franchise said:
I don't care what he weighs as long as it's not some ridiculously low number. If he can run and is a football player with good football instincts I'll take him. Too many combine nerds get caught up in height and weight nonsense and don't pay enough attention to whether or not a guy can play.
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Finally something we can agree on! Stay tuned for a public service announcement: Fire Al Golden
 
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