I think I see Richt's dilemma

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I think Richt is going to be the Buck Showalter of college football. Great manager, gets a team going in the right direction, can't win a championship, gets replaced, next guy wins championship the following season. I have no doubt that Richt will refill the cupboard by year 5 and Miami will have very good to excellent talent at every position. He won't have all elite talent, but you don't have to be elite everywhere to win a ring if the rest of the team is very good.

Year six Miami brings in an innovative coach, who runs a high tempo spread offense. Miami speed blows teams off the field. New coach lands 1-2 elite kids (kind that will takeover a game), and he wins multiple rings with Richt's players. Williams will be a RS Junior year 6 and will be a Heisman candidate.

Long story short, I've come to terms that Richt is the coach we need at the moment, but I've made peace with the fact that he isn't winning a ring. That's doesn't mean we made a bad hire, because the next guy will be inheriting a loaded team thanks to Richt and we get number 6&7.
That's all well and good but you are taking a gigantic leap of faith in assuming that this administration and BOT have the football acumen to make that type of great innovative hire. Maybe by that time a guy like Josh Heupel, Dino Babers, Matt Campbell or whoever fits our criteria will be ready to take on the kind of unique challenges that come with being the head coach at UM. I do like the idea.
 
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That's all well and good but you are taking a gigantic leap of faith in assuming that this administration and BOT have the football acumen to make that type of great innovative hire. Maybe by that time a guy like Josh Heupel, Dino Babers, Matt Campbell or whoever fits our criteria will be ready to take on the kind of unique challenges that come with being the head coach at UM. I do like the idea.

Another name: Phil Montgomery. From the Art Briles coaching tree. Coach of the Tulsa "Golden Hurricane." He's already a Cane. Doesn't get much better than that!

Tulsa’s junkyard wars offense
 
Another name: Phil Montgomery. From the Art Briles coaching tree. Coach of the Tulsa "Golden Hurricane." He's already a Cane. Doesn't get much better than that!

Tulsa’s junkyard wars offense
That was a great read. Very interesting. I love coaches who do more with less. That to me is the very essence of coaching. Imagine what a smart innovative coach like that could do here. While I love Montgomery and what he could bring to the table, our BOT would never approve of him because of the Briles/Baylor thing. You have to be squeaky clean to get hired here and realistically that greatly cuts down our options. Hopefully they prove me wrong next time we're in the market for a new head football coach.
 
We know Rosier is awful. Perry and Weldon may be adequate. However, Williams is his hand picked heir apparent. If he were to give substantial playing time to Jarren, and he proves to be equal or better than the other two backups, he runs the risk of both of them jumping ship.

That would be a nightmare scenario considering we have no plans to recruit a QB in the 2019 class. Therefore he will give him limited playing time in mop up without giving up a red shirt. This still keeps the job up for grabs next season. He should be elevating both Perry and Weldon now with decent reps to keep them in the fold for next season. Lord knows we will need the depth.


Way to try and pump sunshine. Jarren was someone we completely lucked out on. Our incompetent QB recruiter was all over Sitz.

Richt hand picked a dude that doesnt care enough about the team or game to go to class.
 
That was a great read. Very interesting. I love coaches who do more with less. That to me is the very essence of coaching. Imagine what a smart innovative coach like that could do here. While I love Montgomery and what he could bring to the table, our BOT would never approve of him because of the Briles/Baylor thing. You have to be squeaky clean to get hired here and realistically that greatly cuts down our options. Hopefully they prove me wrong next time we're in the market for a new head football coach.

The article makes it sound like Montgomery wasn't implicated at all in the Baylor/Briles stuff.
FWIW, I found another article that basically says Monty's reputation is still good in college football (as opposed to Art Briles)

Bill Haisten: Baylor relationship benefited Philip Montgomery at one time, but not anymore

I get what you mean on Miami not wanting to be associated with the Baylor scandal, but because he got out of Baylor before the hammer fell and was cleared of any wrongdoing I think could still be considered a candidate.
 
We know Rosier is awful. Perry and Weldon may be adequate. However, Williams is his hand picked heir apparent. If he were to give substantial playing time to Jarren, and he proves to be equal or better than the other two backups, he runs the risk of both of them jumping ship.

That would be a nightmare scenario considering we have no plans to recruit a QB in the 2019 class. Therefore he will give him limited playing time in mop up without giving up a red shirt. This still keeps the job up for grabs next season. He should be elevating both Perry and Weldon now with decent reps to keep them in the fold for next season. Lord knows we will need the depth.
You bring up, what should be an obvious point but many do not take the time to think things through. The fanatical view on this board is so superficial it is almost unbearable to read at times.
 
The article makes it sound like Montgomery wasn't implicated at all in the Baylor/Briles stuff.
FWIW, I found another article that basically says Monty's reputation is still good in college football (as opposed to Art Briles)

Bill Haisten: Baylor relationship benefited Philip Montgomery at one time, but not anymore

I get what you mean on Miami not wanting to be associated with the Baylor scandal, but because he got out of Baylor before the hammer fell and was cleared of any wrongdoing I think could still be considered a candidate.
If he has been officially cleared then that's a different story and he should be good to go. Montgomery is certainly an interesting coach and one I will be keeping an eye on. I don't think Richt is going anywhere anytime soon but he won't be here forever and I really enjoy studying other up and coming coaches and their different and unique ways of doing things. I think UM should go back to it's roots in terms of being an innovator. We may not have enough depth and talent to match Alabama and Clemson now but if we hire one of these bright young innovators in the future we could really be onto something especially considering our local talent base. Until that day however I trust Richt will continue to add talent and will end up leaving this program in drastically better shape then when he inherited it.
 
When Butch Da Gawd fin ally got tired of Kenny Kelly, you think he gave a **** when he put Ken Dorsey in there? Dorsey played 3 big east chumps and scored like 50 points all 3 times, Butch could give a **** who left after that because he had his qb.
 
Here is the thing with coach richt, when you got 2 heisman qb's on your resume, its hard to not think you dont know what you're doing with that position. Under coach richt, alot of his qb's have played in the nfl, he just doesnt have a history of playing alot of young qb's. No one should be judging coach richt as longs rosier is starting, in my opinion, coach richt is doing the smart thing, he's building this team from the ground up, he knows and understands that this team is not going anywhere until the o-lline situation gets fixed, so he'd rather let rosier get beat down than to put cade or jarren in behind that o-line against lsu. Keep in mind though, had perry not been suspended, i do think he would've played em tho.

In reality, with the way this roster was going to be, this staff has gotten alot out of them, the biggest downfall this year is, if we're going to be bad on 3rd down, the punting game has to be strong, otherwise, we gotta be able to put up points. This is year 3 of the rebuild/build up, im not worried at all, coach richt might still be looking for the next charlie ward to much tho, cause prior to charlie he always ran a more physical offense. Also he does not always have to have a mobile qb as well. So in reality, this team is on track, we might have been a lil further ahead in my opinion if art kehoe was still coaching the o-line, be that as it may, this team will get stronger and stronger every year.

As the headcoach, he almost has to do it the way he's doing it under the circumstances, its smart recruiting wise cause receivers coming in will know who they'll have seasoned qb's throwing to them.

The fan base are being impatient with the wrong guy, all coach richt has to do is what he knows to do and ignore the outside noise. People looking around the country trying to compare what richt should be doing with the qb situation to clemson, UGA, Bama and whoever else started young qb's is comical, why would coach richt do that when he knows we got a suspect o-line, those schools can get away with it cause their o-lines have been real good. This is why coach richt lets the 2's go against the 1's, cause if the 2's are able to rise above the ones consistently, that's when you know they're ready, right now its about building depth. The future is bright at UM, but keep in mind, this season is not over, the younger players are being protected properly and rightfully so, they all will get their time.

Coach dugans will continue to have his group playing at an elite level no matter who the qb is, same with coach brown, you can see the jess simpson affect already so as he continues to groom guys cause if anybody is being real, we are behind when it comes to d-linemen, coach kul and the moron regime before him jacked that up, so we're in catch up mode, particulalrly at d-tackle, the numbers wont be right until probably next recruiting cycle but we'll be able to work around out scoring people soon, as of right now, the young talent is being groomed, as long as they keep working, we'll be straight, the problem for real right now with this team is, and i was surprised but i heard to many coaches passing out to much praise to the team in the media, talking about how well they've been doing and this and that, than when we go up against lsu, they saying one/the first touchdown given up got the team morale down.

I kept saying prior to the game that it was to much soft talk by the players like Ahmon, cager and rosier when it came to answering questions about are the young guys ready, that was unecessary, obviously the actual game will answer that, and some of the coaches were talking about it to much too.

Coach richt is building a program, the frame work is in place, in all honesty, we should began to look like the team we are suppose to be by the midway point or end of next season, right now, just enjoy the journey.
 
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Also when you go back, i remember the butch davis blue print, i was frustrated watching the early years of butch davis coached teams, but i respect how he did it, he wasnt coaching to impress nobody, his first 3 years here, he concentrated on getting guys in who could control the line of scrimmage, so those who remember, all he did alot of games was run the ball on 3 straight downs, run right, run left, 3rd down run again, punt the balll. But what he was doing was, he was staying commited to what the identity of this team was going to be and that's being physical and by the ucla game, edgerrin was the epitome of that of that commitmet. But davis is a defensive guy so his football philosophy was play strong defense, dont let the offense mess us up, they had to earn the right to pass the ball, coach richt being an offensive guy could not deal with that type of frustration.

But it maybe necessary again, but we'll see.
 
Here is the thing with coach richt, when you got 2 heisman qb's on your resume, its hard to not think you dont know what you're doing with that position. Under coach richt, alot of his qb's have played in the nfl, he just doesnt have a history of playing alot of young qb's. No one should be judging coach richt as longs rosier is starting, in my opinion, coach richt is doing the smart thing, he's building this team from the ground up, he knows and understands that this team is not going anywhere until the o-lline situation gets fixed, so he'd rather let rosier get beat down than to put cade or jarren in behind that o-line against lsu. Keep in mind though, had perry not been suspended, i do think he would've played em tho.

In reality, with the way this roster was going to be, this staff has gotten alot out of them, the biggest downfall this year is, if we're going to be bad on 3rd down, the punting game has to be strong, otherwise, we gotta be able to put up points. This is year 3 of the rebuild/build up, im not worried at all, coach richt might still be looking for the next charlie ward to much tho, cause prior to charlie he always ran a more physical offense. Also he does not always have to have a mobile qb as well. So in reality, this team is on track, we might have been a lil further ahead in my opinion if art kehoe was still coaching the o-line, be that as it may, this team will get stronger and stronger every year.

As the headcoach, he almost has to do it the way he's doing it under the circumstances, its smart recruiting wise cause receivers coming in will know who they'll have seasoned qb's throwing to them.

The fan base are being impatient with the wrong guy, all coach richt has to do is what he knows to do and ignore the outside noise. People looking around the country trying to compare what richt should be doing with the qb situation to clemson, UGA, Bama and whoever else started young qb's is comical, why would coach richt do that when he knows we got a suspect o-line, those schools can get away with it cause their o-lines have been real good. This is why coach richt lets the 2's go against the 1's, cause if the 2's are able to rise above the ones consistently, that's when you know they're ready, right now its about building depth. The future is bright at UM, but keep in mind, this season is not over, the younger players are being protected properly and rightfully so, they all will get their time.

Coach dugans will continue to have his group playing at an elite level no matter who the qb is, same with coach brown, you can see the jess simpson affect already so as he continues to groom guys cause if anybody is being real, we are behind when it comes to d-linemen, coach kul and the moron regime before him jacked that up, so we're in catch up mode, particulalrly at d-tackle, the numbers wont be right until probably next recruiting cycle but we'll be able to work around out scoring people soon, as of right now, the young talent is being groomed, as long as they keep working, we'll be straight, the problem for real right now with this team is, and i was surprised but i heard to many coaches passing out to much praise to the team in the media, talking about how well they've been doing and this and that, than when we go up against lsu, they saying one/the first touchdown given up got the team morale down.

I kept saying prior to the game that it was to much soft talk by the players like Ahmon, cager and rosier when it came to answering questions about are the young guys ready, that was unecessary, obviously the actual game will answer that, and some of the coaches were talking about it to much too.

Coach richt is building a program, the frame work is in place, in all honesty, we should began to look like the team we are suppose to be by the midway point or end of next season, right now, just enjoy the journey.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Miami fans CAN'T wait till the middle of next season for the team to Top 10 worth. Heck, there's a host of Miami fans whom want Richt's scalp.:biggrin-new:
 
Since when did Miami need a Saban or Meyer? No coach has ever had pedigree before coming here. So are you guys admitting that the state of Miami doesnt exist anymore?

When did Miami ever need a great coach? a good coach? sure. a great? nah.

Bringing up Richts past and all that 10 win **** at Georgia shouldnt mean **** cuz Miami/Florida boys built different right?
or are those days gone? cuz you cant have both
Not to mention, he averaged 10 wins for 15 seasons during a time when the regular season was 11 and 12 games plus a bowl. Then they added conference championship games and everything was stretched to a maximum of 13 games.

For 15 years he averaged only losing 2 games. Very few people who have 15 years under their belt as HC can say the same.
 
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