I don't want to BBB, but I'd take him in a heartbeat

[Al Foil]

Mike Leach is a secret candidate.

House in the Keys.

Very tight with Jimmy.

Checks all the boxes.

Does not use agents.....he is a lawyer and negotiates his own deals. His name would never leak.

The Richt stuff could be the biggest smoke screen ever.......he could sneak in the back door.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Over Richt.

Neither is much of an innovator in terms of Xs and Os. Both are dependent on coordinators for the other side of the ball to be remotely successful. Neither one is going to bring in a spread em out and gash em for 50 points type offense. Both are probably over the hill.

But the best Butch team destroys any team Richt ever had, and Richt had all the resources and support imaginable.

Richt's last 2 DCs run a 3-4. I'm not vehemently opposed to a 3-4, but to be honest, when your entire recruiting base is made of players who play 4-3 cover 2 their whole lives, why run something completely foreign to them?

Richt's teams always get pushed around by the physical teams. His S&C emphasis leads me to believe Swasey will be running things for us. Aka, I don't think he cares all that much about S&C. Butch clearly did.

Go check my post history. I've been trashing Butch for weeks b/c I feel we owed it to ourselves to get it right this time. Clearly, Miami's admin STILL doesn't understand what our problems are. But if I have a choice between the two? No brainer I'd BBB.

This goes for any coach in football. you are only as good as your coordinators. Look at how OSU's offense under Meyer has dropped off since Tom Herman left. Same thing at UF once he lost Mullen and Strong.

 

[My2Sense]

To OP's point. Picture Butch at Miami for 15 years and compare that to Richt's 15 years at UGA.....you already know the answer

There's a lot of revisionist history going on around here. I understand the concern about Richt "not being able to win the big game". But let's not compare tenure at Georgia to what might have been at UM. Georgia was NOT a football powerhouse UNTIL Richt got there.

In the 15 years before Richt (1984 - the first post-Herschel Walker year to 1999), Georgia reached as many as 10 wins twice. TWICE in 15 years! In those same 15 years, they were 500 or worse 5 times.

In the 15 years Richt has been HC, they've won at least 10 games 9 times and only one season below 500.

I don't know if he'll win it all here. But to suggest he's some horrible hire is absurd.

 

[JD08]

I'm just glad we're having this discussion and not grousing over when they're going to fire Al Golden.

 

[canedoit]

Over Richt.

Neither is much of an innovator in terms of Xs and Os. Both are dependent on coordinators for the other side of the ball to be remotely successful. Neither one is going to bring in a spread em out and gash em for 50 points type offense. Both are probably over the hill.

But the best Butch team destroys any team Richt ever had, and Richt had all the resources and support imaginable.

Richt's last 2 DCs run a 3-4. I'm not vehemently opposed to a 3-4, but to be honest, when your entire recruiting base is made of players who play 4-3 cover 2 their whole lives, why run something completely foreign to them?

Richt's teams always get pushed around by the physical teams. His S&C emphasis leads me to believe Swasey will be running things for us. Aka, I don't think he cares all that much about S&C. Butch clearly did.

Go check my post history. I've been trashing Butch for weeks b/c I feel we owed it to ourselves to get it right this time. Clearly, Miami's admin STILL doesn't understand what our problems are. But if I have a choice between the two? No brainer I'd BBB.

I feel ya, Brother. It's exactly why I support the old man, UM does not have a real AD. It was a premature selection on my part, but so was identifying Golden and his male lover's horrifying coaching @ Temple.

They didn't take the hiring seriously last time, risking it on a Temple Whisperer. Their allegedly serious this time and we're targeting out of work and fired or waiting to be fired coaches.

No plan post Golden firing shows no plan pre Golden firing.

 

[miamifan007]

The thing is Butch being better than Richt doesnt actually make him the right hire. But clearly this admin has no clue what Miami actually needs, and Butch would be better than a Schiano or Richt.

Whoever we get, if their reason for hiring is APR, good behavior, and a nice smile, then we are fvcked either way.

This.

 

[CanesAreAble]

To OP's point. Picture Butch at Miami for 15 years and compare that to Richt's 15 years at UGA.....you already know the answer

There's a lot of revisionist history going on around here. I understand the concern about Richt "not being able to win the big game". But let's not compare tenure at Georgia to what might have been at UM. Georgia was NOT a football powerhouse UNTIL Richt got there.

In the 15 years before Richt (1984 - the first post-Herschel Walker year to 1999), Georgia reached as many as 10 wins twice. TWICE in 15 years! In those same 15 years, they were 500 or worse 5 times.

In the 15 years Richt has been HC, they've won at least 10 games 9 times and only one season below 500.

I don't know if he'll win it all here. But to suggest he's some horrible hire is absurd.

Richt is a good coach. He's just proven not to be elite. I think UGA and LSU have similar access to talent with a similar pedigree (LSU's last title before Saban was '58). A truly elite coach like Saban was able to clean up Gerry DiNardo's mess and turn LSU into a perennial power. I think an elite coach could/would do something similar in Athens.

Richt turned them into a program that expects titles. He just couldn't deliver. The troubling part about it is the head-scratching losses to inferior teams, the beatdowns in big games, and the poor record against Florida.

Good coach. Not elite. How will that transfer to Miami? My guess is similarly, which isn't terrible, just underwhelming when optimism is at its highest.

A guy like Mullen *might* be elite if given the opportunity.

 

[Jassid82]

Richt has won the SEC twice, the SEC east 6 times, gone 145-51, won 10+ games nine times and finished in the top 10 eight times.

And now you, of all people, is out in front leading the charge for Butch, who you've **** on since day 1, against Richt.

Seriously shut the **** up. Go to bed.

Here is the problem with these stats...These are not ELITE level statistics. I thought this is what we were in this for? To become elite again?

This guy GOT RAN OUT OF THE SEC because he couldnt hang with Nick, Les, and whoever is/was coaching at UF. So we have PROOF that Mark isnt elite. We've seen a glimpse of what Butch can do on TWO different occasions. He built an ELITE team that many will argue was the best team in the country by years end in 2000.

He built a UNC team that WOULD have been elite if Marvin Austin hadnt opened his big mouth while buying **** in the Louis Vuitton store on South Beach on one fateful Summer day..

We have PROOF that Butch CAN be elite. Yet you want to take a flyer on a guy who A) Doesnt look to me to have the passion to want to win a title...B) We dont know if he can consistantly recruit in SoFla head to head against Nick, Jimbo, Gus, and now Jim McElwain...and C) who in 15 years couldnt even lead ANY of those talented UGA teams close enough to even sniff the MNC game..

AND he will cost probably DOUBLE what Butch would take. And we really are considering this guy because it would be a "splash" hire? Smh.

 

[kryptonite]

Everyone keeps saying Ritch isn't elite, but is Butch? Seems to me that anybody in the running for this job at the amount we're willing to pay isn't going to have an elite record (at least not a very long one, or a very recent one). So it comes down to this: damaged goods or untested goods?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Butch oved Richt

I like richt but man butch is the answer for rt now

 

[JerseyCanes]

All the Candidates have there short comings. We can Pick apart every one... A God **** plant can win 8 games every year here.

But what this freaking program needs RIGHT NOW... is a culture change of Mental and Physical toughness.

That's what Separates Butch Davis from the pack and why he needs to be the coach. No other coach can bring that ...

JC

 

[Jimsartay]

i just dont think Richt is a better recruiter than Butch, right now we need to stop all the south florida poaching and keep these kids HOME!!!! Butch would come cheaper which would allow us to hire better coordinators , i just think Butch would give us the excitement we need, and how did monday go from Butch was hired to now hes our 4th option, i mean what VILMA tweeted out couldnt of been Bull S!@T

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Richt has won the SEC twice, the SEC east 6 times, gone 145-51, won 10+ games nine times and finished in the top 10 eight times.

And now you, of all people, is out in front leading the charge for Butch, who you've **** on since day 1, against Richt.

Seriously shut the **** up. Go to bed.

Here is the problem with these stats...These are not ELITE level statistics. I thought this is what we were in this for? To become elite again?

This guy GOT RAN OUT OF THE SEC because he couldnt hang with Nick, Les, and whoever is/was coaching at UF. So we have PROOF that Mark isnt elite. We've seen a glimpse of what Butch can do on TWO different occasions. He built an ELITE team that many will argue was the best team in the country by years end in 2000.

He built a UNC team that WOULD have been elite if Marvin Austin hadnt opened his big mouth while buying **** in the Louis Vuitton store on South Beach on one fateful Summer day..

We have PROOF that Butch CAN be elite. Yet you want to take a flyer on a guy who A) Doesnt look to me to have the passion to want to win a title...B) We dont know if he can consistantly recruit in SoFla head to head against Nick, Jimbo, Gus, and now Jim McElwain...and C) who in 15 years couldnt even lead ANY of those talented UGA teams close enough to even sniff the MNC game..

AND he will cost probably DOUBLE what Butch would take. And we really are considering this guy because it would be a "splash" hire? Smh.

Ok, you keep holding out for Nick Saban or Urban meyer, you know, that "homerun hire."

Miami fans are delusional turning their noses up at Les Miles, Mark Richt and Butch Davis.

 

[Sonny Long]

Over Richt.

Neither is much of an innovator in terms of Xs and Os. Both are dependent on coordinators for the other side of the ball to be remotely successful. Neither one is going to bring in a spread em out and gash em for 50 points type offense. Both are probably over the hill.

But the best Butch team destroys any team Richt ever had, and Richt had all the resources and support imaginable.

Richt's last 2 DCs run a 3-4. I'm not vehemently opposed to a 3-4, but to be honest, when your entire recruiting base is made of players who play 4-3 cover 2 their whole lives, why run something completely foreign to them?

Richt's teams always get pushed around by the physical teams. His S&C emphasis leads me to believe Swasey will be running things for us. Aka, I don't think he cares all that much about S&C. Butch clearly did.

Go check my post history. I've been trashing Butch for weeks b/c I feel we owed it to ourselves to get it right this time. Clearly, Miami's admin STILL doesn't understand what our problems are. But if I have a choice between the two? No brainer I'd BBB.

Butch is very much X's and O's. Dude won two Super Bowls as DC! Did you forget the Offense UM ran?

 

[Gatorhater]

Over Richt.

Neither is much of an innovator in terms of Xs and Os. Both are dependent on coordinators for the other side of the ball to be remotely successful. Neither one is going to bring in a spread em out and gash em for 50 points type offense. Both are probably over the hill.

But the best Butch team destroys any team Richt ever had, and Richt had all the resources and support imaginable.

Richt's last 2 DCs run a 3-4. I'm not vehemently opposed to a 3-4, but to be honest, when your entire recruiting base is made of players who play 4-3 cover 2 their whole lives, why run something completely foreign to them?

Richt's teams always get pushed around by the physical teams. His S&C emphasis leads me to believe Swasey will be running things for us. Aka, I don't think he cares all that much about S&C. Butch clearly did.

Go check my post history. I've been trashing Butch for weeks b/c I feel we owed it to ourselves to get it right this time. Clearly, Miami's admin STILL doesn't understand what our problems are. But if I have a choice between the two? No brainer I'd BBB.

Come into the light. I can confirm you trashing of Butch. I agree that Mark clarifies that the administration doesn't understand. No belief is that they still will do anything to prevent the return of Miami football but want to keep the big check for ACC. So we now get a better coach version of soft weak Golden. Mark will win coastal not doubt. He will not be outcoached enough to not. He might even take out noles once in a while. But never will he bring home the big one. He is soft like Al. Butch was are best chance to be the old Canes. Mark is our funeral director.

Let me meet you in the peace circle. I would rather Herman than Mark. I do not like his offense and want our old defense back above all, but at least Herman brought hope of savage. Mark will score points, especially with Kaaya, but we will be Miami Nice -- anyone remember JJ calling our defense that once -- before he made them beasts.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

I'm sure Tom Herman is the greatest coach of all time to you OP lol

How is your friend Charlie ******* doing?

Well he's done enough for a program like Texas to want him as HC. Looks like the goat Tom Herman had no other options available but to re-sign with Houston?? Lol clowns on this board rather have Herman over Richt or Butch, sorry but bringing up Strong doesn't make it sound better.

 

[Consigliere]

I'm sure Tom Herman is the greatest coach of all time to you OP lol

How is your friend Charlie ******* doing?

Well he's done enough for a program like Texas to want him as HC. Looks like the goat Tom Herman had no other options available but to re-sign with Houston?? Lol clowns on this board rather have Herman over Richt or Butch, sorry but bringing up Strong doesn't make it sound better.

How does Strong look today? I bet Texas realizes they made a mistake.

Yes, we would rather have Herman over those 2. That doesn't mean he is my top pick, it just means we know what we're getting with Butch and Richt. We would want to take the risk with the young coach who is 11-1 and murdering opponents in his first season. Would be interesting if he wins 12 games before the bowl game too!

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I'm sure Tom Herman is the greatest coach of all time to you OP lol

I don't understand why you hate Herman so much.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

I'm sure Tom Herman is the greatest coach of all time to you OP lol

How is your friend Charlie ******* doing?

Well he's done enough for a program like Texas to want him as HC. Looks like the goat Tom Herman had no other options available but to re-sign with Houston?? Lol clowns on this board rather have Herman over Richt or Butch, sorry but bringing up Strong doesn't make it sound better.

How does Strong look today? I bet Texas realizes they made a mistake.

Yes, we would rather have Herman over those 2. That doesn't mean he is my top pick, it just means we know what we're getting with Butch and Richt. We would want to take the risk with the young coach who is 11-1 and murdering opponents in his first season. Would be interesting if he wins 12 games before the bowl game too!

?? The fact that your point of view makes sense to you, just makes me glad that the ppl who are making the decisions aren't as delusional as the Herman slurpers on this board... you all only want Herman bc he hasn't been a HC long enough to have anything established that can be dissected.

Lol this idea that bc he's 11-1 in his 1st yr at a program any coach would be undefeated at right now?? How does that make him the best candidate available? Oh thats right it doesn't in real life, only on this board.

As much as you all try to say Herman is better than Strong or Fuente lol hes the one stuck in Houston while Fuente has a new job.... oh and i doubt Strong would have lost to UConn if he was HC at Houston though?

 

[Consigliere]

I'm sure Tom Herman is the greatest coach of all time to you OP lol

How is your friend Charlie ******* doing?

Well he's done enough for a program like Texas to want him as HC. Looks like the goat Tom Herman had no other options available but to re-sign with Houston?? Lol clowns on this board rather have Herman over Richt or Butch, sorry but bringing up Strong doesn't make it sound better.

How does Strong look today? I bet Texas realizes they made a mistake.

Yes, we would rather have Herman over those 2. That doesn't mean he is my top pick, it just means we know what we're getting with Butch and Richt. We would want to take the risk with the young coach who is 11-1 and murdering opponents in his first season. Would be interesting if he wins 12 games before the bowl game too!

?? The fact that your point of view makes sense to you, just makes me glad that the ppl who are making the decisions aren't as delusional as the Herman slurpers on this board... you all only want Herman bc he hasn't been a HC long enough to have anything established that can be dissected.

Lol this idea that bc he's 11-1 in his 1st yr at a program any coach would be undefeated at right now?? How does that make him the best candidate available? Oh thats right it doesn't in real life, only on this board.

As much as you all try to say Herman is better than Strong or Fuente lol hes the one stuck in Houston while Fuente has a new job.... oh and i doubt Strong would have lost to UConn if he was HC at Houston though?

I smell a potato. Try reading and thinking. You don't understand at all. Hopefully Strong can get that 5th win!