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I don't think Manny survives the weekend

OrangeBowlMagic said:
And let me preface this by saying I almost never, ever bet this team, and am usually WAY more optimistic than most fans. So, take this with a grain of salt, as I'm usually wrong (hence the reason I rarely bet on or against Miami).......but I think this is the last weekend for Manny here. I think we're going to get beaten rather convincingly on Saturday and, at 2-5 with yet another home loss on national TV in which we're not especially competitive as only a 3 point dog, they're going to have no choice but to finally let him go.

To me, NC State is the kind of team who can expose Miami badly. In a sense, they're a better Michigan State. The only teams that Miami can beat are teams with really poor defenses, like UVA and UNC (I know we didn't win, but both games were close and could have easily been wins), that they can potentially outscore. Or teams with very poor QBs that they can limit (App State). They can't beat good defenses. And they can't limit good QBs. If you're just a balanced team, Miami really has very little shot, because any good QB is going to score on our defense, and any good defense is going to punish our terrible OL.

NC State is exactly that, IMO. Devin Leary is a good player, and yet while he's not explosive (72nd in the country in YPA, -35 rushing yards on the year), he's very accurate and doesn't make many mistakes (65% completion rate, only 2 INTs in 6 games). Also, they have two kids who are in the top 4 in the conference in missed tackles forced. Zonovan Knight is 2nd with 35 and Ricky Person is 4th with 34. What does Miami struggle with? Limiting QB completion percentage (we're 79th in the country) and missing tackles (worst on planet Earth, possibly beyond). So, I really don't see our defense holding them under 30 points.

On offense, we've started insanely slow the last 2 games with TVD as the QB. In both his starts, we have a grand total of 1 first down in the first quarter of BOTH games combined. And what is the strength of the NC State team? Defense. This is NOT Virginia and NOT North Carolina. UVA is 106th in YPP allowed, UNC is 61st. NC State? 18th. How do they do it? They're near the bottom in sacks and TFLs, so they don't get a lot of negative plays. What they do is play smart, sound football, and they're EXCELLENT on 3rd downs. 2nd in the entire country in defensive 3rd down conversion % allowed. They also don't allow explosive plays. They've only allowed ONE play over 40 yards all year (In contrast, our defense has allowed 6). So they make you earn everything. Not a good recipe with an inaccurate, freshman QB (TVD has completed 47.2% of his passes against FBS competition, which were he qualified, would be far and away dead last in the entire country). So, I really don't see our offense scoring 30 or much above it, unless something really crazy happens (special teams/defensive TD, one of their DBs blows a hammy in coverage, penalties, etc). If this is a "normal" clean game, I really don't see how they don't win by 10+ points.

And if we go out there *AGAIN* against a team who has less talent on paper than we do, at home, on ESPN2, in primetime, and lose something like 35-23, how can you possibly justify keeping a 2-5 Manny when we'll essentially be officially eliminated from any and all of our preseason goals? I don't see how you can justify keeping him now, but I guess the dumbass thinking is "well, the games were close and the team is competitive". Sadly, I don't think that will be the case this week.

(All this to say, bet your life on Miami. We're going to win 58-10, because nothing makes any ******* sense around here)
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TVD's completion percentage is hurt substantially by dropped passes.
 
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Problem2 said:
These next two weeks are gonna be ugly fellas

Get ready for Mandy to get his **** pushed in
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If Virginia loses one more conference game and Miami wins out, see you in Charlotte lol
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I don’t think it needs to be a blowout, just a gut feeling. I think even a one point loss gets him fired as it should.

But I’m not even sweating it, he’s cooked, he’s done, he’s not going to be here next year. And to me that’s the most important aspect of it.

The reason I would be in favor for firing him now, is that that kind of thing usually gives a bump to the team. They coalesce and become more of a team. We saw it happen after Golden was fired. The team actually played better if you recall that year, after Golden was gone.

In any event, everyone has seen what they need to see, this was his make it or break it year. And he broke it. So he’s gone, rest assured of that.
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I’m late to the thread party, but manure being relieved of duty needs to occur PRIOR to FSpoo… no ifs, ands or paranos butts
 
AtlAtty said:
I don‘t see NC State blowing us out for a couple reasons, at least 1 of which is sure to be controversial.
1. Our offense is good enough to score 24 points in almost every game short of Bama. We have a pretty good QB, some good running backs and some good young receivers (Not so controversial)
2. Our OL gets better as the game goes on so Severn if we are down we have the ability to score and keep the game closer than it should be. I believe that UM is in better condition than most teams we have played, certainly UVA and UNC,a new this allowed the OL to contain pressure well in the 2nd half and open up some running lanes. (Controversial)

Yes I provided a positive about UM‘s conditioning. And you can slam me all you want but it was obvious in the past 2 games that the UM offense was better conditioned than the UVA and UNC defenses. And I beleive that factor, more than better play calling or a QB heating us, is the reason we came back in both games.
And I think conditioning is likely to help us again. Expect UM to be down by 14 at half and make it respectable in the 2nd half and lose by 7-10.
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Conditioning had nothing to do with it, what did was that both UVA and UNCs defenses are trash. Please don’t confuse NC states D with those two bums, states D is borderline elite and super intricate. Like NFL multi dimensional with all there formations and play book. They come at you from all angles and they are everything we aren’t, disciplined and Dont beat themselves with mistakes. They will eat our oline alive along with our big mouth QB that has done nothing to warrant talking crap. I believe that same big mouth QB threw 3 interceptions against a crappy UNC defense last week. Smh
 
Nc state has shown that it is still
Possible to bring back an older team that is improved. Whereas we bring back a team of 27 year olds and they’ve gotten worse every year
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
And let me preface this by saying I almost never, ever bet this team, and am usually WAY more optimistic than most fans. So, take this with a grain of salt, as I'm usually wrong (hence the reason I rarely bet on or against Miami).......but I think this is the last weekend for Manny here. I think we're going to get beaten rather convincingly on Saturday and, at 2-5 with yet another home loss on national TV in which we're not especially competitive as only a 3 point dog, they're going to have no choice but to finally let him go.

To me, NC State is the kind of team who can expose Miami badly. In a sense, they're a better Michigan State. The only teams that Miami can beat are teams with really poor defenses, like UVA and UNC (I know we didn't win, but both games were close and could have easily been wins), that they can potentially outscore. Or teams with very poor QBs that they can limit (App State). They can't beat good defenses. And they can't limit good QBs. If you're just a balanced team, Miami really has very little shot, because any good QB is going to score on our defense, and any good defense is going to punish our terrible OL.

NC State is exactly that, IMO. Devin Leary is a good player, and yet while he's not explosive (72nd in the country in YPA, -35 rushing yards on the year), he's very accurate and doesn't make many mistakes (65% completion rate, only 2 INTs in 6 games). Also, they have two kids who are in the top 4 in the conference in missed tackles forced. Zonovan Knight is 2nd with 35 and Ricky Person is 4th with 34. What does Miami struggle with? Limiting QB completion percentage (we're 79th in the country) and missing tackles (worst on planet Earth, possibly beyond). So, I really don't see our defense holding them under 30 points.

On offense, we've started insanely slow the last 2 games with TVD as the QB. In both his starts, we have a grand total of 1 first down in the first quarter of BOTH games combined. And what is the strength of the NC State team? Defense. This is NOT Virginia and NOT North Carolina. UVA is 106th in YPP allowed, UNC is 61st. NC State? 18th. How do they do it? They're near the bottom in sacks and TFLs, so they don't get a lot of negative plays. What they do is play smart, sound football, and they're EXCELLENT on 3rd downs. 2nd in the entire country in defensive 3rd down conversion % allowed. They also don't allow explosive plays. They've only allowed ONE play over 40 yards all year (In contrast, our defense has allowed 6). So they make you earn everything. Not a good recipe with an inaccurate, freshman QB (TVD has completed 47.2% of his passes against FBS competition, which were he qualified, would be far and away dead last in the entire country). So, I really don't see our offense scoring 30 or much above it, unless something really crazy happens (special teams/defensive TD, one of their DBs blows a hammy in coverage, penalties, etc). If this is a "normal" clean game, I really don't see how they don't win by 10+ points.

And if we go out there *AGAIN* against a team who has less talent on paper than we do, at home, on ESPN2, in primetime, and lose something like 35-23, how can you possibly justify keeping a 2-5 Manny when we'll essentially be officially eliminated from any and all of our preseason goals? I don't see how you can justify keeping him now, but I guess the dumbass thinking is "well, the games were close and the team is competitive". Sadly, I don't think that will be the case this week.

(All this to say, bet your life on Miami. We're going to win 58-10, because nothing makes any ******* sense around here)
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Tvd plays all 4 quarters the way he plays the last 2 quarters and this could go miami. Last years o put 46 on the same nc st team, as tvd said “it’s the same defense as last year”
 
Rickd said:
Still think status quo remains until after the Pitt game. With all of the rumors floating around .. Manny's fate is less important to the programs future than that of Blake James .. he needs to be fired first. "Rumors" (I am no insider .. just read a lot of 'stuff') .. are Blake is looking for a new challenge and UM is doing a low key search for a new AD. Hopefully a new AD can be identified and hired by the end of this month? Too much to hope for? Would be a great announcement after the Pitt blowout loss "Miami takes new direction by announcing the hiring of ########## as the new Athletic Director effective immediately" and by the end of his first week on the job "Miami's new AD announces the dismissal of Manny Diaz as head football coach".
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I don’t see why we would have to wait for a new AD to fire Manny. You would like a new AD to hire the new coach but you can fire Manny, interim takes over and by the time December rolls around, you will have a new AD with a new coach shortly afterward.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
It’s both. Go watch the film. TVD has been especially erratic early on, much more so than later in games. But I agree, the 3 games that King started we scored 0 points on our first drives of all those.
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When was the last game our Canes took the opening possession, marched downfield, amd scored a TD on the initial possession?
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
And let me preface this by saying I almost never, ever bet this team, and am usually WAY more optimistic than most fans. So, take this with a grain of salt, as I'm usually wrong (hence the reason I rarely bet on or against Miami).......but I think this is the last weekend for Manny here. I think we're going to get beaten rather convincingly on Saturday and, at 2-5 with yet another home loss on national TV in which we're not especially competitive as only a 3 point dog, they're going to have no choice but to finally let him go.

To me, NC State is the kind of team who can expose Miami badly. In a sense, they're a better Michigan State. The only teams that Miami can beat are teams with really poor defenses, like UVA and UNC (I know we didn't win, but both games were close and could have easily been wins), that they can potentially outscore. Or teams with very poor QBs that they can limit (App State). They can't beat good defenses. And they can't limit good QBs. If you're just a balanced team, Miami really has very little shot, because any good QB is going to score on our defense, and any good defense is going to punish our terrible OL.

NC State is exactly that, IMO. Devin Leary is a good player, and yet while he's not explosive (72nd in the country in YPA, -35 rushing yards on the year), he's very accurate and doesn't make many mistakes (65% completion rate, only 2 INTs in 6 games). Also, they have two kids who are in the top 4 in the conference in missed tackles forced. Zonovan Knight is 2nd with 35 and Ricky Person is 4th with 34. What does Miami struggle with? Limiting QB completion percentage (we're 79th in the country) and missing tackles (worst on planet Earth, possibly beyond). So, I really don't see our defense holding them under 30 points.

On offense, we've started insanely slow the last 2 games with TVD as the QB. In both his starts, we have a grand total of 1 first down in the first quarter of BOTH games combined. And what is the strength of the NC State team? Defense. This is NOT Virginia and NOT North Carolina. UVA is 106th in YPP allowed, UNC is 61st. NC State? 18th. How do they do it? They're near the bottom in sacks and TFLs, so they don't get a lot of negative plays. What they do is play smart, sound football, and they're EXCELLENT on 3rd downs. 2nd in the entire country in defensive 3rd down conversion % allowed. They also don't allow explosive plays. They've only allowed ONE play over 40 yards all year (In contrast, our defense has allowed 6). So they make you earn everything. Not a good recipe with an inaccurate, freshman QB (TVD has completed 47.2% of his passes against FBS competition, which were he qualified, would be far and away dead last in the entire country). So, I really don't see our offense scoring 30 or much above it, unless something really crazy happens (special teams/defensive TD, one of their DBs blows a hammy in coverage, penalties, etc). If this is a "normal" clean game, I really don't see how they don't win by 10+ points.

And if we go out there *AGAIN* against a team who has less talent on paper than we do, at home, on ESPN2, in primetime, and lose something like 35-23, how can you possibly justify keeping a 2-5 Manny when we'll essentially be officially eliminated from any and all of our preseason goals? I don't see how you can justify keeping him now, but I guess the dumbass thinking is "well, the games were close and the team is competitive". Sadly, I don't think that will be the case this week.

(All this to say, bet your life on Miami. We're going to win 58-10, because nothing makes any ******* sense around here)
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Eh. Not really. Losing to UVA and UNC is embarrassing to us, but they weren't some massive blowouts where the team was totally overmatched and flat-out embarrassed. I'm afraid to say I think that happens Saturday and it's going to be "enough is enough". A hard-fought 3 point loss isn't going to tip the scales any more than they already are, IMO. But getting beat by 10+ when you're kind of smacked around all night at home, you know, just like Michigan State and it being this late, I can see it happening. I just think the moral of the story is that this team is a really bad match-up for us. I think we actually have a better shot of beating Pitt than we do NC State, as weird as that may sound.
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When was the last time we beat a P5 team?
 
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