How we finish the season is important

[Jedi Master Cane]

I wanted to make this thread, but didn't have the stomach.

Golden is sticking around at least another year. The best thing for the program is a strong finish (for once), a bowl win (forgot what that feels like), and two months of psychotic recruiting.

We absolutely need this class to be good. There are marquee players, which Able highlighted, that we need to keep. And we need to add a couple more. Keep our studs, add Merrick and Callaway, close on Irvin, finish with a strong CB class and sign a couple JUCO/5th year front seven players to shore up depth. That's what we need.

With all due respect...I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Every day he stays it further sets the program back. Sorry...but I can't get onboard with this train of thought.

Given the set of current circumstances a "strong" finish is the worst possible thing that could happen to this program in both the short and long term.

What your shortsighted and simple-minded viewpoint fails to take into consideration is that a collapse down the stretch equals lost momentum, which equals losing recruits, which EVEN if it means golden getting fired, it means the next guy is left with a weak, depleted roster, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Why don't you try not acting like a 12 yr old boy and contributing something of substance to this site. The "root for looses or you're not a fan" shtick is getting real stale.

The shortsighted and simple minded view is "let's win"..." you always root for the Canes to win"

Winning, under these circumstances, is a loss. If I have to explain it further to help you reconcile this concept it's not worth the time.

I'll repeat...winning these last 2 games is the worst thing that can happen to this program. It would not only guarantee this moron another year but might even buy him more goodwill since we'll spend all offseason hearing about "a strong finish".

Never mind the fact those last 2 teams are average...at best. It would be example A of Fools gold.

 

[weownfsu]

It'll be hard to keep Golden if we lose to UVa. We need to get blown out.

 

[MiamiVice7]

A number of other ****-poor teams went toe-to-toe with the defending national champs.

The problem remains the same. Golden is Folden.

your rhetoric lacks steam this time around

Try blowing it out urass.

Meant to neg, not like. Plenty of other threads for you to play in.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Money talks and bullsh*t walks.

The ONLY way to sustain this idea that there IS momentum, and that something positive COULD be building for 2015, is for him to win the next two games. If we **** the bed the next few weeks, then its evident this latest little spurt has been a flash in the pan, and that its probably going to be another wasted year next year.

Kaaya and an improved defense should murder the Coastal next year, and should compete and can win the ACC. This even WITH Golden.

If he stumbles and ***** the bed the next 2 games, then the last few weeks have been a fluke. If we surprise and actually finish strong, then I will grant that there could be something optimistic brewing. As it is, Kaaya and the way the defense has played lately has given me some glimmer of optimism for next year.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

I wanted to make this thread, but didn't have the stomach.

Golden is sticking around at least another year. The best thing for the program is a strong finish (for once), a bowl win (forgot what that feels like), and two months of psychotic recruiting.

We absolutely need this class to be good. There are marquee players, which Able highlighted, that we need to keep. And we need to add a couple more. Keep our studs, add Merrick and Callaway, close on Irvin, finish with a strong CB class and sign a couple JUCO/5th year front seven players to shore up depth. That's what we need.

With all due respect...I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Every day he stays it further sets the program back. Sorry...but I can't get onboard with this train of thought.

Given the set of current circumstances a "strong" finish is the worst possible thing that could happen to this program in both the short and long term.

What your shortsighted and simple-minded viewpoint fails to take into consideration is that a collapse down the stretch equals lost momentum, which equals losing recruits, which EVEN if it means golden getting fired, it means the next guy is left with a weak, depleted roster, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Why don't you try not acting like a 12 yr old boy and contributing something of substance to this site. The "root for looses or you're not a fan" shtick is getting real stale.

The program keeps "trending up" for our long term safety, meanwhile Al keeps turning in 9-4 seasons. It doesn't matter how good our classes are, or if we have some sort of continuity with our current leadership, the program is stuck in limbo and will never, ever, ever be good under Golden. An all-star team of the 2000-2002 teams would go 9-4 with Golden.

So no, having a façade of a "strong" finish, or "building momentum" is probably the worst thing that could happen. There is going to be no "next guy" if that's the case.

I am not endorsing the staff. For example, winning out but giving up 500+ yards to UVA and Pitt might put more heat on Coach D, which allows the doomers to keep flyin their banners while still keeping the class in tact.

The point is that, unless you buy into the theory that we can hire a coach who can win to this fanbase's content with a roster that lacks talent and depth, any coach that comes in and doesn't win 10 games right away will be right on the hot seat just like Golden. And that is the vicious cycle. At some point we need some sort of continuity.

To me, that time is now. We all agree the team looks better the past 5 weeks. I don't see the point of wanting anything less than winning out to keep the momentum we have going. Why start from scratch when we don't have to?

We're at scratch, right now 6-4(3-3). We're losing the best player on both sides of the ball. Continuity is another 7-6/8-5/9-4 season. What we need is an overhaul. Win out and the Goldenbots will say "he finished 6-1, and we got another top 20 recruiting class," and give him another extension. We need something drastic. We need our Georgia Southern loss. He needs to be gone at any measure.

 

[terdferguson]

With all due respect...I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Every day he stays it further sets the program back. Sorry...but I can't get onboard with this train of thought.

Given the set of current circumstances a "strong" finish is the worst possible thing that could happen to this program in both the short and long term.

What your shortsighted and simple-minded viewpoint fails to take into consideration is that a collapse down the stretch equals lost momentum, which equals losing recruits, which EVEN if it means golden getting fired, it means the next guy is left with a weak, depleted roster, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Why don't you try not acting like a 12 yr old boy and contributing something of substance to this site. The "root for looses or you're not a fan" shtick is getting real stale.

The program keeps "trending up" for our long term safety, meanwhile Al keeps turning in 9-4 seasons. It doesn't matter how good our classes are, or if we have some sort of continuity with our current leadership, the program is stuck in limbo and will never, ever, ever be good under Golden. An all-star team of the 2000-2002 teams would go 9-4 with Golden.

So no, having a façade of a "strong" finish, or "building momentum" is probably the worst thing that could happen. There is going to be no "next guy" if that's the case.

I am not endorsing the staff. For example, winning out but giving up 500+ yards to UVA and Pitt might put more heat on Coach D, which allows the doomers to keep flyin their banners while still keeping the class in tact.

The point is that, unless you buy into the theory that we can hire a coach who can win to this fanbase's content with a roster that lacks talent and depth, any coach that comes in and doesn't win 10 games right away will be right on the hot seat just like Golden. And that is the vicious cycle. At some point we need some sort of continuity.

To me, that time is now. We all agree the team looks better the past 5 weeks. I don't see the point of wanting anything less than winning out to keep the momentum we have going. Why start from scratch when we don't have to?

We're at scratch, right now 6-4(3-3). We're losing the best player on both sides of the ball. Continuity is another 7-6/8-5/9-4 season. What we need is an overhaul. Win out and the Goldenbots will say "he finished 6-1, and we got another top 20 recruiting class," and give him another extension. We need something drastic. We need our Georgia Southern loss. He needs to be gone at any measure.

Even if we win out, which is a strong possibility, next year is it for Golden. If he doesn't have a very good season and get to the acc champ game, he's gone.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

What must be done eventually....must be done immediately.

I have a very hard time believing that losses in 2 out of our last 3 games (which for the Golden slurpers keeping track at home, would gives us 6 losses) would not get Golden fired.

 

[bbcane]

I am really hoping golden wins out ,and continues the trend of the last 4 games. And proves everyone including myself wrong. I am tired of the 4 yr, rinse-repeat cycle, and losing a whole recruiting class in the mean time.

Example 1.)
Florida’s firing of Will Muschamp further increases the Canes’ chances at Tim Irvin.

 

[Hstokes1447]

Getting rid of Golden would be stupid.

 

[maxterofdisaster]

It shouldn't be overlooked that Miami is a good football team right now. Not a great team, but a much improved team from earlier in the season. It can be argued they've incrementally improved in 4 straight games. It's a far cry from the regression we've grown accustomed to in recent years. The Canes have a chance to carry some real momentum into next season with a strong finish. That hasn't happened in a long time. I completely disagree with those rooting for us to fail. That ship has sailed (though I never agreed with it to begin with). This program badly needs a 3-0 finish.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

It shouldn't be overlooked that Miami is a good football team right now. Not a great team, but a much improved team from earlier in the season. It can be argued they've incrementally improved in 4 straight games. It's a far cry from the regression we've grown accustomed to in recent years. The Canes have a chance to carry some real momentum into next season with a strong finish. That hasn't happened in a long time. I completely disagree with those rooting for us to fail. That ship has sailed (though I never agreed with it to begin with). This program badly needs a 3-0 finish.

The money games will be the next two. That is what is going to tell the tale of the current direction. If we win out, I think a valid argument can be made that in contrast to last year, we actually do have momentum and seem to be on an upswing. I think the evidence would support that this team is improving and finished the year much better than it began, which would be an important difference from last year.

If they stumble, then its going to be the same **** as last year. Another uneven feeling with no real direction. I feel like the defensive improvement, and Kaaya's emergence has given this program a spark of optimism heading into next season. But the next two games are going to tell wether its real, or just a flash in the pan.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Some of you guys don't get it.

What would beating mediocre Virginia and Pitt squads accomplish other than giving Golden additional goodwill he doesn't deserve with the admins and buying himself more time.

Against the better teams on the schedule...the games that really matter...he continues to lose.

I know the resident idiot Don Bailey Jr clones on this site will cheer and applaud if we beat those two dead beat teams.....but for the love of God think about what you're rooting for and attempt to show some semblance of foresight.

We need to lose these last two games. Someway...somehow.

 

[scrantoncane]

I wanted to make this thread, but didn't have the stomach.

Golden is sticking around at least another year. The best thing for the program is a strong finish (for once), a bowl win (forgot what that feels like), and two months of psychotic recruiting.

We absolutely need this class to be good. There are marquee players, which Able highlighted, that we need to keep. And we need to add a couple more. Keep our studs, add Merrick and Callaway, close on Irvin, finish with a strong CB class and sign a couple JUCO/5th year front seven players to shore up depth. That's what we need.

With all due respect...I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Every day he stays it further sets the program back. Sorry...but I can't get onboard with this train of thought.

Given the set of current circumstances a "strong" finish is the worst possible thing that could happen to this program in both the short and long term.

What your shortsighted and simple-minded viewpoint fails to take into consideration is that a collapse down the stretch equals lost momentum, which equals losing recruits, which EVEN if it means golden getting fired, it means the next guy is left with a weak, depleted roster, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Why don't you try not acting like a 12 yr old boy and contributing something of substance to this site. The "root for looses or you're not a fan" shtick is getting real stale.

The shortsighted and simple minded view is "let's win"..." you always root for the Canes to win"

Winning, under these circumstances, is a loss. If I have to explain it further to help you reconcile this concept it's not worth the time.

I'll repeat...winning these last 2 games is the worst thing that can happen to this program. It would not only guarantee this moron another year but might even buy him more goodwill since we'll spend all offseason hearing about "a strong finish".

Never mind the fact those last 2 teams are average...at best. It would be example A of Fools gold.

Read my last post about what happens if we lose recruits and the vicious cycle that ensues. If you can give me a rational, level-headed response based on factual info, I will listen.

Simply saying "Folden must go and anyone who roots otherwise should kill them self" makes you look like a total douche.

If you can contribute substance, then let's have it. Explain how a true frosh qb going on the road SHOULD beat 2 top 25 teams. Explain how hanging tough with the champs, who said we were the best team theve played during their 26 game winstreak, isn't showing progress.

You guys get so caught up in the moment that you lose sight of the big picture. Again, I'm not supporting this staff. But if they adjust and turn things around, I am 1000% for them.

If you looked at me at 18 years old and looked at me now, to say a 180 is a laughish understatement. Point being, people change. Does that mean golden will? Not one bit. But what's the reason for rooting against it instead of for it, when we all know he is here next year?

An old friend and I love the phrase "what have Ya done for me lately?" Usually we use it when someone sucks. But in This case, golden lately has been adequate. I get the hatred after the GT loss, but come on- people change, people adjust. Maybe, just maybe, our true frosh qb is In a better spot now then against LV and NB on the road. Christ, you're really short sided to think otherwise.

Winning out is the best possible situation. Ride with me or don't - I don't care one lick. But I'm right.

The best thing for this program is to keep the momentum going. Us ******** (me included) that spend half their day reading the garbage on this site know way too much. The general public thinks like herbstreet, etc. All the Herbies LOVED what they saw sat night.

Yes. There will be a time where if golden doesn't produce he has to go. But if you seriously think that time is now, then you just aren't rational. When guys like you fly banners while guys like herbstreet say we are on the up, it makes me think you should be perma-banned. You're a cancer.

Neg me. All of you. It'll honestly make me feel better for hitting a nerve. Cause you all suck.

 

[rkhill71]

I need to see how we finish,we have some semblance to the old school canes these last few games. For a minute I thought that was a Jimmy Johnson coached team.Pump the brakes ,I said looked like.I still believe we some tweaks on the coaching staff!

 

[UMFarArcher]

I wanted to make this thread, but didn't have the stomach.

Golden is sticking around at least another year. The best thing for the program is a strong finish (for once), a bowl win (forgot what that feels like), and two months of psychotic recruiting.

We absolutely need this class to be good. There are marquee players, which Able highlighted, that we need to keep. And we need to add a couple more. Keep our studs, add Merrick and Callaway, close on Irvin, finish with a strong CB class and sign a couple JUCO/5th year front seven players to shore up depth. That's what we need.

With all due respect...I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Every day he stays it further sets the program back. Sorry...but I can't get onboard with this train of thought.

Given the set of current circumstances a "strong" finish is the worst possible thing that could happen to this program in both the short and long term.

What your shortsighted and simple-minded viewpoint fails to take into consideration is that a collapse down the stretch equals lost momentum, which equals losing recruits, which EVEN if it means golden getting fired, it means the next guy is left with a weak, depleted roster, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Why don't you try not acting like a 12 yr old boy and contributing something of substance to this site. The "root for looses or you're not a fan" shtick is getting real stale.

The shortsighted and simple minded view is "let's win"..." you always root for the Canes to win"

Winning, under these circumstances, is a loss. If I have to explain it further to help you reconcile this concept it's not worth the time.

I'll repeat...winning these last 2 games is the worst thing that can happen to this program. It would not only guarantee this moron another year but might even buy him more goodwill since we'll spend all offseason hearing about "a strong finish".

Never mind the fact those last 2 teams are average...at best. It would be example A of Fools gold.

Read my last post about what happens if we lose recruits and the vicious cycle that ensues. If you can give me a rational, level-headed response based on factual info, I will listen.

Simply saying "Folden must go and anyone who roots otherwise should kill them self" makes you look like a total douche.

If you can contribute substance, then let's have it. Explain how a true frosh qb going on the road SHOULD beat 2 top 25 teams. Explain how hanging tough with the champs, who said we were the best team theve played during their 26 game winstreak, isn't showing progress.

You guys get so caught up in the moment that you lose sight of the big picture. Again, I'm not supporting this staff. But if they adjust and turn things around, I am 1000% for them.

If you looked at me at 18 years old and looked at me now, to say a 180 is a laughish understatement. Point being, people change. Does that mean golden will? Not one bit. But what's the reason for rooting against it instead of for it, when we all know he is here next year?

An old friend and I love the phrase "what have Ya done for me lately?" Usually we use it when someone sucks. But in This case, golden lately has been adequate. I get the hatred after the GT loss, but come on- people change, people adjust. Maybe, just maybe, our true frosh qb is In a better spot now then against LV and NB on the road. Christ, you're really short sided to think otherwise.

Winning out is the best possible situation. Ride with me or don't - I don't care one lick. But I'm right.

The best thing for this program is to keep the momentum going. Us ******** (me included) that spend half their day reading the garbage on this site know way too much. The general public thinks like herbstreet, etc. All the Herbies LOVED what they saw sat night.

Yes. There will be a time where if golden doesn't produce he has to go. But if you seriously think that time is now, then you just aren't rational. When guys like you fly banners while guys like herbstreet say we are on the up, it makes me think you should be perma-banned. You're a cancer.

Neg me. All of you. It'll honestly make me feel better for hitting a nerve. Cause you all suck.

Whatever, Al.

If you can't see the flaws in Golden's personality that blames players for his mistakes, then you're blind as a bat.

If you can't see the constant failures to misuse the talent on the team, you're blind.

If you can't see Golden's Choke Factor, you haven't been watching.

If you can't see Golden's tendencies - documented and discussed here at length, then go back to whatever you're doing, as you have to be as dense as a post.

If you can't see his recruiting gaps, you're not paying attention.

If you can't see that we're currently 6-4 in Golden's fourth year - then Stevie Wonder has better vision than you.

Unless.

You don't WANT to see.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I wanted to make this thread, but didn't have the stomach.

Golden is sticking around at least another year. The best thing for the program is a strong finish (for once), a bowl win (forgot what that feels like), and two months of psychotic recruiting.

We absolutely need this class to be good. There are marquee players, which Able highlighted, that we need to keep. And we need to add a couple more. Keep our studs, add Merrick and Callaway, close on Irvin, finish with a strong CB class and sign a couple JUCO/5th year front seven players to shore up depth. That's what we need.

With all due respect...I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Every day he stays it further sets the program back. Sorry...but I can't get onboard with this train of thought.

Given the set of current circumstances a "strong" finish is the worst possible thing that could happen to this program in both the short and long term.

What your shortsighted and simple-minded viewpoint fails to take into consideration is that a collapse down the stretch equals lost momentum, which equals losing recruits, which EVEN if it means golden getting fired, it means the next guy is left with a weak, depleted roster, and the vicious cycle starts all over again.

Why don't you try not acting like a 12 yr old boy and contributing something of substance to this site. The "root for looses or you're not a fan" shtick is getting real stale.

The shortsighted and simple minded view is "let's win"..." you always root for the Canes to win"

Winning, under these circumstances, is a loss. If I have to explain it further to help you reconcile this concept it's not worth the time.

I'll repeat...winning these last 2 games is the worst thing that can happen to this program. It would not only guarantee this moron another year but might even buy him more goodwill since we'll spend all offseason hearing about "a strong finish".

Never mind the fact those last 2 teams are average...at best. It would be example A of Fools gold.

Read my last post about what happens if we lose recruits and the vicious cycle that ensues. If you can give me a rational, level-headed response based on factual info, I will listen.

Simply saying "Folden must go and anyone who roots otherwise should kill them self" makes you look like a total douche.

If you can contribute substance, then let's have it. Explain how a true frosh qb going on the road SHOULD beat 2 top 25 teams. Explain how hanging tough with the champs, who said we were the best team theve played during their 26 game winstreak, isn't showing progress.

You guys get so caught up in the moment that you lose sight of the big picture. Again, I'm not supporting this staff. But if they adjust and turn things around, I am 1000% for them.

If you looked at me at 18 years old and looked at me now, to say a 180 is a laughish understatement. Point being, people change. Does that mean golden will? Not one bit. But what's the reason for rooting against it instead of for it, when we all know he is here next year?

An old friend and I love the phrase "what have Ya done for me lately?" Usually we use it when someone sucks. But in This case, golden lately has been adequate. I get the hatred after the GT loss, but come on- people change, people adjust. Maybe, just maybe, our true frosh qb is In a better spot now then against LV and NB on the road. Christ, you're really short sided to think otherwise.

Winning out is the best possible situation. Ride with me or don't - I don't care one lick. But I'm right.

The best thing for this program is to keep the momentum going. Us ******** (me included) that spend half their day reading the garbage on this site know way too much. The general public thinks like herbstreet, etc. All the Herbies LOVED what they saw sat night.

Yes. There will be a time where if golden doesn't produce he has to go. But if you seriously think that time is now, then you just aren't rational. When guys like you fly banners while guys like herbstreet say we are on the up, it makes me think you should be perma-banned. You're a cancer.

Neg me. All of you. It'll honestly make me feel better for hitting a nerve. Cause you all suck.

*** backwards mentality at it's finest. Congrats.

 

[kccanefan]

Golden is going to be here next year unless someone is dumb enough to hire him away. Losing to UVA and Pitt does nothing really. Golden's seat will be hot next year regardless of the finish this year.

 

[svenben]

Getting to play in a bowl game is huge.. Thats another free month of practicing and getting better. Thats like a bonus spring practice.

 

[Dghustla]

It's important to finish strong so we can start next season ranked

 

[3FW]

It'll be hard to keep Golden if we lose to UVa. We need to get blown out.

You are delusional.The only chance Golden is gone is if we win the last 3 big and UVA makes him an offer he can't refuse.