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How Much Time For Diaz?

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KevinCaneFace said:
Almost all first year coaches struggle and even most veteran coaches struggle their first year on a new team. But the difference here is fan bases that actually spend money on their teams and go to games would rather their coach succeed. Most our fans here don’t go to games and can’t wait until he loses a couple to fly some banners.
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JJ was 8-5 his first year. Not saying Manny is anywhere close to JJ, but the short memory and attention spam syndrome is alive and well.

I was becoming even more doubtful at 3-4. The last 3 games have removed some of that doubt. A strong finish in the last 3 games and a good recruiting class will no doubt help.

I believe next year will be a true barometer of what we have as a HC.
 
With the number of players returning (8 or 9 on offense & 7 on defense) along with the weak 2020 schedule, if Miami does not go to the ACC Championship then we have serious problems.
 
TpaBayFlyFisher said:
While I am not sold on this staff and Manny, I think the last month has done lots to calm me down. I wanted him gone after Ga. Tech. IF, that if big if, the team continues to beat the teams that have less talent that we do, I think things will stay the same. If we get clobbered in recruiting and lose lots of guys to transfer, we may see some new position coaches in the spring. But, given the money and the poor history of coaching at UM for about 15 years, I think that Manny will get at least most of his third year before he could realisticly be fired. I hope by that point we are bragging about win streaks and beating Bama.......................we will see.
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I agree with most of what you said. Very curios which croots actually sign the dotted line in Dec/Feb. December in particular.
 
Empirical Cane said:
The program needs stability for sure.

The RIGHT stability.

I just happen to think Manuela has shown he is the wrong stability (as did Richt).

Miami needs to find an AD (Moglia from Coastal Carolina) and the right HC.
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I don't disagree on the AD, but I just think it's the wrong time to callammy the wrong or right guy.

Every good HC has had a first year, period.
JJ never won more than 8 games at OK state through 5 season. Then in his 2nd year at UM won 10 games...also didn't win a bowl until year 4.

Urban Meyer did a decent job at bowling Green winning 8 and 9 games in two seasons and of course his success at Utah (coupled with Zools shortcomings) landed him the UF job. Because of his experience he took Zooks players to a BCS title in year two. Though I don't know, I'd still bet he's not doing that in his first year or maybe 2nd year as a HC in general.

Saban won 9 his first year with toledo, before he bounced to Mich St and largely struggled there until his final season.

Pete Carroll started in the NFL and similar to Manny had quite a bit of success as a position coach and coordinator. But got drilled during his first season as a HC. He went on to coach a competitive New England team before bouncing to the Trojans... Oh and he got hammered his 1st year there as well

Point being that Manny is a first year HC and has a chance to finish this season with a win streak and win a damned bowl game...maybe even a respectable one.

Do I like his coordinators, **** no, but it's his job to figure out if they're right, and I think he deserves the time to do it.

We can all talk about Dabo and his shortcomings at Clemson early on. But the dude had time because the fanbase there isn't nearly as rabid as ours. Now look at this mother ******, people put his name up there with Saban and those others I mentioned.

Had he made his first HC gig in Gables, he wouldn't have made it out of town fast enough after two seasons....our fan base is insane when it comes to these situations.
 
Empirical Cane said:
There seems to be a fairly equitable split between "Manny needs more time" vs "Fire Manuela today" crowds.

Obviously I'm a "Fire Maneula" guy.

Putting aside those porsters who are always vague, then try and come back with 20/20 hindsight "I was right b!tches"...

How much time do you all feel Diaz needs for consistent ACCCD Titles and ACC Titles?

What does that schedule look like to you?
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Best coach this school has had in the last 20 years and you want him fired before the end of his first season. What a joke.
 
He can't recruit. He's done nothing to show that he's the right person for this job. A couple wins against some above average ACC teams doesn't change that. He lost to a 3-9 team full of players that aren't equipped to run the new offense.

If he doesn't win the coastal next year, get him out. He is a first time coach who knowingly took a job with high expectations over the job he should have taken (Temple). Getting way too much slack.
 
Empirical Cane said:
There seems to be a fairly equitable split between "Manny needs more time" vs "Fire Manuela today" crowds.

Obviously I'm a "Fire Maneula" guy.

Putting aside those porsters who are always vague, then try and come back with 20/20 hindsight "I was right b!tches"...

How much time do you all feel Diaz needs for consistent ACCCD Titles and ACC Titles?

What does that schedule look like to you?
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There is a range of opinions, most of which seem to be pretty fair in that they are not happy how the season started, encouraged by the latest results and waiting to see how this plays out before making judgement. I don't think 50% of the fan base is saying "Fire Manuela today". I would guess that number is closer to 5% extremists who really think he we should fire the head football coach right this minute. That's just your own idiotic perspective that your pushing.
 
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423Hurricane said:
JJ was 8-5 his first year. Not saying Manny is anywhere close to JJ, but the short memory and attention spam syndrome is alive and well.

I was becoming even more doubtful at 3-4. The last 3 games have removed some of that doubt. A strong finish in the last 3 games and a good recruiting class will no doubt help.

I believe next year will be a true barometer of what we have as a HC.
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second year is always when a HC’s potential is revealed.
 
michigan state is a hot pile of garbage right now. our other out of conference games next year are UAB, wagner, and Temple.

our ACC crossover game is Wake Forest. we own FSU.

10 wins should be EASY. the low end of expectations
 
Mandy needs to win out and find a speech therapist this off-season and I'll give him another year.

/and sign a top 15 class
// and build a time machine to not lose to shltty GT like a sack of garbage
 
We should win the coastal next year, it took a ridiculous amount of effort, from our part, to not win it this year.
You're setting yourself up to disapointment if you think this team is close to be at Clemson level, that will take at least 3 more years if everything goes according to plan, but I expect top 15/20 finishes until then. We should look like PSU/Utah (this year) over the next few years, not at the level of the top team in the conference, but a good team building.

As for Manny, I was very disapointed with how this team looked in ACC play this season, but hoping we turned the corner the last few weeks. I think any coach should be given 2 years and a 3rd if he has shown signs of life. For Diaz if we go 9-3 or better next year, although we should go 10-2/11-1, he should be back for a 3rd season
 
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JD08 said:
I'm not close to convinced he's the guy, but I'm encouraged by the progress over the last month. I'm going to wait and see how recruiting goes and how he start next year before deciding that he needs to go. Another GT style fiasco and he's dead to me.

That said, I don't have the patience to weather out another not quite bad enough to be fired coach. I expect results.
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Same
 
Short answer – As with everything in life, it depends.

Longer answer – Given the talent we have coming back and the late season progress, I think making the ACCCG should be an expectation. That also requires a lot of assumptions. Assumptions like: do all or most of our key players stay healthy? Do most or all the key juniors make ill-advised jumps to the pros? Does the progress we’ve seen thus far continue through the last 3 games? Do the incoming starters avoid rookie mistakes as much as possible and grow into their roles as soon as possible? Do we avoid the wrathful and chaotic college football gods’ ire and not get popped in some completely fluke game? Do we close strong (10-15 or above, God willing) ranked classes and, most importantly, develop the kids we do bring on to or beyond their potential? Do our coaches all avoid fatal car accidents? Etc. etc. etc. (Knocking on plenty of wood, of course. [ed. note: Inb4 “that’s what she said”])

Let’s assume all the above and say we miss the ACCCG. Whether the head coach deserves to be fired or not will again depend on many factors. If we have a catastrophic season and miss a bowl, that’s grounds for dismissal. If we barely make one but lose to FSU, that would be grounds for dismissal. Do we have another season where we start out in the hole and are battling just to get to 8-5 or 9-4? I'd be fine with dismissal but would expect, at the very least, the house is cleaned at the assistant coach level with the assumption that if things don’t improve quickly the head coach is next. If we get barely nudged out via a head-to-head tiebreaker with a very strong VT/UNC/UVA team but spend most of the season ranked/competitive, make a good bowl where we beat a good team, and finish with 10 wins and a strong recruiting class, then I think it gets murkier.

Not, obviously, the certainty you’re looking for. And it will take many long months for the scenario to unfold. For now probably best to focus on the short term and hope the trend line continues upwards, but this is a fan forum so I’m sure no matter how the season ends we’ll be having this argument week after week, year after year, coach after coach, until we’re all in the ground.
 
Manny will get at least three years. Having said that, there is no reason we should not win the Coastal next year, and I’m confident we will win it. However, even if Manny is “THE GUY” to bring Miami back, it will still be at least three or four years before we will be competitive with Clemson on a consistent basis, even under the best scenario.
 
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Next year is the time unless we have some crazy amount of injuries. No excuses, we should be favored in every game and should easily win 10 games, anything less is a complete failure. Also he has to finish this season winning all remaining games save for us being matched up with a Bama or similar in the OB, in which case we just need to be competitive.
 
423Hurricane said:
JJ was 8-5 his first year. Not saying Manny is anywhere close to JJ, but the short memory and attention spam syndrome is alive and well.

I was becoming even more doubtful at 3-4. The last 3 games have removed some of that doubt. A strong finish in the last 3 games and a good recruiting class will no doubt help.

I believe next year will be a true barometer of what we have as a HC.
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I was there for JJ's first season. That was as much bad luck as anything, but against much tougher competition. Still uncceptable.

4th and 17, losing to VT and GT, last drive stand against CMU...

that has been incompetence, not bad luck.

For me, the difference between keep Manolo and fire Manuela.
 
Warrior808 said:
There is a range of opinions, most of which seem to be pretty fair in that they are not happy how the season started, encouraged by the latest results and waiting to see how this plays out before making judgement. I don't think 50% of the fan base is saying "Fire Manuela today". I would guess that number is closer to 5% extremists who really think he we should fire the head football coach right this minute. That's just your own idiotic perspective that your pushing.
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or perhaps you are pushing your own idiotic perspective.

i suspect the latter.

no, not suspect.

i'm certain.
 
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