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Tad Footeball said:
I think most rational people would agree that Duke Johnson's draft stock last year would end up being substantially higher than Coley's this year. Well take a look at Duke's contract- the 77th overall pick. All that's guaranteed is the signing bonus (or his 1st year salary of an equivalent sum- that wasn't clear) and then factor in high tax rates, agent fees and living expenses. Even as an early 3rd rounder you're not seeing anything near "set-for-life" money. I don't know Coley's family situation but it does seem insane for anyone with possible 1st or 2nd round potential to ever try to grab the quick payday early unless your circumstance absolutely necessitates it.

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he gets paid about half of that after federal taxes, state taxes, his agent's cut, mandatory nfl dues and pension contributions. people act as if $1 million means $1 million. it doesnt. it means $500k if you dont play for the giants which are subject to NY city tax as well.

his cash flow is 1.5 million for 4 years. not bad but certainly not millions per year.

making the nfl as a top 3 round pick is winning the lottery. in order to make a lot of money you gotta win the lottery at least 1 more time and get that 2nd contract.
 
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It is in his best interest financially to stay one more year. Also, these kids need to look at life after football. Get that degree.
 
To be fair, stating an opinion on an opinion based message board isn't exactly new territory here. If he gets completely opposite feedback from the draft advisory board, then he can tell us to stick it. If not, then suck it up buttercup and get back to work.
 
I don't know Stacey Coley, but I know guys who struggled all their lives and didn't want their family to barely eat for another year. $500k in bring home cash isn't great in terms of NFL money, but it buys a nice home and everybody eats. If your family is stable, stay and improve draft stock. If your family is barely eating and baby brother is walking through gang territory to get to school, go get paid, work hard, and EARN the fat contract later.
 
Reppingtheu said:
I don't know Stacey Coley, but I know guys who struggled all their lives and didn't want their family to barely eat for another year. $500k in bring home cash isn't great in terms of NFL money, but it buys a nice home and everybody eats. If your family is stable, stay and improve draft stock. If your family is barely eating and baby brother is walking through gang territory to get to school, go get paid, work hard, and EARN the fat contract later.
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Problem is he wont make 500k next year. 6th round player(I doubt he even gets drafted) dont get that much...and as stated previously, after taxes, agent, others fees he wont be buying a nice home and feeding everyone. Tommy Streeter, forston(however u spell it), washington, what are those guys doing these days
 
With Scott leaving, he will be our #1 . Needs to bulk up and perfect his craft for one more year. Also needs to get mentally tougher and more mature. Leaving this year would be a mistake in my opinion.
 
Reppingtheu said:
I don't know Stacey Coley, but I know guys who struggled all their lives and didn't want their family to barely eat for another year. $500k in bring home cash isn't great in terms of NFL money, but it buys a nice home and everybody eats. If your family is stable, stay and improve draft stock. If your family is barely eating and baby brother is walking through gang territory to get to school, go get paid, work hard, and EARN the fat contract later.
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That's fair and truth be told some kids actually don't like college and aren't as enamored with the experience as we were or think they should be. That said, if your family situation isn't extremely dire and the Draft Board says you might go in the 4th but you wanna believe Drew Rosenhaus saying you're a sure fire second rounder then you're making a mistake and ******** yourself and your family out of a lot of immediate money.
 
Port Knox said:
With Scott leaving, he will be our #1 . Needs to bulk up and perfect his craft for one more year. Also needs to get mentally tougher and more mature. Leaving this year would be a mistake in my opinion.
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The mental aspect is where he really needs to improve the most.
Scouts are going to look at all those times he would catch the ball and start yapping at the DB as if he just won something. The kid has to wake up and play smart.

Physically I see him as a very poor man's Peter Warrick who had no NFL career whatsoever. Maybe with the current rules of the NFL and how defenses can't play defenses anymore he could have a better career than Warrick but I don't think it will be that much better.
The kid should stay one more year, earn a degree and learn from a real coaching staff how to get better.
 
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Another genius boat lift dump off poster.

You criticize Coley's decision to leave early like you criticize any other dumb decision. He can improve his position greatly playing another year and wind up making a lot more money. That's why it's a dumb shortsighted decision.

I love D$, but I criticize his decision to allow braindead corpses to start threads.
 
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Colombie said:
The mental aspect is where he really needs to improve. Scouts are going to look at all those times he would catch the ball and start yapping at the DB as if he just won something. The kid has to wake up and play smart.
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Thought he showed improvement on the long catch against Pitt. He wanted to talk but chose not to. Agree with your post but I thought most of his calls were only thrown bc he was in a Canes uniform. No excuse but definitely excessive.
 
Who is shtting on Coley? Everyone just wanting him to stay and get degree and get paid what he can be worth
 
[]_[] swag;2416983 said:
How do you guys legitimately criticize and **** on a kid for leaving early to get paid? What possible reason could a kid like Coley have for coming back to play another year? The occasional academically motivated student has a valid reason for staying, and you can see a player on a great team coming back to try to win big. But what actual reason do you guys give for someone like Coley being an idiot for going Pro?

I'm a pretty well off guy and if my kid was just skating by academically and had a chance to play in the NFL, which Stacy will after his combine, I would push the kid hard to go pro and get paid.
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i think these kids don't understand what they're costing themselves when they leave early and aren't in the top rounds... i think that's the only critique really. Look at tommy streeter, left early.. to be a 6th round draft pick and is currently a free agent.. he "left early to get paid" and he wasn't ready.. but at least he had money for a porsche.
 
[]_[] swag;2417006 said:
I'm just saying if it was me I'd be going pro no question. You can improve just as well in the NFL as in college, might as well get paid in the mean time.
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get paid peanuts vs wait a season, get bigger stay healthy and shine in richt's offense and be a first round draft pick

it truly is a stupid question
 
So maybe I missed it and I honestly didnt want to read a 7 page thread...Did he officially declare?

If so, horrible move. No need to beat a dead horse. Looks like it has been stated enough why this isnt a good move for him. If he cant learn from the mistake Tommy Streeter, Marcus Forston, etc made..then he cant be helped.

I remember Brandon Washington on the radio being interviewed after he declared and you could hear it in his voice that his agent had bigged his head up that he would be a top 3 round pick AT WORST. Maybe 2nd because of his versatility. He even was bragging that he was handing out money already to family members before he had even got drafted!

He ended up being a 6th round pick! (I was actually a little shocked by this as well) And now I think Washington is trying to hang on for dear life on the Rams practice squad. Smh. Couldnt wait ONE year. I remember Warrick Dunn famously saying after he came back for his Sr year at FSU. "I have been broke all my life, whats one more year?"....
 
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