How do we sign only 3 DTs when there are only 3 on the team?

When it's the same old Golden defense, giving up 500 per game, and zero DL in 2014, "Wait till 2015" is NO excuse. He is basically claiming it will take him to 2016 before he has a competitive defense.

Unacceptable, by ANY standard.
 
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Look at our great defenses through the years, many of our DT's did not start out at that position. Many were TE's or DE's.

In recruiting, defensive lineman are usually the most difficult to gauge, especially tackles. It is the one position where often the rankings don't seem to pan out.
I find it humorous when many on here call it a failure when a local player goes somewhere else, or the player is not loyal to the home team.
Number One, no player owes anything to any university, it's not as if the college fed and raised them the first 18 years of their life. Secondly, many students whether they're an athlete or not want to go away for college. I am and have been a die hard canes fan for many a year having grown up in Broward County,and I can tell you that if Miami had offered me an academic scholarship I am sure I would have went away from the area, as I actually did.

DE's converted to DT's. Linebackers to TE's. Corners to LB's.

Speed, speed, speed. Quick, on top of quick, on top of quick.

Golden got his PSU mindset from the 80's going.

We're so screwed.
 
I thought organization and preparation were touted as Golden's best attributes.

Don't lay all your chips on long shots. Do your homework. Only themselves to blame.

At least we can field a **** of a "almost team" from the JUCO ranks. That'll help us.

What else can they have done w/r/t the JUCO guys though? Other than NOT recruit them? We needed immidiate help at DT. We needed JUCOs. We recruited almost every one of the top 12 in the country. We were finalists or actually had commitments from almost HALF of those guys, and only ONE could freaking get into school.

At some point, you have to realize that the academic standards at UM are an issue that is going to continue to hinder this program. With the exception of Stuckey, the rest of those guys, are probably going to be able to get into major programs, but couldnt qualify at UM. That's an issue. You can blame the staff all day long, but I dont care who the coach here is, that problem is not going to change. The most valid shot at this staff, is that the failure to land a DT last year, put more urgency and need on JUCO this year, which because of the standards at UM, and f*cked up bad luck, has still left us short handed.

And for all the b.s. whining about Wyche, it doesnt look like the staff was sitting on its @ss and just counting on this kid anyway. We got Huertelou AFTER we already had Wyche committed. They also kept working on Pelon, McDowell, and supposedly have been recruiting Gaillard this whole time on the down low. The Wyche thing was going to f*ck us regardless of what the staff did.


Unfortunately, this just isn't accurate man. You and I have been on the boards long enough together that I can assure you it's not the academic qualifications that are truly holding these guys back. I've been told essentially from the horse's mouth that if Golden needs to get someone in, he can almost universally do so provided they meet NCAA requirements or conference requirements like in the Wyche case. They don't have to always meet Miami academic criteria. So, let's check that excuse at the door, and let's look past just the DT deficiency.

There are plenty of major issues. I'll name a few:

1. The NCAA investigation. While some understand, the impression I have is that many people just don't fully comprehend the true negative impact the investigation has had on the program both on the field and off the field in terms of recruiting and community impression. Completely devastating.

2. Recruiting. As you know, this is the life blood of any program. The biggest issue Golden currently has is his lack of credibility. He now has a record to go on, and it isn't very good. He can say whatever he wants, but there's always going to be somebody in that SoFla kid's ear saying something negative about Miami whether it be opposing coach, street handler, other local players, etc., and Golden really can only refute those comments by blaming the investigation which people just get tired of hearing.

Golden is supremely fortunate that he's even gotten the kids who have committed. I think it's as much a function of them wanting to stay home as anything else. Certainly, it's not his record. Again, it isn'y entirely fair because Golden has had to not only repair local school relationships, he's had to deal with the NCAA investigation, negative recruiting, and now probation which also handcuffs the behind-the-scenes recruiting war. He's doing all of this as a young, and, IMO, still learning head coach.

So, he needs to win but doesn't have the players. He can't get the players because he hasn't won. See what's happening here? The other issues of probation, street handlers, etc, are legit, but the big elephant in the room is his record. He just isn't good enough as a coach (yet?) to overcome that deficiency. He's going to need a transcendent player at QB to overcome all of this IMO.
 
I thought organization and preparation were touted as Golden's best attributes.

Don't lay all your chips on long shots. Do your homework. Only themselves to blame.

At least we can field a **** of a "almost team" from the JUCO ranks. That'll help us.

What else can they have done w/r/t the JUCO guys though? Other than NOT recruit them? We needed immidiate help at DT. We needed JUCOs. We recruited almost every one of the top 12 in the country. We were finalists or actually had commitments from almost HALF of those guys, and only ONE could freaking get into school.

At some point, you have to realize that the academic standards at UM are an issue that is going to continue to hinder this program. With the exception of Stuckey, the rest of those guys, are probably going to be able to get into major programs, but couldnt qualify at UM. That's an issue. You can blame the staff all day long, but I dont care who the coach here is, that problem is not going to change. The most valid shot at this staff, is that the failure to land a DT last year, put more urgency and need on JUCO this year, which because of the standards at UM, and f*cked up bad luck, has still left us short handed.

And for all the b.s. whining about Wyche, it doesnt look like the staff was sitting on its @ss and just counting on this kid anyway. We got Huertelou AFTER we already had Wyche committed. They also kept working on Pelon, McDowell, and supposedly have been recruiting Gaillard this whole time on the down low. The Wyche thing was going to f*ck us regardless of what the staff did.


Unfortunately, this just isn't accurate man. You and I have been on the boards long enough together that I can assure you it's not the academic qualifications that are truly holding these guys back. I've been told essentially from the horse's mouth that if Golden needs to get someone in, he can almost universally do so provided they meet NCAA requirements or conference requirements like in the Wyche case. They don't have to always meet Miami academic criteria. So, let's check that excuse at the door, and let's look past just the DT deficiency.

There are plenty of major issues. I'll name a few:

1. The NCAA investigation. While some understand, the impression I have is that many people just don't fully comprehend the true negative impact the investigation has had on the program both on the field and off the field in terms of recruiting and community impression. Completely devastating.

2. Recruiting. As you know, this is the life blood of any program. The biggest issue Golden currently has is his lack of credibility. He now has a record to go on, and it isn't very good. He can say whatever he wants, but there's always going to be somebody in that SoFla kid's ear saying something negative about Miami whether it be opposing coach, street handler, other local players, etc., and Golden really can only refute those comments by blaming the investigation which people just get tired of hearing.

Golden is supremely fortunate that he's even gotten the kids who have committed. I think it's as much a function of them wanting to stay home as anything else. Certainly, it's not his record. Again, it isn'y entirely fair because Golden has had to not only repair local school relationships, he's had to deal with the NCAA investigation, negative recruiting, and now probation which also handcuffs the behind-the-scenes recruiting war. He's doing all of this as a young, and, IMO, still learning head coach.

So, he needs to win but doesn't have the players. He can't get the players because he hasn't won. See what's happening here? The other issues of probation, street handlers, etc, are legit, but the big elephant in the room is his record. He just isn't good enough as a coach (yet?) to overcome that deficiency. He's going to need a transcendent player at QB to overcome all of this IMO.

A transcendent QB can make any coach look good. Just look at that school in Tallahassee.
 
Not predicting, but if Treon Harris flips to miami, how messed up is it that we get the same number of qb's in this class as DT's.

Bizarre and so wrong
 
I just don't understand how there cannot be backup plans in place. We only have 3 DT's on the current roster. 3!

And it's the same story every year since Golden got here. Golden recruits consistently in the top 5 in the nation, but can't sign a DT to save his life.

The DLine's here used to be epic and what gave the U its identity. If DT recruits don't want to come here there has to be a reason. You would think Golden would do something about it.

And Jimmy Johnson couldn't recruit a DT to save his life, despite all the revisionist history I see on this site. Jeez, folks here must think he's Jesus now, but he couldn't recruit a DT. That's why he took Russ Maryland at the last minute who nobody wanted, same with Jimmie Jones. Look at the DTs we had when we won NC's: Greg Mark, an undersized DE filling in at DT because we had no one; Derwin Jones, a Schnelly recruit. Jerome Brown, the same. Who else? The only guys he recruited were Cortez Kenney out of Juco, who gave us one good year, and guys like Eric Miller, Damon Bethel....where are all the great DTs JJ recruited?

Butch lucked out with William Joseph and Wlifork. Then we had Matt Walters, a serviceable guy probably similar to Anthony Chickillo. At some point we got Santonio Thomas, who originally wanted to go to UF, but they couldn't get him into school. He was OK, although he was a first team USA Today A-A, he ended up undrafted.

So, AG is not doing so bad. The only problem is, he's running a defense which requires bigger DTs. If he would run a 3-4 more, than we could probably use some of our smaller guys, like Chick, inside. In fact, i think he does slide in when we go to a 3-4.
 
More excuses. We are rummaging through the JUCO ranks because of the failures of the staff. JUCOs are nothing more than band aids, or white out over a mistake. And they're at JUCO for a reason -- they're ****ed up academically.

Shocking that a lot of them don't make it in. Find some kids that will qualify or don't miss so badly that you're forced to go shopping at the clearance rack.

It's directly the staff's fault.

Yeah, sure. Cortez Kennedy was a band aid.

I wish I could say how stupid some of these comments really are, but I can't because of moderator's rules.
 
I hope we are communicating with all top 30 ranked DT's for next cycle.....

I'd rather communicate with a Russ Maryland or Jimmie Jones if we can find them since they turned out better than any top 30 ranked DTs of the day. Those guys were the ultimate back-up plans, sloppy thirds (if that)...nobody wanted them.

And Sapp never would have appeared on any lists of top 30 DTs because he was an undersized TE coming out.
 
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How did Miami fans turn out to have such a disproportionate share of whiners and complainers? Especially on the internet.

Is Chad whining over the divas who don't want to come? He says, "F 'em. " That was the old time Hurricane attitude.

You guys are such a sorry bunch.
 
How did Miami fans turn out to have such a disproportionate share of whiners and complainers? Especially on the internet.

Is Chad whining over the divas who don't want to come? He says, "F 'em. " That was the old time Hurricane attitude.

You guys are such a sorry bunch.

Pathetic is a better word.
 
How did Miami fans turn out to have such a disproportionate share of whiners and complainers? Especially on the internet.

Is Chad whining over the divas who don't want to come? He says, "F 'em. " That was the old time Hurricane attitude.

You guys are such a sorry bunch.

You´re absolutely right. I am SOOOO pumped about fielding the 2 worst defenses we have ever seen in 2 consecutive seasons, while simultaneously striking out at our biggest position of need ever since Clouden started. SOOO ******* pumped.

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"We signed Moten this year, compared to zero DT's last year. Trending upwards."
- Al Golden in the near future
 
More excuses. We are rummaging through the JUCO ranks because of the failures of the staff. JUCOs are nothing more than band aids, or white out over a mistake. And they're at JUCO for a reason -- they're ****ed up academically.

Shocking that a lot of them don't make it in. Find some kids that will qualify or don't miss so badly that you're forced to go shopping at the clearance rack.

It's directly the staff's fault.

Yeah, sure. Cortez Kennedy was a band aid.

I wish I could say how stupid some of these comments really are, but I can't because of moderator's rules.

30 year old example. Any modern ones?
 
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I just don't understand how there cannot be backup plans in place. We only have 3 DT's on the current roster. 3!

And it's the same story every year since Golden got here. Golden recruits consistently in the top 5 in the nation, but can't sign a DT to save his life.

The DLine's here used to be epic and what gave the U its identity. If DT recruits don't want to come here there has to be a reason. You would think Golden would do something about it.

And Jimmy Johnson couldn't recruit a DT to save his life, despite all the revisionist history I see on this site. Jeez, folks here must think he's Jesus now, but he couldn't recruit a DT. That's why he took Russ Maryland at the last minute who nobody wanted, same with Jimmie Jones. Look at the DTs we had when we won NC's: Greg Mark, an undersized DE filling in at DT because we had no one; Derwin Jones, a Schnelly recruit. Jerome Brown, the same. Who else? The only guys he recruited were Cortez Kenney out of Juco, who gave us one good year, and guys like Eric Miller, Damon Bethel....where are all the great DTs JJ recruited?

Butch lucked out with William Joseph and Wlifork. Then we had Matt Walters, a serviceable guy probably similar to Anthony Chickillo. At some point we got Santonio Thomas, who originally wanted to go to UF, but they couldn't get him into school. He was OK, although he was a first team USA Today A-A, he ended up undrafted.

So, AG is not doing so bad. The only problem is, he's running a defense which requires bigger DTs. If he would run a 3-4 more, than we could probably use some of our smaller guys, like Chick, inside. In fact, i think he does slide in when we go to a 3-4.

and guess what? Jimmy was an unbelievable coach that could out X and O his opponents. He drew the most out of those kids. Golden needs Jimmies and Joes to have a chance because he's not outcoaching anyone
 
You guys are missing the bigger point. THE COACHING!!!!!!

We had DTs this season, what happened? Porter, Robinson and Renfrow amounted to what.

Next season, Pierre, Heurtelou, King and Moore are all upper classman. Players like Kamalu, Chick and Hamilton can help out as well. Even if we landed Wyche, why are you so confident that he is the answer? How can you really tell?

Perhaps the problem is the coaching/scheme is **** poor. How can you really judge these guys (their talent) with the defense looking like it does?

We had DT last season? Renfrow was a back up at Virginia who never saw any run there, Robinson only started due to depth issues and had to have his daddy get on the radio the year before and complain about his playing time instead of putting work in, & Porter was a guy who's whole career was summed up by this one line: "next year when he's healthy will be his year" and he just never panned out!
 
I think it's pretty simple really...start winning against top teams and you will become a recruiting powerhouse again...i am around these high school kids every day and very few think of Miami as one of the top teams anymore...I mean these kids were born in 97 so they have grown up with us sucking! Especially DT's! Would you come here after seeing our track record with the position the last 7-8 years? This corch of ours is a fake! This top 10 class is a fake for the most part...we missed BIG on too many guys and quite frankly, even if we got them we would have ruined them anyways with our corching staff so who really cares?
 
There is more than 3. Kamula played at 289 and they want him at 300 next season, jelani will be about 300 next year too. If they play more 4-3 next year and with no nt they will have to you would have inside kamula, pierre, jelani, moten, herteulo, moore, jenkins, king.

So funny...I remember in the '80's when we had DTs in the 235-240 range. Back in '83, I think Tony Fitzpatrick played the nose at 240 or so. Boy, he was tough, though. He went up against those huge Nebraska lineman who weighed about 280-300. That WAS huge back tehn.
 
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