How 'Canes & Golden Are Perceived (from an NFL team board)

[Burr]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

 

[sebastian91]

Allen Hurns is a terrible example. He was a very good player here who was probably underappreciated by the fans. Then those NFL scouts that you are giving so much credit failed to draft him because he's not physically impressive. If Jacksonville truly had Hurns pegged as some diamond in the rough they would've taken him in the 6th or 7th. They missed on him just like everyone else then they lucked out when he fell into their lap. He succeeded here and he's succeeding there.

Seantrel is obviously a better example of a guy who underachieved although a lot of that is on him.

Hurns is not a terrible example. He had one good season here really. I've seen several NFL guys say they had him on their priority UFA list. He went to Jax because of his familiarity with Fisch, but he could've signed with any number of teams. They didn't miss on him. They knew they could get him after the draft for a lot less money. And when did I give the NFL scouts "so much credit"?

Hurns started a ton of games here, is in the top 10 in multiple receiving categories, and had one of the top-5 seasons of any receiver in school history--arguably the best. Despite this, he went undrafted. He went to the pros, balled preseason, and is doing well in-season. Sorry, but that is not the picture of a guy who figured it out at the next level. That is a picture of a guy who was underrated and undervalued--not surprising because he doesn't jump out at you with speed/athleticism. If he puts up a thousand yards and you asked all the teams who passed on him in the 6th and 7th round whether they missed, the answer is yes because they could've DRAFTED him and not had him deciding on Jacksonville as some undrafted FA.

LOL at priority free agent.

Hey, I agree he was undervalued and underrated, and I'm sure a lot of those NFL scouts are kicking themselves now. But hindsight is 20/20. Every team 'missed' on him by your definition. You can laugh all you want, but I've seen NFL GM's come out and say that they wanted Hurns as a UFA, but he turned them down. Believe what you want. Doesn't bother me.

You're missing the point although I won't continue to post on this. Every team DID miss on Hurns unless they had little need at receiver. If you drafted some marginal guy in the 6th/7th who didn't make your team INSTEAD of Allen Hurns, you missed.

Your original post inferred that Hurns "underachieved" here and that as a result NFLers could consciously sit back and not bother drafting him instead waiting for him to be a UFA. That is nonsense. They didn't draft him because they didn't think he was good enough to warrant a draft pick, not because he underachieved. That's pretty simple. And they were WRONG. Hurns was excellent here and he's doing well up there. This is not the first time the pros missed on a guy because he's not that tall or fast.

I'm laughing because you're acting like a "priority UFA" or whatever amounts to something. Anybody who's not drafted wasn't considered that desirable, period. It was a miss. Jacksonville I'm sure would tell you they themselves missed on him by not drafting him in the 6th/7th. They just got lucky.

No, you missed the point. I didn't intend to infer that Hurns underachieved, although it could be argued that he didn't really 'achieve' until his last season. The point was that the NFL doesn't think that highly of Miami players right now, as was the OP topic. Therefore, even if they are high on a particular player from Miami, there's a good chance that you don't have to waste a draft pick on him if he's a marginal guy anyway (Hurns was marginal because he didn't test well physically). Why draft a guy that you know will be there after the draft? A marginal guy like Hurns would've gone in the top 3 rounds back in the day just because every team wanted Miami players. They knew Miami players were ready for the NFL. That isn't the case anymore. Get it?

Priority UFA does amount to something. If you're too ignorant to know that, I can't help you.

 

[Canes2082]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

 

[Burr]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

" are just as much"

Meaning it works both ways


Didn't know the QB coach wasn't responsible for the QBs, forgot he monitors the Kickers sorry




Jackass

 

[Hobokane]

No need for calling. Let's be a grown up when we talk

Grown-ups don't whine... and act all butt hurt when they post drivel and get served. Take it somewhere else

Never whined... butt hurt??....don't know who your serving?

But it's ok....your the boss....your in charge....please don't bully me....

Condescending, passive-aggressive & annoying is no way to go through life son. Don't go way mad. (just go away).

Insulting me by calling me a Jackass is not the way to go through life....

I never called you an derogatory names or insinuated you were a Jackass...

Im allowed to have my opinion just like you are. If you don't like mine then (just go away)

There's the passive-aggressive again. I'm sorry for calling you a jackass. But it was a jackass kind of reply to the post. And you kinda are a jackass. and condescending. You're allowed to have an opinion- never said you weren't. But when your opinion (as in this case) makes you sound like a jackass, then you should probably be prepared to be called one. have a nice day (a little passive aggressive right backatcha.)

 

[Hobokane]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

Disclaimer: do NOT call Cans2082 "Jackass" he doesn't like that word

 

[Canes2082]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

Disclaimer: do NOT call Cans2082 "Jackass" he doesn't like

Lol your ok in my book Hobo

 

[Canes2082]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

" are just as much"

Meaning it works both ways


Didn't know the QB coach wasn't responsible for the QBs, forgot he monitors the Kickers sorry




Jackass

So.....Jameis is just as much Coley as he is Jimbo by your logic then correct?

 

[Burr]

Oh look another coaching thread......

Where's the thread on TROB and Muschamps awesome DB that didn't get drafted?

Or how Jimbos QB that can't do **** in the NFL

I don't know why you guys waste your time complaining. Nothing is gonna happen to anyone until the BOT do anything. No one will listen to us fans

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

" are just as much"

Meaning it works both ways


Didn't know the QB coach wasn't responsible for the QBs, forgot he monitors the Kickers sorry




Jackass

So.....Jameis is just as much Coley as he is Jimbo by your logic then correct?

Coley is just as responsible if not more for bringing Jamies to FSU as Jimbo is...are you serious?

Who do you think was in charge of recruiting for Jimbo?


You know, the same way by my idiotic logic that because of Coley Kaaya is here for Golden.

 

[Canes2082]

And Als QB in the NFL is where

Oh and Ponder and EJ are just as much Coleys QBS as they are Jimbos



Jackass

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

" are just as much"

Meaning it works both ways


Didn't know the QB coach wasn't responsible for the QBs, forgot he monitors the Kickers sorry




Jackass

So.....Jameis is just as much Coley as he is Jimbo by your logic then correct?

Coley is just as responsible if not more for bringing Jamies to FSU as Jimbo is...are you serious?

Who do you think was in charge of recruiting for Jimbo?


You know, the same way by my idiotic logic that because of Coley Kaaya is here for Golden.

You missed the point but that's ok. Go Canes!

 

[Burr]

So now we blame EJ and Ponder failures on Coley's of course..... because if they had success all credit to Jimbo, but failures we blame on Coley...makes sense

Once again you can have you opinion just like I have mine without acting like your 12 calling people 'Jackass"

" are just as much"

Meaning it works both ways


Didn't know the QB coach wasn't responsible for the QBs, forgot he monitors the Kickers sorry




Jackass

So.....Jameis is just as much Coley as he is Jimbo by your logic then correct?

Coley is just as responsible if not more for bringing Jamies to FSU as Jimbo is...are you serious?

Who do you think was in charge of recruiting for Jimbo?


You know, the same way by my idiotic logic that because of Coley Kaaya is here for Golden.

You missed the point but that's ok. Go Canes!

No the point you were trying to make is about coaching him up but what type of example is that when Coley had Jamies for all of maybe 6 months while he RS and spent most his time preparing EJ for games.




Jackass.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Lotta jackasses flying around here today.

 

[Canes2082]

Lotta jackasses flying around here today.

Yes there are Archer lol....but if it makes them feel better and makes them feel like they are accomplishing something then so be it

 

[Canes2082]

" are just as much"

Meaning it works both ways


Didn't know the QB coach wasn't responsible for the QBs, forgot he monitors the Kickers sorry




Jackass

So.....Jameis is just as much Coley as he is Jimbo by your logic then correct?

Coley is just as responsible if not more for bringing Jamies to FSU as Jimbo is...are you serious?

Who do you think was in charge of recruiting for Jimbo?


You know, the same way by my idiotic logic that because of Coley Kaaya is here for Golden.

You missed the point but that's ok. Go Canes!

No the point you were trying to make is about coaching him up but what type of example is that when Coley had Jamies for all of maybe 6 months while he RS and spent most his time preparing EJ for games.




Jackass.

Ok Burr...we will just agree to disagree...Cool?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Stopped reading after "NY Giants message board".

Y? They won two super owls pretty recently unless u hate them. It's good to see other fans perception they have no homer ism involved and there not a rival so it's not hate they talkin.

 

[Burr]

So.....Jameis is just as much Coley as he is Jimbo by your logic then correct?

Coley is just as responsible if not more for bringing Jamies to FSU as Jimbo is...are you serious?

Who do you think was in charge of recruiting for Jimbo?


You know, the same way by my idiotic logic that because of Coley Kaaya is here for Golden.

You missed the point but that's ok. Go Canes!

No the point you were trying to make is about coaching him up but what type of example is that when Coley had Jamies for all of maybe 6 months while he RS and spent most his time preparing EJ for games.




Jackass.

Ok Burr...we will just agree to disagree...Cool?

Ehhhh

 

[Canes2082]

Coley is just as responsible if not more for bringing Jamies to FSU as Jimbo is...are you serious?

Who do you think was in charge of recruiting for Jimbo?


You know, the same way by my idiotic logic that because of Coley Kaaya is here for Golden.

You missed the point but that's ok. Go Canes!

No the point you were trying to make is about coaching him up but what type of example is that when Coley had Jamies for all of maybe 6 months while he RS and spent most his time preparing EJ for games.




Jackass.

Ok Burr...we will just agree to disagree...Cool?

Ehhhh

Or we can continue this....You have your opinion and I have mine... so its gonna go nowhere. Enjoy your Saturday and Go Canes!

 

[DMoney]

Henderson played well on the field at Miami.

In fact it wasn't until Golden's crew got here did he lose a lot of bad weight, and get himself in good condition.

His problem was off the field, pro day workout, etc...

This. Henderson's problems were off the field. He showed good effort on the field and had dominant moments (although admittedly not enough).

 

[deleted1998]

This is from a NY Giants message board thread on the ACC-- scroll down a few and it becomes about Miami.

They don't usually wade into NCAA team/conference discussions like this, which is why it caught my eye.

Not sure if some of the people opining there are also members on other Miami boards-- but they sure seem to understand what ails this program:

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=502577

Thanks for the post, it was interesting to read what other fan bases think of the program...which happens to be what everyone else thinks.