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PennsylvaniaCane

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First half drives

7 plays 20 yards 3:32
10 plays 37 yards 6:09
4 plays 9 yards 1:23
3 plays 6 yards - run run pass punt. 1:28
5 plays 90 yards TD (41 on a tunnel screen) 3:08

The play calling and pace in the first half was atrocious. Keep in mind the 41 yard tunnel screen was on 2nd and 12. I’d like to see a chart on how effective that play has been these last 4 weeks. That’s your call on 2nd and 12? Yeah it hit but to me it’s not a great call. Especially considering we threw the ball downfield (+10 yards)about 2x prior to that call. 29 plays 162 yards in 15:40 TOP. Against one of the worst P4 defenses out there.

2nd half drives

3 plays 78 yards TD (61 yd to Marion, good call) 1:08

9 plays 83 yards TD (good balanced drive, Pringle time) 4:52

4 plays 5 yards 1:28. This was coming off a pick that gave us the ball at their 30. 2 A gap dives and a pass on 3rd and +7. After the previous drive where we moved the ball cleanly with balance, first down throws, outside runs, etc. and we come back with that drive? Terrible

6 plays 15 yards 3:44. Again a terrible series. Slow plodding A gap runs and short check down passes.

5 plays 51 yards TD to Mauigoa. 2:56

There was some belief that we played with more tempo in the second half. Looking at the numbers it was actually the same slow pace, 30+ seconds to get a play in and snap it. To me the numbers don’t lie. Anyone who thinks yesterday somehow solved anything are mistaken. About the only thing we learned yesterday was that we have some skill guys who haven’t seen the field for some reason.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Even the scripted stuff looked painful.
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I honestly don’t consider what we do to be scripted. To me a script would be running that pistol formation with the orbit motion multiple times on drive 1. Use it for a straight HB run, P/A pass, reverse, etc. Establish some tendencies like that that put a defense in conflict. Then you can revisit later in the game. Instead we run the ball inside. Then throw screens and passes less than 5 yards into press coverage because they know that’s what we’re gonna do.
 
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The offense is painfully average. We have 9 games of data now. It’s been painfully average all year. It was slightly better yesterday? But we are who we are, a slow, average offensive team with a good defense.

If you want some positivity, we did average 6.75 a play yesterday, which was the highest number against any P4 team this year (Bethune and USF were higher, no one else). 61 yard TDs help out a lot. Would be cool to have more of those, but I won’t hold my breath. We had like 63 yards on the first 21 plays against a high school team. Syracuse is ******* pathetic.

I do think we have a shot to beat NC state because their defense is awful. So they’ll make our offense look better than it is. And I trust our defense to keep us in the game against anyone. IMO we match up better with good offense/bad defense teams than the opposite.
 
I don't get why we don't play offense with pace.

The team with the better players/athletes should always want the maximum amount of plays in a game.

Team have figured out they can crowd the box with the front 7 and then drop the safeties deep post snap and Dawson has zero answer.
 
ssvir said:
I don't get why we don't play offense with pace.

The team with the better players/athletes should always want the maximum amount of plays in a game.

Team have figured out they can crowd the box with the front 7 and then drop the safeties deep post snap and Dawson has zero answer.
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I still don’t get this one. Why would we want more plays at 5.5 yards a play? In theory you’re right. But our offense sucks. Sucking faster isn’t necessarily great. But just do something different than what you’ve been doing for 9 weeks that isn’t working. I mean, that’s some earth shattering ****.
 
caneworld said:
We don't even come up.to the line of scrimmage until there is 10 sec or less on the play clock... like the HC, zero clock awareness
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Some of it is on getting the play in and some of it’s on Beck and what he’s seeing in pre snap. Ironically he rarely audibles . That’s what made the offense so good last year , Cam was always changing the play by coverage . Beck isn’t confident enough on what he’s seeing .
 
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PennsylvaniaCane said:
First half drives

7 plays 20 yards 3:32
10 plays 37 yards 6:09
4 plays 9 yards 1:23
3 plays 6 yards - run run pass punt. 1:28
5 plays 90 yards TD (41 on a tunnel screen) 3:08

The play calling and pace in the first half was atrocious. Keep in mind the 41 yard tunnel screen was on 2nd and 12. I’d like to see a chart on how effective that play has been these last 4 weeks. That’s your call on 2nd and 12? Yeah it hit but to me it’s not a great call. Especially considering we threw the ball downfield (+10 yards)about 2x prior to that call. 29 plays 162 yards in 15:40 TOP. Against one of the worst P4 defenses out there.

2nd half drives

3 plays 78 yards TD (61 yd to Marion, good call) 1:08

9 plays 83 yards TD (good balanced drive, Pringle time) 4:52

4 plays 5 yards 1:28. This was coming off a pick that gave us the ball at their 30. 2 A gap dives and a pass on 3rd and +7. After the previous drive where we moved the ball cleanly with balance, first down throws, outside runs, etc. and we come back with that drive? Terrible

6 plays 15 yards 3:44. Again a terrible series. Slow plodding A gap runs and short check down passes.

5 plays 51 yards TD to Mauigoa. 2:56

There was some belief that we played with more tempo in the second half. Looking at the numbers it was actually the same slow pace, 30+ seconds to get a play in and snap it. To me the numbers don’t lie. Anyone who thinks yesterday somehow solved anything are mistaken. About the only thing we learned yesterday was that we have some skill guys who haven’t seen the field for some reason.
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All of what you said is true, but at least yesterday there was some confidence built up in the offense and the penalties were way down. That’s a recipe for success and hopefully we start the first half fast this coming Saturday. Going to need to do that for sure.
 
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