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hoops156 said:
I geti but it doenst work with high level coaches (again we know Mario is diff in this case). coaches in college are the GM. its not like the NFL
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Definitely true for a guy like Saban but unless we go after someone proven like him, it looks like the candidates we are looking at are not in that category yet.
 
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1mg of Epi said:
Well… if he looks at Twitter today he’ll find a lot of people telling him such things.

I see your point. In a situation like this, where objective measures like W/L don’t really tell the story, it’s easy to sell a false narrative. Even to yourself.

That said, to not jump at the opportunity to improve the program because of ego and misplaced loyalty is malpractice.
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Truth and light, truth and light.
 
Canes2082 said:
Golf is a no brainer as womens softball… every program in that state has one. There are so many girls playing competitive softball in Sfla it’s crazy
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Title 9 hurts these non revenue sports. I swam at UM in the 80’s. We dropped the men’s team in the 90’ due to having to have the same number of men’s and women’s teams. Said for sure!
 
This **** that frenk fired Blake lol @ that

Blake was told to part ways with Manny after fsu and he refused and was let go at that point..had zip zero zilch to do with frenk
 
CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
So I only follow UM athletics so I don't know if this is consistent across the college landscape. But is this normal or is it unique to UM? Every single BOT member has had a fair amount of success in whatever business venture they've been apart of. This kind of behavior, posturing, and in fighting, though it happens, would not be tolerated in the business world. There are always policies and processes employed to prevent conflicts of interest and other unsavory (just wanted to use the word) developments. None of that seems to be present at UM.

And another thing; why are there so many BOT members for a university with less than 15k enrolled? What, does each undergrad get their own BOT member?
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YES! It's called REPRESENTATION, you heathen! (kidding, of course)

I think most universities have these issues at times. May not always be public. I remember Auburn having some issues with the Yellawood guy and the Colonial Bank guy.
 
RedPill Stepdad said:
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David Lake is wrong.

Paragraph one: the "power struggle" is "disingenuous".

Paragraph two: the BOT leakers are "disingenuous".

Proposed Paragraph three: THE WHOLE WORLD IS DISINGENUOUS!

Don't know how many times it needs to be said. While Frenk (or any prior UM President) has disproportionate influence (i.e., more than just "one vote" out of 84 on the BOT), but BIG HIRES AND BIG CONTRACTS STILL REQUIRE BOT APPROVAL. And I don't know why this needs to be repeated either, but ESPECIALLY WHEN FRENK WANTS A NEW 5-YEAR CONTRACT.

Regardless of what David Lake thinks, Frenk is not suddenly going to grow a backbone and go all Godzilla on the Tokyo BOT.
 
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RightSaidFred said:
Your work colleagues sound like smart people, you should listen to them more.

Good athletes can be found all over the world, the difference is how they are trained. In the America, you go to high school and play your sport on the side. You go to college, and play your sport on the side. You only go full-time when you go pro (except baseball I think).

In Latin America and Europe, for soccer, if you have skills at a young age they pull your *** out of school and you do nothing but play soccer 24/7 in a development league. The best time to develop any motor skill is when you're a kid, but in USA they split their time with school.

That's why I read these articles about how the US is improving at soccer and I'm like "nope." The only way you ever catch up to Europe and Latin America is if they wake up one day and decide it's more important for little Johnny to learn how to read than dribble a soccer ball. But for now, that ain't happening. And if your kid is practicing 3 hours a day and the Brazilians are practicing 12 hours when they're kids and their motor skills are developing, that's the difference and it ain't changing.

It's also why if you had an American college football team from the 80's and they played one from today, the 80's team would destroy today's team. Put the '87 Hurricanes in a time machine and have them play last year's Alabama team, and the Canes would destroy them. Most would disagree - people by nature just want to believe that things are always improving and moving forward, they would talk about training methods etc getting better, but that's not true. The fact is they practiced longer and harder in the 80's, because the NCAA allowed it. The new rules limiting practice time makes for worse athletes.

As for Olympic sports, US is the best because you have Title 9 and so you have money going in to it. Other countries (besides maybe the old USSR) don't have academy models for olympic sports like they do for soccer, so that's not really relevant to compare.

So that's a long answer all just to say.... how good you are at a sport is directly related to how long and hard you practice. Especially when you're young.
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So what happens when that person doesn't achieve success in their sport or gets a career ending injury?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
David Lake is wrong.

Paragraph one: the "power struggle" is "disingenuous".

Paragraph two: the BOT leakers are "disingenuous".

Proposed Paragraph three: THE WHOLE WORLD IS DISINGENUOUS!

Don't know how many times it needs to be said. While Frenk (or any prior UM President) has disproportionate influence (i.e., more than just "one vote" out of 84 on the BOT), but BIG HIRES AND BIG CONTRACTS STILL REQUIRE BOT APPROVAL. And I don't know why this needs to be repeated either, but ESPECIALLY WHEN FRENK WANTS A NEW 5-YEAR CONTRACT.

Regardless of what David Lake thinks, Frenk is not suddenly going to grow a backbone and go all Godzilla on the Tokyo BOT.
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He doesn't have to "go all Godzilla" on the entire BOT .. just side with the faction that is in favor of an aggressive AD (Mas group?). Power transfer within the BOT.
 
JD08 said:
So what happens when that person doesn't achieve success in their sport or gets a career ending injury?
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Hey I didn't say it was a good system, just that it produces better athletes. I like the American model better, at least through high school. Some things are more important than sports, like learning how to read, for example.

I do think, though, that by the time you're old enough for college, then you should be playing full time. I think the NCAA / college sports model is outdated.

For football, the NFL really should have a minor league and manage it the way baseball teams do.
 
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RightSaidFred said:
Hey I didn't say it was a good system, just that it produces better athletes. I like the American model better, at least through high school. Some things are more important than sports, like learning how to read, for example.

I do think, though, that by the time you're old enough for college, then you should be playing full time. I think the NCAA / college sports model is outdated.

For football, the NFL really should have a minor league and manage it the way baseball teams do.
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It's also a question of why colleges have sports. It was not intended to be just a training ground for the NFL. The odds of making it that far aren't in the players' favor. Some people suggest a minor league, but isn't it better that the players get an education?
 
TruCane81 said:
Bro I said FOR US.

We don’t have an on campus stadium. We don’t have a huge alumni base for connections after graduation. We don’t drop huge bags.

Our strengths are different and winning is the thing that equalizes our strengths with other schools. Without it, we are at a big disadvantage on the trail.

Mullen’s a weird dude who doesn’t prioritize recruiting and didn’t really hire coaches to sell for him.

If Mario gets here and starts pumping out 7 win seasons, recruits will tune him out. He will have the benefit of the doubt for a few years, but he shouldn’t waste it.

Mario can sell, but you can only sell a crap product for so long before people stop buying.
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See where I disagree are the times. I think during the 80's 90's early 00's......we got the best players. Rankings weren't as accurate no social media and we saw with our eyes who were the best. We have monster evaluators and alphas trying to win. If your an elite recruiter one of the best of the best u can convince a high value target to come to UM after 6 wins.....it just depends how gifted u are. When we won it was because we got the best players and it's as simple as that. Until that changes we won't win I promise u on my life we won't win until that changes.

I have seen all world players like Clowney go to USCw and they do not win ****. Monster targets go to losing programs cause they have bags/"gifted recruiters" who take care of u. What I have heard over the years is Mario knows the game and if he can convince kids to go to OU he can do it here.
 
JD08 said:
It's also a question of why colleges have sports. It was not intended to be just a training ground for the NFL. The odds of making it that far aren't in the players' favor. Some people suggest a minor league, but isn't it better that the players get an education?
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I think a minor league is better, the main reason being injuries. You can be Marcus Lattimore or Willis McGahee and get hurt in college, while getting paid nothing. Sure there are NIL deals nowadays, but it's still not close to the market value these players actually create.

I say you can always go back to college. There is no rule that you have to go when you're 18. In fact, you'll probably get more out of it if you go later in life when you're more mature. If you don't cut it in the minors, then go back to school. ****, I think a lot of minor league baseball teams offer to pay for that as part of the signing package.
 
RightSaidFred said:
Your work colleagues sound like smart people, you should listen to them more.

Good athletes can be found all over the world, the difference is how they are trained. In the America, you go to high school and play your sport on the side. You go to college, and play your sport on the side. You only go full-time when you go pro (except baseball I think).

In Latin America and Europe, for soccer, if you have skills at a young age they pull your *** out of school and you do nothing but play soccer 24/7 in a development league. The best time to develop any motor skill is when you're a kid, but in USA they split their time with school.

That's why I read these articles about how the US is improving at soccer and I'm like "nope." The only way you ever catch up to Europe and Latin America is if they wake up one day and decide it's more important for little Johnny to learn how to read than dribble a soccer ball. But for now, that ain't happening. And if your kid is practicing 3 hours a day and the Brazilians are practicing 12 hours when they're kids and their motor skills are developing, that's the difference and it ain't changing.

It's also why if you had an American college football team from the 80's and they played one from today, the 80's team would destroy today's team. Put the '87 Hurricanes in a time machine and have them play last year's Alabama team, and the Canes would destroy them. Most would disagree - people by nature just want to believe that things are always improving and moving forward, they would talk about training methods etc getting better, but that's not true. The fact is they practiced longer and harder in the 80's, because the NCAA allowed it. The new rules limiting practice time makes for worse athletes.

As for Olympic sports, US is the best because you have Title 9 and so you have money going in to it. Other countries (besides maybe the old USSR) don't have academy models for olympic sports like they do for soccer, so that's not really relevant to compare.

So that's a long answer all just to say.... how good you are at a sport is directly related to how long and hard you practice. Especially when you're young.
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I can't speak for Latin America, but that's simply not true in Europe.

For example, this is the school that Manchester City FC sends all of it's Academy players to: https://sbcm.co.uk/academic/man-city-football-academy/
(Etihad Stadium is just of the screen to the left, the school is that cluster of buildings in the top right).

Clubs that don't operate an Academy at the level of Manchester City simply send their youngsters to a normal school, but ban them from taking part in any organised sports. They train in the evenings.
 
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