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k9cane · Nov 22, 2021

filmcane said:
Absolutely! There are tons of examples, but the one that immediately comes to mind it Dabo. He kept finding one stud, "Program Altering" QB after another and with the other good work he did on the rest of the team and staff, lifted them to the lofty place they've been up to this season.

Yet another reason why we need to hope against hope that Garcia sticks with us when TVD (most likely) goes to the league after this coming season. If we could have two stud QB's in a row, playing in offenses that leverage their abilities, we can absolute do what Clemson did in rising and staying in the elite (again, this season withstanding).

I call it 'the Paul Hackett Syndrome' -- who got great gigs for about 15 years because of his association with a young Joe Montana

Cribby · Nov 22, 2021

ColdCane said:
If jurich was cleared then let’s go msn

Would we really wait all the way till January tho ? With recruiting and what not ? I know the class is pretty much shot but gotta convince some kids to wait till Feb and give him a chance to speak his peace

What kids?

razrcane · Nov 22, 2021

Cribby said:
It’s way bigger than personalities.

I’m talking the reason why he was kicked to the curb so suddenly. Saying this guy has baggage is an understatement. Unlike Jurich i get some hesitancy with him.

Oh I've heard many things about his personal life especially living in bama and knowing some boosters in bama, but as long as he's not getting a program on probation then what he does in his free time is his business.

Canesmia01 · Nov 22, 2021

Pentagon Cane said:
Against Auburn this year? Corral played the entire game except for a series where his backup led Ole Miss finished up a touchdown drive.

He started the game and finished the game. I thought he missed more than one drive. Either way they put up 20 and lost. My point is going recruit heavy or scheme heavy each has its flaws. I’d take Mario OR Lane in a heartbeat.

JustAFanHTX · Nov 22, 2021

Bender said:
Fusion dance, just because Vegeta got so ****ed when he was told what to do.

Facts

Hurracanes · Nov 22, 2021

Cribby said:
It’s a Sr laden team with a great qb prospect. That’s normally a good recipe.

There’s a reason he wants out so bad. His stock is as high as it’ll likely be for awhile.

Mullen tried to pull the same stunt last year with the NFL. He knew what was going to happen this season with this team (probably didn’t think he’d get fired). It’s actually smart. Lane knows what’s happening next year.

DMoney · Nov 22, 2021

terdferguson said:
I'd say you're missing the point, but I doubt you are. Regardless of the expense and what school the new coach is from, there's a right way and wrong way to conduct a search. You want to conduct the search in a manner that gives you the best odds of success. Going after one guy without fully evaluating all candidates is not that. That's fact that's not debatable.

How do you know they haven't evaluated other candidates? This all started after Michigan State.

PIPO · Nov 22, 2021

BigCaneAl said:
One name that’s conspicuously absent in all these talks is Paul DiMare….just curious. I’m sure he’ll want someone that won’t fire his son.

That one will get sorted out in about 2 years

DepressedIbis · Nov 22, 2021

bhall960 said:
Do you wholeheartedly believe Mario is worth the money it would require to pry him from Oregon?

Be honest. Do you think he is worthy of 8-10 million a year?

No. But he is an upgrade over Golden and Diaz and we will always dominate recruiting. I would take 9-3 every year with the occasional bowl win over what we have been

Canedude08 said:
So, a bunch of people that grew up in the same circles pushing someone from the same circles for a job. Yep, sounds like Miami. Mario is qualified, but he isn't my first choice. I want some fresh perspectives, not a bunch of people jerking off talking about how Miami used to be. That is why I want Jurich as an AD. He isn't loyal or tied to the old guard, he can do whatever he wants. Same with Lane. No ties. Just win. Get me those people.

Wish I could like this a thousand times. Why is Bama so good every year? Saban continually hires new people and changes with the trends of the game. Just like Belichick in New England. Meanwhile, Miami needs a “Miami guy” even if his resume is worthy of being a janitor.

Canesmia01 · Nov 22, 2021

razrcane said:
Oh I've heard many things about his personal life especially living in bama and knowing some boosters in bama, but as long as he's not getting a program on probation then what he does in his free time is his business.

The problem is that his personal life will be way more obvious and seen in Miami than in Bama. And our reporters aren’t under the school payroll. Sht will get out and be blown up here if anything happens.

PIPO · Nov 22, 2021

AUcane said:
I assume you meant spit. That ain’t the only thing she’s swapping I’m sure

Yes, I edited post. Stupid phone. Thx

razrcane · Nov 22, 2021

Canesmia01 said:
That is my point. Mario will always have the better roster due to his strength at recruiting. Lane has to depend more on scheme.

The problem is even with that talented roster he will still drop games to teams he has no business losing to which sounds very familiar to what we've been experiencing the last 15 years. Now I do think we win the coastal with Mario but I just don't see him getting us over the hump to win that next national championship.

Cribby · Nov 22, 2021

razrcane said:
Oh I agree it's a senior laden team but if he does win it you can't take that away from him because it's not like Ole Miss hasn't had senior laden teams before. Heck they had Eli and still didn't win 10 regular season games. I don't blame him for wanting out. You have to strike while the iron is hot and he definitely does not fit in with the Oxford crowd.

No doubt. I think we could do a lot worse. I’m pointing out how silly it is to destroy Mario but then say how great Lane is. There’s no hire that doesn’t have flaws. I just like the flaws of the guy who’ll load this roster up in 3-4 years.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes · Nov 22, 2021

Andrew said:
Because Lane play calling + recruiting is probably better than Mario recruiting. Mario is probably the better recruiter but Lane can call a much better offense. Mario would need to essentially find a OC that is of the same caliber as Lane or Sark.

derp

Andrew said:
Ha, I tried telling everyone that Manny was going to show out. I am excited to see what the rest of the season holds.

fincane · Nov 22, 2021

CaneThang2020 said:
Well, Lashlee must be super multi-dimensional because Mario wanted to hire him as his OC but Lashlee chose Miami over Oregon. TVD sure as heck isn't running a conservative run-first offense, unless my eyes have been lying to me for the past 5 weeks or so.

If Mario comes and manages to retain Lashlee, it will be the same offense we've seen TVD thrive in during the 2nd half of this season. Mario gives the O-line a massive shot in the arm which helps the run game, gives the passing game/OC/QB duties to Lashlee, and then makes a legit DC hire. We'd be cooking

Why do you think Lashlee chose Miami over Oregon? Could it be that Manny gave Lashlee free run and Mario didn't? If Mario retains Lashlee, Lashlee will run the offense Mario wants and if you think we're gonna see what we've seen in TVD's best moments you're mistaken. Mario will look at some of those droughts we go through and demand a more concerted effort to run the football. And you don't just fix the OL just by his presence. That is done by multiple recruiting classes. He will want to be "physical at the LOS" and eat clock. Thats who he is.

Cribby · Nov 22, 2021

DMoney said:
How do you know they haven't evaluated other candidates? This all started after Michigan State.

This is the point I keep trying to make. This didn’t just start, the wheels have been set in motion for awhile.

OrangeBowlMagic · Nov 22, 2021

DMoney said:
How do you know they haven't evaluated other candidates? This all started after Michigan State.

LOL haven't most of us been around long enough to know things like this? It's like a guy in the Napier to UF thread. He's baffled how people can think they're moving on hiring Napier (and I'm not saying they are or aren't) because Mullen was fired yesterday. Just because he was actually terminated yesterday doesn't mean he wasn't hypothetically fired several weeks ago. Do people really think the world is this reactionary?

OriginalCanesCanesCanes · Nov 22, 2021

Pentagon Cane said:
Unless Miami is printing its own money, exactly how do you think it works? Hey Mr. Billionaire, gives us $10 million and thanks for playing. Give us more in 4 years for the next disaster. You think they are pushing for Cristobal, because they remember a great time they all had a Snuffy's back in the day? They think he has the gravitas to lead the football team. They may be wrong. Again, this is the first time real big money is willing to invest in the long term to the athletic department. Half the posters on here are fans. They never went to Miami. They don't have season tickets. They never go to games. It is comical.

Way more than half

Cryptical Envelopment · Nov 22, 2021

Let's talk about the market. Go to your favorite sports sites and read about the current state of CFB coaching searches. When they talk about elite open jobs, they are only mentioning LSU, USC, and UF. You will never see a mention of the Miami job in that tier.

Conversely, you will see that all of these elite teams either want Mario or are at least interested in if he would leave Oregon.

That should give everyone a cold dose of reality about who we are right now, and who Mario is right now. We would be LUCKY to have him. The ONLY reason he is interested in Miami, why we are in the conversation for him is BECAUSE we'd be hiring a Miami guy, which is what you guys are trying to kill the program by avoiding. Learn how to take the win instead of cutting off your noses to spite your faces.

Maybe these links will help all the self-doubters realize what a coup he would be for us.

Mario Cristobal to LSU? It doesn't seem right, but some think it's possible

We have discussed Mario Cristobal's place in the coaching carousel over the past five weeks since Clay Helton got fired. We have written articles about Oregon's head coach. We have podcasted about him. Outsiders not intimately familiar with the Pac-12 thought he was a…

trojanswire.usatoday.com

MiamiChris · Nov 22, 2021

DMoney said:
I recorded a long podcast, released it Friday, became uncomfortable with some of the details revealed and deleted it. But since most of the info was kosher, figured I would update it and post the thrust of it here.

First, a timeline. Manny and Blake were cooked with the important people after Michigan State. The bye week only added to the wave of anger. Then, Kirk Herbstreit made his comments about the administration. This led directly to Frenk putting out his statement before the Virginia game. The writing was on the wall for Blake at this point.

It is important to understand the players here. Frenk knows what he doesn't know, so he appointed two trusted people to act on his behalf with the football nitty-gritty: Joe Echevarria (CEO of UHealth) and Rudy Fernandez (Chief of Staff to the President).

The two are considered excellent complements of each other. Echevarria is a Bronx Puerto Rican who grew up with a single mom and rose all the way to CEO of Deloitte. He is also the CEO of Obama's My Brother's Keeper Alliance. Fernandez is a Cuban, Miami-born Harvard grad who worked in the George W. Bush White House. He is very in tune with governmental relations, while Echevarria is a business guy. Rudy is a diehard Canes fan- he follows CanesInSight on Twitter and frequently retweets or likes recruiting minutia. These are the point men from the University side and they are very involved.

The next set of players are financial backers. Some of these individuals are also very tied into the university. The main name here is Jose Mas. We've talked about the Mas brothers, but Jose (CEO of MasTec) is the lead here. The Mas brothers are owners of Inter Miami CF (the local MLS team) and taking an increased role in sports. They are also Columbus grads.

The newer player is John Ruiz. He is a Miami lawyer who helped develop a system of recovering government payments that should have been paid by insurance. If his SPAC deal goes through, he is in line to be worth over $20 billion and become the richest man in Florida. You can read more about it here. His son played baseball for Miami and he is interested in sports ownership with his newfound wealth. Ruiz is related to Cristobal through marriage.

A famous name is Marcus Lemonis, CEO of Camping World and star of CNBC reality show "The Profit." Lemonis has been active with the program in recent months. You can see him on Twitter liking numerous posts critical of the Athletic Department and program. Lemonis is a Columbus grad.

Two more names are Carol Soffer and Dan Lambert. The Soffer family is worth billions and developed Aventura, Florida. She is a hardcore UM sports fan who is seen regularly at all athletics events. The IPF is named after her. Lambert made money on cruises and has gained some fame as owner of the American Top Team gym and a manager on All Elite Wrestling. He put together the $500/month NIL deal ($540K total) for every player on the team. He also started a marketing company called "Bring Back the U" with the goal of bringing donors together to use the NIL program to benefit student-athletes. This ran into hurdles with the problems on the field.

Soffer and Lambert speak frequently and were both incensed at the 2019 debacle, including the FIU loss. They were driving forces in promoting Alonzo Highsmith for an advisory role to Manny. That fell through in spectacular fashion, even as I was told by sources with direct knowledge that it was a done deal. That 2019 fiasco soured many key people on Blake and Manny. Highsmith briefly spoke to Oregon about a job after that, but those discussions fizzled out.

So now to the coaching search. It's not hard to see the connections here. Mas and Lemonis went to Columbus, as did Cristobal. Ruiz is related to Cristobal through marriage. Highsmith went to Columbus. Cristobal is the top target.

Based on everything I've been told, money is not an issue. You can't put that message out and then get outbid by Oregon. It would set back the perception of our program worse than it was before. Cristobal has a side deal with Knight (seven-figures) but has to pay onerous state income taxes in Oregon. I expect us to match Oregon's financial commitment and force Cristobal to say no.

I'm told that the biggest factor in Oregon's favor is that he wants to coach his recruits. Cristobal believes he can win a championship there. However, speaking personally as a Cuban with deep Oregon ties, the cultural pull to Miami will be strong. And there are major issues with the Oregon QB room. There is buzz that the receivers have no faith in the people passing the ball. Miami offers a much deeper QB room that will allow for immediate success.

My educated guess is that he will pick Miami, all else being equal. The biggest hurdle was the playoff push, and that's over. Here is something worth noting: on late Thursday night, there was a Canes Twitter Spaces (basically a live podcast stream) with guys like Manny Navarro discussing the program. One notable name joined the call before getting spotted: Oregon OL coach and Columbus grad Alex Mirabal.

On the Lane side, I am told by sources connected to Ole Miss that Lane wants the Miami job. Ole Miss is one of the most senior-heavy teams in the country and Matt Corral is leaving. I don't have confirmation on our interest but have heard his name mentioned enough to believe it is real. Florida is the other team to watch but they may be zeroing in on Napier. There was initially some LSU buzz with Lane, but that has faded considerably.

There is a ton of misinformation being thrown out on the AD search. I've heard three different names in two days from credible people. Here is what I know for sure: CIS was the first to report on the same day UM fired Blake that Tom Jurich had considerable interest in the job. That hasn't changed. He lives in Tampa and has been in communication with key decisionmakers identified above. There is considerable support for him as a candidate. The big hurdle, obviously, is his departure from Louisville and claims that he was insubordinate by refusing to fire Pitino. As a pure AD candidate, he is perfect.

I would expect Alonzo to have a role, if not AD. He was spotted speaking at length with Echevarria at the Georgia Tech game.

One last thing to clear up. I've posted a lot about Mario, so people assume I am a Mario-or-bust guy. The truth is I want a proven P5 head coach. That's why I didn't push for Mario or Manny in 2018. Now that we are in 2021, both Mario and Lane meet that criteria. I lean Mario because of sustainability and high floor, but both guys would be incredibly exciting hires.

This search reminds me of 2015. Stu Miller (billionaire chairman of Lennar) was so disgusted by the Clemson massacre that he took control of the operation and demanded a proven, P5 head coach. They ended up paying big for Richt. The timing of that was off, but they were focused on the right things and our results were the best in 15 years. I think this search will be similar with a rising (instead of a fading) candidate.

As an aside, the reporting on this one has been unusually accurate. Mike Ryan Ruiz is a friend and I know he is providing legit info. I don't know David Lake but his source is accurate as well. We know what the plan is. Now it's just about executing.

Can we pay for the deleted podcast

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