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RiDLer80 said:
If Mario can't find a good QB on the west coast then that's a **** problem. They grow QBs out there like SoFla grows DBs
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He didn't sign a QB in the 2018 class - 2 months after he started. 2019 he signed 1 kid and the kid has transferred. 2020 was 2 guys who didn't play last year and one of them is supposed to be pretty good (Butterfield). 2021 class had a stud 5 star kid who is supposed to be the guy next year.
 
Cribby said:
To all the anti Mario people but pro Lane please explain how one can have those strong opinions. I’m not even an anti Lane guy but that dudes resume is the definition of meh. He’s had as many bad moments as good. He’s a great play caller but somebody known not to love recruiting, rubs people the wrong way and thinks he’s smarter than he really is. Does that sound familiar ? That guy just got fired at UF, only difference one is risky as **** off the field. Like I said I’m not anti Lane , I’ve actually defended him a lot. I just don’t get ripping a guy with a better resume and a far better recruiter , but you love this guy.
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Because most of our fans are in their 20s and would rather have tik tok press conferences than 10 win seasons
 
DMoney said:
This is backwards.

Miami has had four coaching searches in 15 years. We never went after the current coach of a high-end Power 5 program because it was unrealistic. We ended up going after coordinators, G5 coaches or recently fired coaches. The only reason a guy like Mario is realistic here is because of the Miami ties.
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This. You only need a search committee if you have zero contacts/connections. If you do - like the big boys do - you don't need a search committee.
 
Cribby said:
This is Miami, all of you should know Jurichs past is the hold up. There’s older Bot members concerned about that and other issues that happened on his watch while at UL. That’s the same reason some folks have doubts about Miami hiring Lane. There’s members that worry about the image of the program and are nervous about hiring anyone with some checkered pasts. The other group wants Jurich, most of those pushing for him are the same ones taking the program to the next level. That should tell you what group is pushing for the same ole typical hire.
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Yep, we know those academic types on their high horses..
 
Cribby said:
To all the anti Mario people but pro Lane please explain how one can have those strong opinions. I’m not even an anti Lane guy but that dudes resume is the definition of meh. He’s had as many bad moments as good. He’s a great play caller but somebody known not to love recruiting, rubs people the wrong way and thinks he’s smarter than he really is. Does that sound familiar ? That guy just got fired at UF, only difference one is risky as **** off the field. Like I said I’m not anti Lane , I’ve actually defended him a lot. I just don’t get ripping a guy with a better resume and a far better recruiter , but you love this guy.
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I'm not anti-Mario and would be pleased to have him, but I do think that what is clouding things is his offensive reputation as HC over the last couple years. Honestly, if he is willing to get two stud, aggressive coordinators that matched the speed and athleticism of SoFL, we will be a juggernaught by the end of the second season.

But the offensive approach I think is the concern. That and whether it's fair or unfair, there is a fear that Mario will need to build for 2-3 years to see results, whereas, Lane could come in this year and almost certainly win the Coastal, with a good chance of taking the ACC and depending on his DC choice, maybe even a dark horse for the CFP.

All that stated, I be will ecstatic if Mario announces for us in the next month. But, those above thoughts represent a lot of the hesitancy you're seeing toward Mario.
 
DMoney said:
This is backwards.

Miami has had four coaching searches in 15 years. We never went after the current coach HC of a high-end Power 5 program because it was unrealistic. We ended up going after coordinators, G5 coaches or recently fired coaches. The only reason a guy like Mario is realistic here is because of the Miami ties.
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This is wrong

The only reason those searches went the way they did because we weren't doing what it took to get a guy of that caliber. And the only reason a guy like Mario overrated though he is is considering Miami because we're now willing to spend. If we were willing to do what it took to be a big time program then we could've gotten someone good.

Mario is doing us no favors. If we were still operating like a poor mom and pop instead of a flush with cash nepotism based crony filled operation Mario would be focused on losing to the Beavers in his home stadium.
 
DMoney said:
I recorded a long podcast, released it Friday, became uncomfortable with some of the details revealed and deleted it. But since most of the info was kosher, figured I would update it and post the thrust of it here.

First, a timeline. Manny and Blake were cooked with the important people after Michigan State. The bye week only added to the wave of anger. Then, Kirk Herbstreit made his comments about the administration. This led directly to Frenk putting out his statement before the Virginia game. The writing was on the wall for Blake at this point.

It is important to understand the players here. Frenk knows what he doesn't know, so he appointed two trusted people to act on his behalf with the football nitty-gritty: Joe Echevarria (CEO of UHealth) and Rudy Fernandez (Chief of Staff to the President).

The two are considered excellent complements of each other. Echevarria is a Bronx Puerto Rican who grew up with a single mom and rose all the way to CEO of Deloitte. He is also the CEO of Obama's My Brother's Keeper Alliance. Fernandez is a Cuban, Miami-born Harvard grad who worked in the George W. Bush White House. He is very in tune with governmental relations, while Echevarria is a business guy. Rudy is a diehard Canes fan- he follows CanesInSight on Twitter and frequently retweets or likes recruiting minutia. These are the point men from the University side and they are very involved.

The next set of players are financial backers. Some of these individuals are also very tied into the university. The main name here is Jose Mas. We've talked about the Mas brothers, but Jose (CEO of MasTec) is the lead here. The Mas brothers are owners of Inter Miami CF (the local MLS team) and taking an increased role in sports. They are also Columbus grads.

The newer player is John Ruiz. He is a Miami lawyer who helped develop a system of recovering government payments that should have been paid by insurance. If his SPAC deal goes through, he is in line to be worth over $20 billion and become the richest man in Florida. You can read more about it here. His son played baseball for Miami and he is interested in sports ownership with his newfound wealth. Ruiz is related to Cristobal through marriage.

A famous name is Marcus Lemonis, CEO of Camping World and star of CNBC reality show "The Profit." Lemonis has been active with the program in recent months. You can see him on Twitter liking numerous posts critical of the Athletic Department and program. Lemonis is a Columbus grad.

Two more names are Carol Soffer and Dan Lambert. The Soffer family is worth billions and developed Aventura, Florida. She is a hardcore UM sports fan who is seen regularly at all athletics events. The IPF is named after her. Lambert made money on cruises and has gained some fame as owner of the American Top Team gym and a manager on All Elite Wrestling. He put together the $500/month NIL deal ($540K total) for every player on the team. He also started a marketing company called "Bring Back the U" with the goal of bringing donors together to use the NIL program to benefit student-athletes. This ran into hurdles with the problems on the field.

Soffer and Lambert speak frequently and were both incensed at the 2019 debacle, including the FIU loss. They were driving forces in promoting Alonzo Highsmith for an advisory role to Manny. That fell through in spectacular fashion, even as I was told by sources with direct knowledge that it was a done deal. That 2019 fiasco soured many key people on Blake and Manny. Highsmith briefly spoke to Oregon about a job after that, but those discussions fizzled out.

So now to the coaching search. It's not hard to see the connections here. Mas and Lemonis went to Columbus, as did Cristobal. Ruiz is related to Cristobal through marriage. Highsmith went to Columbus. Cristobal is the top target.

Based on everything I've been told, money is not an issue. You can't put that message out and then get outbid by Oregon. It would set back the perception of our program worse than it was before. Cristobal has a side deal with Knight (seven-figures) but has to pay onerous state income taxes in Oregon. I expect us to match Oregon's financial commitment and force Cristobal to say no.

I'm told that the biggest factor in Oregon's favor is that he wants to coach his recruits. Cristobal believes he can win a championship there. However, speaking personally as a Cuban with deep Oregon ties, the cultural pull to Miami will be strong. And there are major issues with the Oregon QB room. There is buzz that the receivers have no faith in the people passing the ball. Miami offers a much deeper QB room that will allow for immediate success.

My educated guess is that he will pick Miami, all else being equal. The biggest hurdle was the playoff push, and that's over. Here is something worth noting: on late Thursday night, there was a Canes Twitter Spaces (basically a live podcast stream) with guys like Manny Navarro discussing the program. One notable name joined the call before getting spotted: Oregon OL coach and Columbus grad Alex Mirabal.

On the Lane side, I am told by sources connected to Ole Miss that Lane wants the Miami job. Ole Miss is one of the most senior-heavy teams in the country and Matt Corral is leaving. I don't have confirmation on our interest but have heard his name mentioned enough to believe it is real. Florida is the other team to watch but they may be zeroing in on Napier. There was initially some LSU buzz with Lane, but that has faded considerably.

There is a ton of misinformation being thrown out on the AD search. I've heard three different names in two days from credible people. Here is what I know for sure: CIS was the first to report on the same day UM fired Blake that Tom Jurich had considerable interest in the job. That hasn't changed. He lives in Tampa and has been in communication with key decisionmakers identified above. There is considerable support for him as a candidate. The big hurdle, obviously, is his departure from Louisville and claims that he was insubordinate by refusing to fire Pitino. As a pure AD candidate, he is perfect.

I would expect Alonzo to have a role, if not AD. He was spotted speaking at length with Echevarria at the Georgia Tech game.

One last thing to clear up. I've posted a lot about Mario, so people assume I am a Mario-or-bust guy. The truth is I want a proven P5 head coach. That's why I didn't push for Mario or Manny in 2018. Now that we are in 2021, both Mario and Lane meet that criteria. I lean Mario because of sustainability and high floor, but both guys would be incredibly exciting hires.

This search reminds me of 2015. Stu Miller (billionaire chairman of Lennar) was so disgusted by the Clemson massacre that he took control of the operation and demanded a proven, P5 head coach. They ended up paying big for Richt. The timing of that was off, but they were focused on the right things and our results were the best in 15 years. I think this search will be similar with a rising (instead of a fading) candidate.

As an aside, the reporting on this one has been unusually accurate. Mike Ryan Ruiz is a friend and I know he is providing legit info. I don't know David Lake but his source is accurate as well. We know what the plan is. Now it's just about executing.
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Most encouraging post I have seen here in a long, long time. Thanks.
 
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Cribby said:
This is Miami, all of you should know Jurichs past is the hold up. There’s older Bot members concerned about that and other issues that happened on his watch while at UL. That’s the same reason some folks have doubts about Miami hiring Lane. There’s members that worry about the image of the program and are nervous about hiring anyone with some checkered pasts. The other group wants Jurich, most of those pushing for him are the same ones taking the program to the next level. That should tell you what group is pushing for the same ole typical hire.
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FYI everybody these are the same people that are still backing Manny as well. The little fcking weasels. They are the embodiment of the last 20 years.
 
QuattroCane said:
Most BOT don't put as much emphasis on athletic success as the regular fan.
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Absolutely true. Even more the reason we need these “Columbus backers” you guys seem to despise to win out here. The alternative is the same crap we’ve been dealing with for twenty years.

Mas brothers aren’t stupid. None of those guys that DMoney mentioned are stupid. They’ll back those old heads into a corner, show them their plan and push more money than this program has ever seen in front of their noses… and if they don’t get their way somehow, wouldn’t be surprised to seem them flick em off and take their money with them.
 
ThomasM said:
At one point in his career, **** yes he was. Later on when Miami was down was when he thought he could simply out talent teams. He put it on cruise control and the program fell apart. He didn't take his own advice.

Going into either the 98 or 99 season he made a comment on how he hardly had to coach anymore, because if you have the fastest horses, you're going to win the dog gone race. He would think that after trouncing Miami in 97. He's a great example of thinking talent alone would keep the program going, even with the quote about recruiters.

Thing is, Bobby was a great recruiter, and coach. He just let his coaching slip late in his career.
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UM was down during his 2 NCs (93,99) but he had 3 Excellent Coordinators, Brad Scott/Richt, and Andrews....
 
SWFLHurricane said:
Welp, they need to start ****ing...
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Cribby said:
To all the anti Mario people but pro Lane please explain how one can have those strong opinions. I’m not even an anti Lane guy but that dudes resume is the definition of meh. He’s had as many bad moments as good. He’s a great play caller but somebody known not to love recruiting, rubs people the wrong way and thinks he’s smarter than he really is. Does that sound familiar ? That guy just got fired at UF, only difference one is risky as **** off the field. Like I said I’m not anti Lane , I’ve actually defended him a lot. I just don’t get ripping a guy with a better resume and a far better recruiter , but you love this guy.
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All your points are correct. The biggest selling point for Lane is X's and O's and the theory that we will outscheme and outcoach other teams and not rely on out-talenting teams. I see Mario as a higher floor, lower ceiling and Kiffin as higher risk, higher reward.
 
fincane said:
Great to know the guy who would be the future OL coach took the time during the biggest game prep week of his career to listen to a chat led by of all people Manny Navarro. He could be distracted by a shiny nickel.
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Why hate? The search could affect his life. And it was at night, right?

Meanwhile you are spending your day posting on a hobby website when you could be working and bettering your family's prospects.

Perspective is everything, no?:)
 
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Cribby said:
To all the anti Mario people but pro Lane please explain how one can have those strong opinions. I’m not even an anti Lane guy but that dudes resume is the definition of meh. He’s had as many bad moments as good. He’s a great play caller but somebody known not to love recruiting, rubs people the wrong way and thinks he’s smarter than he really is. Does that sound familiar ? That guy just got fired at UF, only difference one is risky as **** off the field. Like I said I’m not anti Lane , I’ve actually defended him a lot. I just don’t get ripping a guy with a better resume and a far better recruiter , but you love this guy.
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If Lane looked like Larry Coker, no one here would want him. Lots of undercover man crushes driving opinion here.
 
ThomasM said:
Exactly what I read as well. That's EXACTLY what we need.

I'm sorry, Mario is better than Manny, but it's a **** of a price for a guy that is simply better than Manny. I want an Xs and Os coach that can kick the crap out of teams with our talent advantage AND with his coaching skills. If we are relying on out talenting people, we're going to fail miserably. If recruiting is his thing, I'll just remind you what Bobby Bowden said about great recruiters. They are known as great recruiters because they can recruit, but not coach. If they were a great coach, they'd be called a great coach.

I don't want the nepotism anymore. Yes, Mario would be an upgrade. No, he's not worth breaking the bank for. The only, ONLY reason they are willing to pay him so much is because he's one of their own. Is that really what we want? Haven't we learned anything?
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This is where I've got to also.
 
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