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Empirical Cane said:
You have ZERO idea what you are talking about.

Actually, less than zero.

And Magnus and Navy SEALs aren't on cutting edge of sport science?

Stop talking, go to your room, and think about what you have done. Think deep thoughts on your delusions.

Each their own.
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Yikes. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

I'll go back to my room with my BS and MS in Exercise Physiology with concentrations in Strength and Conditioning, which hang up next to my Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist, Certified Strength Coach and USA Weightlifting Certified Sports Performance Coach certifications, which happen to be above my bookshelf of strength training, physiology, biomechanics and sports performance textbooks and manuals I've acquired over the last 11 years of training, in addition to my literal hundreds of athletes trained in the private sector as well as my P5 internship for Strength and Conditioning.

It's one thing when I disagree with colleagues or friends of mine about something semantic in the way to train someone most effectively, but to actually accuse someone of having "less than zero" idea of what they're talking about? You're like a drunk guy telling BJ Penn he doesn't know anything about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. You're embarrassing yourself. Stop.
 
AlphaMarshan said:
Yikes. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

I'll go back to my room with my BS and MS in Exercise Physiology with concentrations in Strength and Conditioning, which hang up next to my Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist, Certified Strength Coach and USA Weightlifting Certified Sports Performance Coach certifications, which happen to be above my bookshelf of strength training, physiology, biomechanics and sports performance textbooks and manuals I've acquired over the last 11 years of training, in addition to my literal hundreds of athletes trained in the private sector as well as my P5 internship for Strength and Conditioning.

It's one thing when I disagree with colleagues or friends of mine about something semantic in the way to train someone most effectively, but to actually accuse someone of having "less than zero" idea of what they're talking about? You're like a drunk guy telling BJ Penn he doesn't know anything about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. You're embarrassing yourself. Stop.
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Just stop.

Btw, how is barista job at Starbucks with your degrees?

Just your comments alone about Navy SEALs and their training/conditioning are just...well...wholly misinformed and ignorant.

Of course you know that with your academic pedigree correct?

Your first two paragraphs I actually nodded mostly in agreement, then you go totally off the rails in #3.


I'm not here to argue you since you have far more experience at crazy than I.
 
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TheMatador said:
I also wonder, when people complain about lack of push on OL, if we're just not getting the kind of kids we need.

That does not necessarily mean just high 4-star and 5-star kids. Look at Wisconsin's OL.

Maybe they're not there in south Florida. I don't know.
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I’ve said this for years.

Genetics and population types determine your potential recruiting base. We don’t have the larger, Northern European/Eastern European immigrant population in Florida to recruit 6’5 300lb high schoolers, meanwhile the dudes up in Wisconsin have literally hundreds to choose from.
 
TheMatador said:
Don't you think the smarter strength coaches, even if they come from a particular philosophy, incorporate some other modalities, e.g., would a Hatch guy incorporate some powerlifting techniques to build strength?

I do think Manny should have observed Alabama's game to see how far we have to go.

This is not new. Bama beat us up physically in that '93 Sugar Bowl. Although people here want to believe we should have beaten OSU in 2003 Fiesta Bowl, fact is, they outhit and overpowered us most of the game.

I also had a feeling LSU would the same this year. Despite the fact some on here say we could have won had we done this, or done that, LSU was much superior physically. I knew it would be that way.

I really think Manny needs to look very carefully at how we're developing players physically. That means S&C.
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The best and results oriented would absolutely and shamelessly copy the best technique or tool from across the industry and make it their own.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Btw, how is barista job at Starbucks with your degrees?
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This is a rude comment, even if it doesn't apply to me. I no longer work in S&C but was doing just fine when I did. I'm not sure how an honest person working at Starbucks in addition to or in spite of having advanced knowledge in an other area helps your argument.

Just your comments alone about Navy SEALs and their training/conditioning are just...well...
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If you would read, I was making fun of people who want Navy SEALs to be in charge of our S&C program. I never made any comments about their own training programs.

The average Navy SEAL is 5'10, 170lbs. Even if someone has the mental fortitude to do something as impressive as becoming a Navy SEAL, it means nothing in terms of their ability to coach collegiate football players. There are a host of essentially obvious physiological and training differences between SEALs and collegiate football players, the most obvious being that football is primarily anaerobic while SEALs are primarily aerobic. We don't do 15-mile ruck marches for our football players to get in shape, nor should we. We need them to be big, powerful, and explosive. Why would a Navy SEAL have any special insight into training defensive ends and wide receivers?

Why do you think Special Operations in the military have begun hiring qualified Strength and Conditioning coaches as contractors to help them train? I'll give you a hint: They're really good at doing the work, but need help devising the best and most efficient way to lay out that work. It's almost like people who go to school for years to study the science might have a deeper understanding than an eager 18 year old!

You are a wikipedia posters... Quick keep searching...
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I think everyone on this forum can see who actually knows what they're talking about. This will be my last message to you. Good luck!
 
AlphaMarshan said:
This is a rude comment, even if it doesn't apply to me. I no longer work in S&C but was doing just fine when I did. I'm not sure how an honest person working at Starbucks in addition to or in spite of having advanced knowledge in an other area helps your argument.



If you would read, I was making fun of people who want Navy SEALs to be in charge of our S&C program. I never made any comments about their own training programs.

The average Navy SEAL is 5'10, 170lbs. Even if someone has the mental fortitude to do something as impressive as becoming a Navy SEAL, it means nothing in terms of their ability to coach collegiate football players. There are a host of essentially obvious physiological and training differences between SEALs and collegiate football players, the most obvious being that football is primarily anaerobic while SEALs are primarily aerobic. We don't do 15-mile ruck marches for our football players to get in shape, nor should we. We need them to be big, powerful, and explosive. Why would a Navy SEAL have any special insight into training defensive ends and wide receivers?

Why do you think Special Operations in the military have begun hiring qualified Strength and Conditioning coaches as contractors to help them train? I'll give you a hint: They're really good at doing the work, but need help devising the best and most efficient way to lay out that work. It's almost like people who go to school for years to study the science might have a deeper understanding than an eager 18 year old!



I think everyone on this forum can see who actually knows what they're talking about. This will be my last message to you. Good luck!
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Insane.

"... 3. lol at going to Iceland to get powerlifters / strongman athletes. I also see a lot of requests to get someone who was a Navy SEAL to lead the S&C program. You guys are actually mentally disabled. We want to make better football players, not train them to lift anvils and cars. "Innovative" in the S&C sense doesn't mean what you think it means. I'd much rather have someone who has an emphasis on injury prevention and speed development"

Funny thing about printed words and forever.

Some are mentally disabled, but you are all sensitive about working at a bikini coffee shop. Toughen up. Snowflake.

Emphasis on injury protection and speed? What in the world do you think is BOTH Jakabol's and SOCOM's #1 training priority? Focus on speed we can debate sure.

PS. We "started" standing up SOCOM's pro-athlete training and recovery capabilities modeled after Euro soccer clubs and the Dallas Cowboys to keep war fighters in the fight and return them to duty as quickly as possible...back in 2005.

Also, don't take a gospel what you quick searched on SEAL SWCC...average real world height/weight is 6-1 205ish..less weight during Q schools.

You may disagree, awesome, but I'm firmly of the belief Magnus Ver Magnussen (dream as it may be) could have a massive impact (pun intended) on Miami's OL/DL/LB athletes for certain. Highly likely for all other positions.
 
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TheMatador said:
Don't you think the smarter strength coaches, even if they come from a particular philosophy, incorporate some other modalities, e.g., would a Hatch guy incorporate some powerlifting techniques to build strength?

I do think Manny should have observed Alabama's game to see how far we have to go.

This is not new. Bama beat us up physically in that '93 Sugar Bowl. Although people here want to believe we should have beaten OSU in 2003 Fiesta Bowl, fact is, they outhit and overpowered us most of the game.

I also had a feeling LSU would the same this year. Despite the fact some on here say we could have won had we done this, or done that, LSU was much superior physically. I knew it would be that way.

I really think Manny needs to look very carefully at how we're developing players physically. That means S&C.
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To your first question yes.
Empirical Cane said:
Insane.

"... 3. lol at going to Iceland to get powerlifters / strongman athletes. I also see a lot of requests to get someone who was a Navy SEAL to lead the S&C program. You guys are actually mentally disabled. We want to make better football players, not train them to lift anvils and cars. "Innovative" in the S&C sense doesn't mean what you think it means. I'd much rather have someone who has an emphasis on injury prevention and speed development"

Funny thing about printed words and forever.

Some are mentally disabled, but you are all sensitive about working at a bikini coffee shop. Toughen up. Snowflake.

Emphasis on injury protection and speed? What in the world do you think is BOTH Jakabol's and SOCOM's #1 training priority? Focus on speed we can debate sure.

PS. We "started" standing up SOCOM's pro-athlete training and recovery capabilities modeled after Euro soccer clubs and the Dallas Cowboys to keep war fighters in the fight and return them to duty as quickly as possible...back in 2005.

Also, don't take a gospel what you quick searched on SEAL SWCC...average real world height/weight is 6-1 205ish..less weight during Q schools.

You may disagree, awesome, but I'm firmly of the belief Magnus Ver Magnussen (dream as it may be) could have a massive impact (pun intended) on Miami's OL/DL/LB athletes for certain. Highly likely for all other positions.
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strong man has limited carryover to sport. Every article on EliteFTS the premier powerlifting site begs coaches not to coach like they are training strong men.
 
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AlphaMarshan said:
This is a rude comment, even if it doesn't apply to me. I no longer work in S&C but was doing just fine when I did. I'm not sure how an honest person working at Starbucks in addition to or in spite of having advanced knowledge in an other area helps your argument.



If you would read, I was making fun of people who want Navy SEALs to be in charge of our S&C program. I never made any comments about their own training programs.

The average Navy SEAL is 5'10, 170lbs. Even if someone has the mental fortitude to do something as impressive as becoming a Navy SEAL, it means nothing in terms of their ability to coach collegiate football players. There are a host of essentially obvious physiological and training differences between SEALs and collegiate football players, the most obvious being that football is primarily anaerobic while SEALs are primarily aerobic. We don't do 15-mile ruck marches for our football players to get in shape, nor should we. We need them to be big, powerful, and explosive. Why would a Navy SEAL have any special insight into training defensive ends and wide receivers?

Why do you think Special Operations in the military have begun hiring qualified Strength and Conditioning coaches as contractors to help them train? I'll give you a hint: They're really good at doing the work, but need help devising the best and most efficient way to lay out that work. It's almost like people who go to school for years to study the science might have a deeper understanding than an eager 18 year old!



I think everyone on this forum can see who actually knows what they're talking about. This will be my last message to you. Good luck!
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There's no point arguing strength science here. People don't know ****. People just think TAKE THE DUDE FROM ICELAND without realizing that the person is a master in a specific-sport, and while he could create a good base (especially as strongman has a way better basis for this than powerlifting), it'll never give the specificity required for football players. Honestly, I wish they'd look into getting sports Physical Therapists into the weight room. My buddy works with NFL players, D1 Athletes, USAW national team lifters, etc etc on movement and strength pattern outside of just their therapy and has to stay up to date with the latest science. He's fully capable of running a D1 weight room better than most S&C coaches (and he'd have their respect as he'd be stronger than all the players). He's also smart enough to not write his own programming for his own training, because he can recognize his own deficiencies. It's a pipe dream through.
 
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futurecane said:
I’ve said this for years
Genetics and population types determine your potential recruiting base. We don’t have the larger, Northern European/Eastern European immigrant population in Florida to recruit 6’5 300lb high schoolers, meanwhile the dudes up in Wisconsin have literally hundreds to choose from.
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That's what I was thinking. There was a major article in some newspaper, perhaps the NY Times, back in the '80's, about the emergence of Florida football. It emphasized the relative dearth of white ethnic kids in the state which meant the pool for OLs was not like the Northeast or Midwest. That's obvious when you look at our typical OL recruits

Almost all those Wisconsin offensive linemen were big white kids.Perfect for their power running game. And we often gave trouble with that kind of offense. Our defense, even under JJ, often had trouble shutting down athletic QBs who could run and pass.
 
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