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Rellyrell said:
I agree w/ u, to a point, but let’s not act like Miami have been recruiting at a Bowling Green level.

There’s this narrative that’s been floating around that it’s been poor little Miami & the lack of caliber of athletes we’ve had. That’s simply untrue. The fact is, and I’ll say it time & time again, but the entire f’ing infrastructure has been in disarray from top to bottom, which included our S&C w/ these previous regimes.

I’ll personally tell u I wasn’t a fan of the Feeley hire, simply b/c his resume didn’t give me the confidence. In CFB P5 standards, u must hire of the sort. Idgaf if every recruit in that locker room is a 5 star; if u have a G5 mentality from top to bottom, ur team will not perform.

Let’s look at Miami’s 2021 roster who played a significant amount of snaps:
-Offense:
QB:
King (4 star - T) then TVD (4 star)

RB:
Harris (4 star)
Chaney (4 star)
Rooster (4 star)

OL:
Nelson (3 star)
Scaife (4 star)
Donaldson (4 star)
Gaynor (3 star) then Clark (3 star)
Rivers (4 star) then Oluwaseun (3 star)

WR:
Rambo (4 star)
Harley (4 star)
Pope (4 star)
Wiggins (3 star)

TE:
Mallory (4 star)

75% of the O was 4*+ who played significant snaps. If I throw in X at the WR position, that’ll drop it to 70%, which is still a high clip

Defense:
DL:
McCloud (4 star)
Silvera (4 star)
Ford (3 star)
JHH (3 star)
Harvey (4 star)
Johnson (3 star)
Miller (3 star)
Taylor (5 star)
Williams (4 star)

LB:
Steed (3 star)
Flagg (3 star)
Jennings (3 star)
Smith (4 star)

Striker:
GB3 (4 star)
Carter (3 star)

CB:
Stevenson (4 star)
Ivey (4 star)
Couch (4 star)

S:
Hall (4 star)
Bolden (4 star)
Kinchens (4 star)
Williams (5 star)

64% of the Def was 4*+ who played significant snaps.

So we’re talking roughly about 67-70% of the guys who played the most snaps being 4*+ from last yr alone, yet we saw guys getting easily tripped up, defenders dragged for an extra 3-5 yrds, guys bouncing off of players tackling, receivers unable to get off of jams, etc.

So yes, having the caliber of athletes is important, but u MUST have an up to date solid S&C program that caters to proper conditioning, football focused weight training, & nutritional regimen
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Always enjoy dissenting opinion from you, it's never personal. I think we've been having this discussion for like 2 years now lol.

To be clear, I agree with you too especially regarding the infrastructure and investment into S&C and nutrition; it's clear we've been leagues behind the top programs in CFB.

I think your list of players actually makes my point for me, there's one or two 5-stars in there with a whole lot of 3's. That's good enough for the ACC but it's why we all knew we were going to get absolutely trounced by Bama and Clemson, which happened. We simply did not have the caliber of athletes on the line to deal with them.

Now give me the same list of players from Bama. They don't even know what a 3-star is. From the outside, it looks like they have some sort of special training program that makes their athletes better, but they don't, they have better athletes with a higher ceiling - and yeah, maybe some special sauce on top.

I was at a S&C conference a few years ago where a Bama assistant posted their periodization program, it really wasn't anything special. I also got a copy of Mickey Marotti's program when he was at Florida (Ohio State now) and again, it's nothing special.

I also don't really understand the resume issue with Feeley, what exactly was he missing? Your S&C coach is either implementing correct training protocols, or he isn't. He had a strong educational background and work history; just because he was at Temple means nothing to me, and likewise, Scott Cochran at Bama got WAYYYYY too much credit for the work he did which, again, was good but nothing special.

Training Julio Jones in college isn't hard. At all.

****, if DeVonta Smith is here at UM, everyone on CIS freaks out that he's too small. The difference is that he's a 5-star WR and can actually catch the ball, unlike Pope.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
Muscle Milk??....in 95??.....**** Nah...but trust me....the Fellas ate good...courtesy of.....(I'd rather not say)....Lol
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I dunno, but a handful of years later under Coker, I was in grad school and witnessed a disproportionate amount of OL players eating Panda Express (some sitcom-like characters involved there) and Defensive Backs eating Double Chocolate Chip cookies from the Subway at the Law School. They ate good, too!
 
LuCane said:
I dunno, but a handful of years later under Coker, I was in grad school and witnessed a disproportionate amount of OL players eating Panda Express (some sitcom-like characters involved there) and Defensive Backs eating Double Chocolate Chip cookies from the Subway at the Law School. They ate good, too!
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This hasn't changed though. I walked by the football facility just the other day. I could see from the outside the buffet setup which included several kids' cereals out there. I guess it's just easy calories given the fact that these kids are likely burning insane calories and need easy calories.

(I can't believe I don't recall precisely what it was, but I did scoff at it. This would usually be something I would remember. My memory sucks these days. I'm getting old.)
 
LuCane said:
I dunno, but a handful of years later under Coker, I was in grad school and witnessed a disproportionate amount of OL players eating Panda Express (some sitcom-like characters involved there) and Defensive Backs eating Double Chocolate Chip cookies from the Subway at the Law School. They ate good, too!
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Lol....players were tearing up the KFC near campus something crazy during Butch's tenure. I was always a Bagel Emporium guy myself. The $$$$ I've shelled out there since the late 80s should be illegal....
 
AlphaMarshan said:
Always enjoy dissenting opinion from you, it's never personal. I think we've been having this discussion for like 2 years now lol.

To be clear, I agree with you too especially regarding the infrastructure and investment into S&C and nutrition; it's clear we've been leagues behind the top programs in CFB.

I think your list of players actually makes my point for me, there's one or two 5-stars in there with a whole lot of 3's. That's good enough for the ACC but it's why we all knew we were going to get absolutely trounced by Bama and Clemson, which happened. We simply did not have the caliber of athletes on the line to deal with them.

Now give me the same list of players from Bama. They don't even know what a 3-star is. From the outside, it looks like they have some sort of special training program that makes their athletes better, but they don't, they have better athletes with a higher ceiling - and yeah, maybe some special sauce on top.

I was at a S&C conference a few years ago where a Bama assistant posted their periodization program, it really wasn't anything special. I also got a copy of Mickey Marotti's program when he was at Florida (Ohio State now) and again, it's nothing special.

I also don't really understand the resume issue with Feeley, what exactly was he missing? Your S&C coach is either implementing correct training protocols, or he isn't. He had a strong educational background and work history; just because he was at Temple means nothing to me, and likewise, Scott Cochran at Bama got WAYYYYY too much credit for the work he did which, again, was good but nothing special.

Training Julio Jones in college isn't hard. At all.

****, if DeVonta Smith is here at UM, everyone on CIS freaks out that he's too small. The difference is that he's a 5-star WR and can actually catch the ball, unlike Pope.
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+1.

@Rellyrell You and I have argued about this before. @AlphaMarshan and I have an acquaintance-and in his case a colleague-who is one of the premier sport science minds in the country. I've known him for a while. He's trashed every S&C coach we've had here since Swasey with the exception of Feeley. If this guy is ok with Feeley, so am I.
 
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AUcane said:
It begs the question, what exactly did we do with all that data coming from those monitors that we used even with Manny coached teams? Did Feeley just dump all of it into a spreadsheet and see who was running the fastest?
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I suspect that it was gathering heart rate variability of each player to determine the team's level of recovery, providing quantifiable data as to whether to push team activities or scale back a particular day. It's the same concept as the whoop, which has become quite popular of late. A lot of our players had whoops last year, including Manny. It's a cool tool. I am a happy user too.

But it's clear the investment this time around is far more significant, even just from the perspective that rather this being solely under the S&C's coach's job responsibility (as it was under Feeley), there is a separate position for sports science.
 
Have we been training hand strength and flexibility? It could help with contested catches. I hope we’re tracking eye dominance for the Wr room. It could also help to put particular players in their best position to succeed.
 
EudocimusAlbus said:
Begs to ask, what else haven’t we been doing all these years?
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This was us those years...
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AlphaMarshan said:
Always enjoy dissenting opinion from you, it's never personal. I think we've been having this discussion for like 2 years now lol.

To be clear, I agree with you too especially regarding the infrastructure and investment into S&C and nutrition; it's clear we've been leagues behind the top programs in CFB.

I think your list of players actually makes my point for me, there's one or two 5-stars in there with a whole lot of 3's. That's good enough for the ACC but it's why we all knew we were going to get absolutely trounced by Bama and Clemson, which happened. We simply did not have the caliber of athletes on the line to deal with them.

Now give me the same list of players from Bama. They don't even know what a 3-star is. From the outside, it looks like they have some sort of special training program that makes their athletes better, but they don't, they have better athletes with a higher ceiling - and yeah, maybe some special sauce on top.

I was at a S&C conference a few years ago where a Bama assistant posted their periodization program, it really wasn't anything special. I also got a copy of Mickey Marotti's program when he was at Florida (Ohio State now) and again, it's nothing special.

I also don't really understand the resume issue with Feeley, what exactly was he missing? Your S&C coach is either implementing correct training protocols, or he isn't. He had a strong educational background and work history; just because he was at Temple means nothing to me, and likewise, Scott Cochran at Bama got WAYYYYY too much credit for the work he did which, again, was good but nothing special.

Training Julio Jones in college isn't hard. At all.

****, if DeVonta Smith is here at UM, everyone on CIS freaks out that he's too small. The difference is that he's a 5-star WR and can actually catch the ball, unlike Pope.
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Of course I enjoy an intelligent banter w/ a fellow brother. Lol

I agree that we need an infusion of talent to compete w/ the Bama, OSU, & Clemson of the world, but at the ACC Coastal level, we’ve looked pedestrian despite having the most talent.

I mean look no further than how FIU was rag dogging us, or how LA Tech looked like a miniature version of Bama against us.

Look at UNC’s two 3* RBs put up video game film, running through the sea of 4* guys.

The problem w/ the comparison of Bama & Clemson to justify the lack of development of the blue chip guys here is that we don’t play Bama or Clemson every year. We haven’t played Bama since 1993! Lol. We played Clemson in 2015, 2017 (ACCCG), & 2020 since their rise. We don’t play OSU; we last played them in 2009. We’ve played LSU twice (2005 in a bowl game & 2018)

Our schedule consist of teams absolutely chopped full of 3 stars & below (Pitt, UNC, Duke, GT, VATech), & our Atlantic cross over opponents are typically FSU, UL, NCSt, BC. If we played Bama, OSU, UofM, Clemson, UGA on an annual basis, I would totally agree w/ ur point, but I can’t agree fully b/c since 2004, I’ve seen a roster every yr w/ an avg ratio of 65-70% blue chip to 30-35% non-blue chip get used & abused by opponents w/ the exact inverted talent level %’s.

That’s the entire infrastructure, & in regards to Feeley, yes the guys looked better aesthetically from a physique standpoint, but we were still a slow, weak team that looked tiny. When we played MSU, another roster that was full of 3* guys, we looked tiny. And, somewhere 3* Javonte Williams is still running over the entire Miami Defense.
 
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AlexCane said:
+1.

@Rellyrell You and I have argued about this before. @AlphaMarshan and I have an acquaintance-and in his case a colleague-who is one of the premier sport science minds in the country. I've known him for a while. He's trashed every S&C coach we've had here since Swasey with the exception of Feeley. If this guy is ok with Feeley, so am I.
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Yeah; it’s never been personal. I thought Feeley bought some good to the table, for sure; definitely the best we had from the previous regimes, but if I wanted to get in shape & look like a Fitness Model, Feeley would’ve been a choice; football wise, I just didn’t see it & the physicality on the field didn’t lend itself to it, either.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Of course I enjoy an intelligent banter w/ a fellow brother. Lol

I agree that we need an infusion of talent to compete w/ the Bama, OSU, & Clemson of the world, but at the ACC Coastal level, we’ve looked pedestrian despite having the most talent.

I mean look no further than how FIU was rag dogging us, or how LA Tech looked like a miniature version of Bama against us.

Look at UNC’s two 3* RBs put up video game film, running through the sea of 4* guys.

The problem w/ the comparison of Bama & Clemson to justify the lack of development of the blue chip guys here is that we don’t play Bama or Clemson every year. We haven’t played Bama since 1993! Lol. We played Clemson in 2015, 2017 (ACCCG), & 2020 since their rise. We don’t play OSU; we last played them in 2009. We’ve played LSU twice (2005 in a bowl game & 2018)

Our schedule consist of teams absolutely chopped full of 3 stars & below (Pitt, UNC, Duke, GT, VATech), & our Atlantic cross over opponents are typically FSU, UL, NCSt, BC. If we played Bama, OSU, UofM, Clemson, UGA on an annual basis, I would totally agree w/ ur point, but I can’t agree fully b/c since 2004, I’ve seen a roster every yr w/ an avg ratio of 65-70% blue chip to 30-35% non-blue chip get used & abused by opponents w/ the exact inverted talent level %’s.

That’s the entire infrastructure, & in regards to Feeley, yes the guys looked better aesthetically from a physique standpoint, but we were still a slow, weak team that looked tiny. When we played MSU, another roster that was full of 3* guys, we looked tiny. And, somewhere 3* Javonte Williams is still running over the entire Miami Defense.
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You are overthinking this. It's this simple.

Look at what @AlphaMarshan posted earlier. Everyone in the S&C community is doing more or less the same thing. What are the differences between programs? Talent. Coaching. S&C is way down that list in terms of what effects results. Period.

I mean, you are citing results (or lack thereof) under the Manny Diaz regime. Think about that. You think if we had infused $500M annually into the S&C program the results would be different?!
 
Rellyrell said:
Yeah; it’s never been personal. I thought Feeley bought some good to the table, for sure; definitely the best we had from the previous regimes, but if I wanted to get in shape & look like a Fitness Model, Feeley would’ve been a choice; football wise, I just didn’t see it & the physicality on the food didn’t lend itself to it, either.
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Never personal, man! Sometimes, albeit rarely, on the internet because can have civilized debates without being jerks or yelling epithets at each other LOL.
 
AlexCane said:
You are overthinking this. It's this simple.

Look at what @AlphaMarshan posted earlier. Everyone in the S&C community is doing more or less the same thing. What are the differences between programs? Talent. Coaching. S&C is way down that list in terms of what effects results. Period.

I mean, you are citing results (or lack thereof) under the Manny Diaz regime. Think about that. You think if we had infused $500M annually into the S&C program the results would be different?!
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Which is y I can’t “fully” knock Feeley b/c of who his employer was. However, he’s now at Duke, right? Duke supposedly brought in a coach who’s supposed to know big time football coming from ND & TAMU in Elko. So I’ll be paying attention to Duke’s physicality w/ a new S&C guy.
 
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