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Great Read On Al's Horrible Sofla Recruiting

They are right about the SEC showing up to every little thing. My sons play basketball ball at Armwood and coaches from LSU, Auburn and Florida was at games and even practices when Byron Cowart briefly played this season. They made it know who they were and that they wanted him.

Dabo Sweeny showed up to watch Ray Ray McCloud receive his award for best RB in Hillsborough County 2 weeks ago.
 
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I hope the BOT, Lame James, & the ShalaFock take the time to read this Monumental Gem of an article........

I'm starting to believe that this is no coincidence with what is happening to UM's brand of football.....

After the Shapiro debacle, the inner Trust of UM, conspired to implode the football program.....
 
Mangum said:
They are right about the SEC showing up to every little thing. My sons play basketball ball at Armwood and coaches from LSU, Auburn and Florida was at games and even practices when Byron Cowart briefly played this season. They made it know who they were and that they wanted him.

Dabo Sweeny showed up to watch Ray Ray McCloud receive his award for best RB in Hillsborough County 2 weeks ago.
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While these other staffs are out visiting recruits ours is joking around their offices ordering pizzas.Killing time hoping by the time they get home their wives are asleep so they don't have to **** them.
 
WhatTheHell said:
Only thing I disagree with is the part about facilities and attendance. Never once in our history were we among the top programs for cutting edge facilities, and we've never averaged an absurd number of fans per game.


I feel these are excuses.

1. Win.
2. Play an exciting brand of football.
3. Aggressively pursue local players and build relationships in the community by letting them know you want Miami to be made up primarily of sofla kids.

It's that simple.

Anyway, here's the article. We've essentially turned our back on our most prized resource and the great equalizer for Miami football. If you live down here and love our football as much as I do, it's an extremely depressing read.
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First, i think that is a GREAT article and very eye opening. When Golden first got here, his staff was a group of tireless recruiters. They were everywhere, all the time. It appears as the years have passed, they have regressed. The fact that local coaches with UM ties say Miami has to be more visible....that's a very telling comment. What's worse is UM hired Ice, Beard and Baez specifically for building those local ties, but it seems to be getting worse.

Second, facilities and attendance most definitely play a role. We can't keep comparing 2015 to Canes programs 15-20 years ago. College football is an arms race now. Back then, nobody had great facilities so it didn't matter. Now the top programs do. If a kid views 2 schools equally but one has state of the art facilities, practice fields, housing, trainer tables, lounges with gaming/tvs/etc, free gear, supplements and nutritionists.....it's going to separate the 2. If Miami was winning, kids might overlook the facilities and attendance some....but you'll still lose some kids who are materialistic (which is more prevalent these days with young people in society). But when you're an average college team, these issues grow exponentially.

Back in the day, social media didn't exist. Now these kids grow up having their egos boosted years earlier, have visibility to what others schools have to offer without visiting, and can feel the love (or hate) from fan of schools on a daily basis. You don't think that plays a role? If our coaches are invisible in some of these schools and our fans are tearing apart the program at every opportunity on social media, what do you think is going to happen? Is that the only reason kids are bouncing? Absolutely not! But that + losing + less money/facilities + attendance + coaching staff issues = bye bye.

As a staff and a program, you need to determine who you are and sell that. Miami is a brand. Sell it. Work with Adidas to rework the uniforms and use that as a selling point like Oregon. The U on the helmet already speaks to people....let's make sure the rest of the uni does too. We need to sell the location and weather, not just verbally but on social media. Use South Beach. We need to embrace the former players and work hard to keep them involved, especially with offseason workouts. Recruits love that. If pro players (even non-UM players) enjoy using UM facilities to work out during offseason....keep improving them and sell that! Keep selling the NFL dream and NFL connections. Show kids why UM offers you the best chance to get to the next level. Try bringing in former and current coaches for clinics. Just try more....

Your vision needs to be clear and concise to sell it. Bama has tradition, structure and great coaches. Oregon has unis, nike and the best facilities you can dream of. Texas has more money than it knows what to do with. Tennessee has great facilities and hot tour guides. FSU has a winning tradition, FAMU and puts people in the league. Auburn and LSU give away large sums of $$. Whatever it is....sell it.
 
PSU Cane said:
WhatTheHell said:
Only thing I disagree with is the part about facilities and attendance. Never once in our history were we among the top programs for cutting edge facilities, and we've never averaged an absurd number of fans per game.


I feel these are excuses.

1. Win.
2. Play an exciting brand of football.
3. Aggressively pursue local players and build relationships in the community by letting them know you want Miami to be made up primarily of sofla kids.

It's that simple.

Anyway, here's the article. We've essentially turned our back on our most prized resource and the great equalizer for Miami football. If you live down here and love our football as much as I do, it's an extremely depressing read.
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First, i think that is a GREAT article and very eye opening. When Golden first got here, his staff was a group of tireless recruiters. They were everywhere, all the time. It appears as the years have passed, they have regressed. The fact that local coaches with UM ties say Miami has to be more visible....that's a very telling comment. What's worse is UM hired Ice, Beard and Baez specifically for building those local ties, but it seems to be getting worse.

Second, facilities and attendance most definitely play a role. We can't keep comparing 2015 to Canes programs 15-20 years ago. College football is an arms race now. Back then, nobody had great facilities so it didn't matter. Now the top programs do. If a kid views 2 schools equally but one has state of the art facilities, practice fields, housing, trainer tables, lounges with gaming/tvs/etc, free gear, supplements and nutritionists.....it's going to separate the 2. If Miami was winning, kids might overlook the facilities and attendance some....but you'll still lose some kids who are materialistic (which is more prevalent these days with young people in society). But when you're an average college team, these issues grow exponentially.

Back in the day, social media didn't exist. Now these kids grow up having their egos boosted years earlier, have visibility to what others schools have to offer without visiting, and can feel the love (or hate) from fan of schools on a daily basis. You don't think that plays a role? If our coaches are invisible in some of these schools and our fans are tearing apart the program at every opportunity on social media, what do you think is going to happen? Is that the only reason kids are bouncing? Absolutely not! But that + losing + less money/facilities + attendance + coaching staff issues = bye bye.

As a staff and a program, you need to determine who you are and sell that. Miami is a brand. Sell it. Work with Adidas to rework the uniforms and use that as a selling point like Oregon. The U on the helmet already speaks to people....let's make sure the rest of the uni does too. We need to sell the location and weather, not just verbally but on social media. Use South Beach. We need to embrace the former players and work hard to keep them involved, especially with offseason workouts. Recruits love that. If pro players (even non-UM players) enjoy using UM facilities to work out during offseason....keep improving them and sell that! Keep selling the NFL dream and NFL connections. Show kids why UM offers you the best chance to get to the next level. Try bringing in former and current coaches for clinics. Just try more....

Your vision needs to be clear and concise to sell it. Bama has tradition, structure and great coaches. Oregon has unis, nike and the best facilities you can dream of. Texas has more money than it knows what to do with. Tennessee has great facilities and hot tour guides. FSU has a winning tradition, FAMU and puts people in the league. Auburn and LSU give away large sums of $$. Whatever it is....sell it.
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The bolded items are my concerns as a fan....and my current disconnect with um as a program and administration.

- Whoever is in a position of power.....DOESNT KNOW WHAT UM IS...or they actually do...and they WANT us to be some high academic institution/ that is solid in basketball and football...basically a wisconsin. Its like our admin is striving to be.............DUKE.

- We are who we are...regardles of the brown nosing they do with other presidents of other acc schools...were ALWAYS gonna be the school on south beach in miami that every one envies...or think is corrupt....Accept that and build off of what we are...who gives a f what "they" think?.

-Truthfully there are no bill boards NO WHERE in S.FLA.....repping for UM Athletics.....

1.) Your recruiting out of state and have areas you focus on...Do what Rutgers did...put bill boards up of the U in these said areas.....(NJ, CA, or whatever areas out of state they focus on)..What Rutgers did was...BRILLIANT...(and these idiots were on that staff)....they had a picture of the s.fla kids on their team on a bill board in dade as well as broward. Muh fuggin Rutgers..lol i was in high school at the time....and we were hyped up looking at the kids we played against the year b4 on a bill board(Kids from dillard, carol city)..(In fact two of my teammates verbally committed to rutgers off of it)

VISIBILITY is important....Even if its a Grad Assistant....I would send them off to these high schools with um gear on (knowing they cant recruit) but just to show visibility to the high school coaches and players... I think guys like Kareem Brown ( may currently do it) but obviously were not as visible..as Mike RUmph a um alumni doesnt see enough which is absoliutely retarded.

We are an NFL factory.....SELL THAT.....**** selling small classes/ grad rates...SELL NFL.....

Lol @ Sedrick Irvin comment on " You can be the next Amari Cooper, why come to um?"...well jack *** we have Phillip Dorsett a kid that likely will bepicked within one round of sed "Amari Cooper". And we probably have 5-6 kids drafted this year on a 6-7 team...lol Bama didnt develop Amari Cooper....that dude came there ready made...and would of made it had he commited to um. Their wr's suck no matter how much stars they have....hence Cooper being able to start from day 1 there.

Bama doesnt have a lb as good as Denzel Perryman on their team, Ladarius Gunter probably starts at cb for Bama....On the ol...Seantrel Henderson sat Bama's top ol on the bench in buffalo this year (Koundjo) Kounjo was a 1st rder, Seantrel a 7th rd flyer.
My problem with s.fla coaches...they d*ck ride outsiders too **** much......read my above in reference to nfl status and equality between the "god" program in Bama and um. Only difference between the two (its a big difference though) is Bama's commitment from administration/president to winning in football...and their COACHING.
When all things are equal...(COMBINE, NFL) are seem prospects dont take a back seat to bama kids at all...in fact we sit em on the bench......

TIME FOR ADMIN TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT ATHLETICS ....................AND INVEST IN ATHLETICS...HIRE THE RIGHT **** COACHES.............got lucky with Laranaga, but continue with a lame duck coach cause their cheap or are pointing for the next person to do it...we have an A.D. that answers to the lame duck coach in staff decisions...lmao...he sounds like the nerd who was happy to hang with the jock in high school...our a.d. sounds like he is scared of Golden and thats a shame
 
gogeta4 said:
PSU Cane said:
WhatTheHell said:
Only thing I disagree with is the part about facilities and attendance. Never once in our history were we among the top programs for cutting edge facilities, and we've never averaged an absurd number of fans per game.


I feel these are excuses.

1. Win.
2. Play an exciting brand of football.
3. Aggressively pursue local players and build relationships in the community by letting them know you want Miami to be made up primarily of sofla kids.

It's that simple.

Anyway, here's the article. We've essentially turned our back on our most prized resource and the great equalizer for Miami football. If you live down here and love our football as much as I do, it's an extremely depressing read.
Click to expand...

First, i think that is a GREAT article and very eye opening. When Golden first got here, his staff was a group of tireless recruiters. They were everywhere, all the time. It appears as the years have passed, they have regressed. The fact that local coaches with UM ties say Miami has to be more visible....that's a very telling comment. What's worse is UM hired Ice, Beard and Baez specifically for building those local ties, but it seems to be getting worse.

Second, facilities and attendance most definitely play a role. We can't keep comparing 2015 to Canes programs 15-20 years ago. College football is an arms race now. Back then, nobody had great facilities so it didn't matter. Now the top programs do. If a kid views 2 schools equally but one has state of the art facilities, practice fields, housing, trainer tables, lounges with gaming/tvs/etc, free gear, supplements and nutritionists.....it's going to separate the 2. If Miami was winning, kids might overlook the facilities and attendance some....but you'll still lose some kids who are materialistic (which is more prevalent these days with young people in society). But when you're an average college team, these issues grow exponentially.

Back in the day, social media didn't exist. Now these kids grow up having their egos boosted years earlier, have visibility to what others schools have to offer without visiting, and can feel the love (or hate) from fan of schools on a daily basis. You don't think that plays a role? If our coaches are invisible in some of these schools and our fans are tearing apart the program at every opportunity on social media, what do you think is going to happen? Is that the only reason kids are bouncing? Absolutely not! But that + losing + less money/facilities + attendance + coaching staff issues = bye bye.

As a staff and a program, you need to determine who you are and sell that. Miami is a brand. Sell it. Work with Adidas to rework the uniforms and use that as a selling point like Oregon. The U on the helmet already speaks to people....let's make sure the rest of the uni does too. We need to sell the location and weather, not just verbally but on social media. Use South Beach. We need to embrace the former players and work hard to keep them involved, especially with offseason workouts. Recruits love that. If pro players (even non-UM players) enjoy using UM facilities to work out during offseason....keep improving them and sell that! Keep selling the NFL dream and NFL connections. Show kids why UM offers you the best chance to get to the next level. Try bringing in former and current coaches for clinics. Just try more....

Your vision needs to be clear and concise to sell it. Bama has tradition, structure and great coaches. Oregon has unis, nike and the best facilities you can dream of. Texas has more money than it knows what to do with. Tennessee has great facilities and hot tour guides. FSU has a winning tradition, FAMU and puts people in the league. Auburn and LSU give away large sums of $$. Whatever it is....sell it.
Click to expand...

The bolded items are my concerns as a fan....and my current disconnect with um as a program and administration.

- Whoever is in a position of power.....DOESNT KNOW WHAT UM IS...or they actually do...and they WANT us to be some high academic institution/ that is solid in basketball and football...basically a wisconsin. Its like our admin is striving to be.............DUKE.

- We are who we are...regardles of the brown nosing they do with other presidents of other acc schools...were ALWAYS gonna be the school on south beach in miami that every one envies...or think is corrupt....Accept that and build off of what we are...who gives a f what "they" think?.

-Truthfully there are no bill boards NO WHERE in S.FLA.....repping for UM Athletics.....

1.) Your recruiting out of state and have areas you focus on...Do what Rutgers did...put bill boards up of the U in these said areas.....(NJ, CA, or whatever areas out of state they focus on)..What Rutgers did was...BRILLIANT...(and these idiots were on that staff)....they had a picture of the s.fla kids on their team on a bill board in dade as well as broward. Muh fuggin Rutgers..lol i was in high school at the time....and we were hyped up looking at the kids we played against the year b4 on a bill board(Kids from dillard, carol city)..(In fact two of my teammates verbally committed to rutgers off of it)

VISIBILITY is important....Even if its a Grad Assistant....I would send them off to these high schools with um gear on (knowing they cant recruit) but just to show visibility to the high school coaches and players... I think guys like Kareem Brown ( may currently do it) but obviously were not as visible..as Mike RUmph a um alumni doesnt see enough which is absoliutely retarded.

We are an NFL factory.....SELL THAT.....**** selling small classes/ grad rates...SELL NFL.....

Lol @ Sedrick Irvin comment on " You can be the next Amari Cooper, why come to um?"...well jack *** we have Phillip Dorsett a kid that likely will bepicked within one round of sed "Amari Cooper". And we probably have 5-6 kids drafted this year on a 6-7 team...lol Bama didnt develop Amari Cooper....that dude came there ready made...and would of made it had he commited to um. Their wr's suck no matter how much stars they have....hence Cooper being able to start from day 1 there.

Bama doesnt have a lb as good as Denzel Perryman on their team, Ladarius Gunter probably starts at cb for Bama....On the ol...Seantrel Henderson sat Bama's top ol on the bench in buffalo this year (Koundjo) Kounjo was a 1st rder, Seantrel a 7th rd flyer.
My problem with s.fla coaches...they d*ck ride outsiders too **** much......read my above in reference to nfl status and equality between the "god" program in Bama and um. Only difference between the two (its a big difference though) is Bama's commitment from administration/president to winning in football...and their COACHING.
When all things are equal...(COMBINE, NFL) are seem prospects dont take a back seat to bama kids at all...in fact we sit em on the bench......

TIME FOR ADMIN TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT ATHLETICS ....................AND INVEST IN ATHLETICS...HIRE THE RIGHT **** COACHES.............got lucky with Laranaga, but continue with a lame duck coach cause their cheap or are pointing for the next person to do it...we have an A.D. that answers to the lame duck coach in staff decisions...lmao...he sounds like the nerd who was happy to hang with the jock in high school...our a.d. sounds like he is scared of Golden and thats a shame
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Great post a lot of these south Florida kids and coach are bandwagon fans. We don't develop but we at least will have 7 players drafted? They stupid as **** man.
 
The most depressing thing of all is that even with all of Folden's recruiting gaffes, he's still brought in enough talent to win 10 games. And yet the coaching is so bad it results in a 6-7 record. Sad.

The facilities/stadium issue is entirely overblown. Such things like that are so far down the checklist on why a recruit picks a school. If it comes down to that, then Miami coaches have completely failed selling Miami to a recruit. Even if you want to believe that Miami loses a few recruits a year because of facilities, there is still more than enough talent left to field a national championship caliber team.

From reading articles like this and years of experience following recruiting, and this article bolsters this fact, it really seems that the South Florida recruits that are on the fence about Miami just need a coach that gives them hope for Miami's future. Just give them a coach that starts winning/shows progress and the recruits will come. That is why it is so important for Miami to hire actual good coaches and not just recruiters next. Miami is just one coach away from greatness...
 
Sedrick Irvin is a hater. Always has and always will be. The **** with him and his son!

Deuces
 
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561Cane said:
Sedrick Irvin is a hater. Always has and always will be. The **** with him and his son!

Deuces
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that was his nephew not his son......

he was recruited by saban, played for saban, and coached under saban.

So thing like facilities and crowds an stuff like that are things that probably excites him.......

Like i said previously...their aint no special potion...when those bama kids are on an even playing feel..our guys out perform them...over and over. Just keep these guys home please...
 
It's interesting that some of the high school coaches remained anonymous for fear of retaliation by Golden and Company against their players. If indeed such fear is warranted, then it is just more proof that Golden would prefer to destroy the program before admitting his mistakes and firing his flunkies. Really! Coach X criticizes UM coaches. UM then shuns Coach X's players even more than they have been, thereby losing even more of the best talent to other colleges. Great attitude Goldie. Bite your nose to spite your face.
 
Fellows I think Golden is a nice guy and a tireless worker, he just does not have or want to share south florida's football preferences. Blitzing, aggressive defense and wide open, fast paced offense. He is just not a right fit for UM. Wish he would have been hired by PSU last year and both sides would have been better off.
 
“What Butch Davis and Jimmy Johnson did,” Blustein said “was look at what top players schools had coming in two or three years” and recruit lesser players from those schools before that "to cultivate relationships.” He said UM needs to do that.


this is so true sadly fsu and uf do a better job of it
 
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gogeta4 said:
561Cane said:
Sedrick Irvin is a hater. Always has and always will be. The **** with him and his son!

Deuces
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that was his nephew not his son......

he was recruited by saban, played for saban, and coached under saban.

So thing like facilities and crowds an stuff like that are things that probably excites him.......

Like i said previously...their aint no special potion...when those bama kids are on an even playing feel..our guys out perform them...over and over. Just keep these guys home please...
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There whole secondary are five stars and they keep getting shredded by teams, that story of dmoney talking to the bama coach is very telling
 
Golden is scared. he is like a boxer who can't let his hands go. If he coaches like he did in the first half against FSU every game. he wins and we get top kids. he has show flashes, the UF game last year, FSU 1st half, then he gets scared.
 
Andymiles said:
WhatTheHell said:
Jassid82 said:
But this jerkoff KNOWS what needs to be done
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The sad thing is he really doesn't.

This is the defense he learned 14 years ago under Al Groh.
The ball control offense he learned at Penn St.
The obsession with "size" he developed while in the Big 10.

He does not know how to win big or run a successful program. If he had that knowledge, he would have done that by now.

Remember, this guy walked into his interview with 13 different volumes of a series he wrote detailing how to win big in college football. He is so invested in his ways because it is all he knows, and he believes in them so passionately.

Well, I should say he believed in them. The fact that he was so sure he had it figured out that he felt he could pen a novel on the subject, only to be slapped with the harsh reality that he sucks, is the reason he looks like his dog just died in every interview he gives now.

He's out of answers.
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I think he is now looking for answers, which is why he visited the Dallas Cowboys training facility.
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I hate to be an idiot, but I'm hoping the same thing.
 
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cane since birth said:
gogeta4 said:
561Cane said:
Sedrick Irvin is a hater. Always has and always will be. The **** with him and his son!

Deuces
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that was his nephew not his son......

he was recruited by saban, played for saban, and coached under saban.

So thing like facilities and crowds an stuff like that are things that probably excites him.......

Like i said previously...their aint no special potion...when those bama kids are on an even playing feel..our guys out perform them...over and over. Just keep these guys home please...
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There whole secondary are five stars and they keep getting shredded by teams, that story of dmoney talking to the bama coach is very telling
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Not really their best corner was a 2 star from Fort Lauderdale... Anyway no one is dominant every year... Bama secondary is usually strong... This year their entire defense had their struggles...
 
Out of all the crap that's been posted on this board over the last couple of months, this thread reminded me of why I left grassy when CiS started. Interesting article opens up well thought out commentary & posts.
 
Didn't this same convo when Shannon was here? The though was that Shannon seemingly gave up on recruiting as a whole vs. not recruiting an area.
 
nycane said:
Golden is scared. he is like a boxer who can't let his hands go. If he coaches like he did in the first half against FSU every game. he wins and we get top kids. he has show flashes, the UF game last year, FSU 1st half, then he gets scared.
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Nearly everyone played FSU close for a half.

Golden isn't some coaching genius too scared to let it rip, he's a dunce.
 
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