Great article on season thus far/Golden

[Cane Dynasty]

The cloud is irrelevant when discussing our losses to teams that we have out recruited.

It's ******* irrelevant.

Time is more relevant than losses. When you hire a coach, you give them four years. Randy got four. Muschamp got four. The cloud is worth an extra year, especially if we finish the year with 2 wins and a bowl win. If Al has another similar season to the last two seasons, he deserves to be fired. He does not deserve to be fired at this moment.

Why is the cloud worth an extra year? Your spurious argument would only be valid if we had been beating all the teams that we have out recruited. But we haven't been. EVERY SINGLE LOSS THIS SEASON WAS TO TEAMS THAT WE OUT RECRUITED WHILE THE "CLOUD" WAS IN EFFECT. Except for obviously FSU.

Every loss over the past four years actually. (Except for FSU)

ND might have out recruited us in the 4 years prior to that game but I'm too lazy to look it up. FSU last year was probably ahead of us as well in recruiting but other than those two you are probably correct.

It's an upside down and backwards world we are living in.

 

[ZoCane]

Adversity beyond your control and caused by people who previously did not monitor things correctly should afford someone more benefit of the doubt.

On your recruiting argument, it has been well chronicled that, despite some highly ranked classes signed by the staff (which the staff deserves a lot of credit for given the situation) there has been abnormally high levels of attrition (which the staff deserves some blame for). This means that the actual product on the field is not exactly what we signed. Given those facts, I cannot buy into your "losing to teams we outrecruited" argument.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Adversity beyond your control and caused by people who previously did not monitor things correctly should afford someone more benefit of the doubt.

On your recruiting argument, it has been well chronicled that, despite some highly ranked classes signed by the staff (which the staff deserves a lot of credit for given the situation) there has been abnormally high levels of attrition (which the staff deserves some blame for). This means that the actual product on the field is not exactly what we signed. Given those facts, I cannot buy into your "losing to teams we outrecruited" argument.

SMDH because no other team faces attrition. No other team has transfers. No other team has players with behavior problems. Btw, that ALL falls back on the coach who signed them. So, yeah, every team we lost to over the past four years, we outrecruited. Besides FSU.

 

[ZoCane]

Using 247's class calculator, if you take into account attrition, here is where our classes rank under Golden's staff (I did not include this year's class, which has had limited attrition so far):

2011 actual ranking: 33; 2011 adjusted ranking: 73
2012 actual ranking: 10; 2012 adjusted ranking: 19
2013 actual ranking: 14; 2013 adjusted ranking: 32

 

[daddacane]

Can't someone come up with some earth shaking news instead of this old crap?

 

[ZoCane]

Adversity beyond your control and caused by people who previously did not monitor things correctly should afford someone more benefit of the doubt.

On your recruiting argument, it has been well chronicled that, despite some highly ranked classes signed by the staff (which the staff deserves a lot of credit for given the situation) there has been abnormally high levels of attrition (which the staff deserves some blame for). This means that the actual product on the field is not exactly what we signed. Given those facts, I cannot buy into your "losing to teams we outrecruited" argument.

SMDH because no other team faces attrition. No other team has transfers. No other team has players with behavior problems. Btw, that ALL falls back on the coach who signed them. So, yeah, every team we lost to over the past four years, we outrecruited. Besides FSU.

Every program has attrition. We have had abnormally high attrition. There is a difference. And your recruiting argument is becoming circular. You blame the coach for attrition (which has a direct relationship with recruiting), then say we recruited well? Can't make both arguments simultaneously.

 

[sdaly]

COACHES like players get better,this is the first time that we have improved as a team during the season. Coley as OC has really developed Kayaa
and his play calling has improved tremendously.the D remains an issue but has improved and if Al is successful we might as well get used to this style rather than old attack 4-3 defense. I want to believe we have turned the corner and 2 wins + a bowl victory will convince me that we have turned a corner. Al is still learning and he has to learn how to close out games, as well as win in big games
i am in the glass is 1/2 full as i think we do not need a HC change.....

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Adversity beyond your control and caused by people who previously did not monitor things correctly should afford someone more benefit of the doubt.

On your recruiting argument, it has been well chronicled that, despite some highly ranked classes signed by the staff (which the staff deserves a lot of credit for given the situation) there has been abnormally high levels of attrition (which the staff deserves some blame for). This means that the actual product on the field is not exactly what we signed. Given those facts, I cannot buy into your "losing to teams we outrecruited" argument.

SMDH because no other team faces attrition. No other team has transfers. No other team has players with behavior problems. Btw, that ALL falls back on the coach who signed them. So, yeah, every team we lost to over the past four years, we outrecruited. Besides FSU.

Every program has attrition. We have had abnormally high attrition. There is a difference. And your recruiting argument is becoming circular. You blame the coach for attrition (which has a direct relationship with recruiting), then say we recruited well? Can't make both arguments simultaneously.

So Golden was just unlucky. He's NEVER to blame. Got it. EVERY SINGLE LOSS OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS? No way we could or should have won those games.

High attrition rate? Golden's the victim.

 

[The Franchise]

Adversity beyond your control and caused by people who previously did not monitor things correctly should afford someone more benefit of the doubt.

On your recruiting argument, it has been well chronicled that, despite some highly ranked classes signed by the staff (which the staff deserves a lot of credit for given the situation) there has been abnormally high levels of attrition (which the staff deserves some blame for). This means that the actual product on the field is not exactly what we signed. Given those facts, I cannot buy into your "losing to teams we outrecruited" argument.

SMDH because no other team faces attrition. No other team has transfers. No other team has players with behavior problems. Btw, that ALL falls back on the coach who signed them. So, yeah, every team we lost to over the past four years, we outrecruited. Besides FSU.

Every program has attrition. We have had abnormally high attrition. There is a difference. And your recruiting argument is becoming circular. You blame the coach for attrition (which has a direct relationship with recruiting), then say we recruited well? Can't make both arguments simultaneously.

The one argument that you can make simultaneously is that it's all the HC's responsibility--recruiting and attrition. So, if he signs great classes that turn to average classes because he can't keep guys in school, then that's his fault. At the end of the day it's his program. Good or bad it's his.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Adversity beyond your control and caused by people who previously did not monitor things correctly should afford someone more benefit of the doubt.

On your recruiting argument, it has been well chronicled that, despite some highly ranked classes signed by the staff (which the staff deserves a lot of credit for given the situation) there has been abnormally high levels of attrition (which the staff deserves some blame for). This means that the actual product on the field is not exactly what we signed. Given those facts, I cannot buy into your "losing to teams we outrecruited" argument.

SMDH because no other team faces attrition. No other team has transfers. No other team has players with behavior problems. Btw, that ALL falls back on the coach who signed them. So, yeah, every team we lost to over the past four years, we outrecruited. Besides FSU.

Every program has attrition. We have had abnormally high attrition. There is a difference. And your recruiting argument is becoming circular. You blame the coach for attrition (which has a direct relationship with recruiting), then say we recruited well? Can't make both arguments simultaneously.

The one argument that you can make simultaneously is that it's all the HC's responsibility--recruiting and attrition. So, if he signs great classes that turn to average classes because he can't keep guys in school, then that's his fault. At the end of the day it's his program. Good or bad it's his.

For being such a great CEO, GoRlden supporters sure seem to have a **** ton of excuses at the ready to excuse away his failures. Have any of them offered how it was with the most talent in the MAC, he was never able to actually win the MAC? Or to beat a single MAC team that finished above .500?

 

[MiamiE]

Vishnu is a slobbering idiot (that graph of margin of loss is dumb dumb dumb), but I agree with a lot of this particular article. As usual, he latched onto a stupid argument with the "Oh no! What will we do when these guys leave!". Every team has these problems. Next man up. If the next "men" up suck, then AG gets fired. If they don't suck, and we're still losing games, then he gets fired. If they don't suck, and we finally start winning some games against good teams, he won't get fired (yet). Vishnu's over-analyzing of everything is retarded, but par for the course with him.

Oh my...

 

[kendallcanes]

You can obviously tell he hasn't played the sport, been on a football team, etc.

Thanks for getting me pumped up for the article and then failing. Good article for the passive follower of the program, but did nothing for me.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

You can obviously tell he hasn't played the sport, been on a football team, etc.

Thanks for getting me pumped up for the article and then failing. Good article for the passive follower of the program, but did nothing for me.

Says the guy with a soccer avatar......



Dont you mean Futbol?

 

[Ispyin]

Using 247's class calculator, if you take into account attrition, here is where our classes rank under Golden's staff (I did not include this year's class, which has had limited attrition so far):

2011 actual ranking: 33; 2011 adjusted ranking: 73
2012 actual ranking: 10; 2012 adjusted ranking: 19
2013 actual ranking: 14; 2013 adjusted ranking: 32

Between this and your previous post, I'm not sure what is most a manipulation.

First on your previous post, I would buy maybe Al getting another year due to the cloud which I know was real EXCEPT for the fact that he is losing to teams that have less talent using combined recruiting sources in theory. Fine, maybe he should lose to FSU cause of the cloud. But the others are a factor of coaching. For you to then dismiss that due to attrition, well it's his fault they didnt recruit players that stuck- they came despite the cloud, so you cant then use the cloud as an excuse. If those players didnt come, there were plenty of other 3* or so that would have. Cant have it both ways.

As for your inane adjusted ranking, very convenient to adjust Al's down based on attrition while leaving everyone else where they were despite what attrition those programs may have. Talk about manipulating data. Plus in some instances in terms of how the rankings are calculated, one program could lose 3 players to anothers 2 and the program losing 2 would slip more due to the *x points formula that is used.

nice try.

 

[luke137]

In light of the conference we play in and the talent on this team we should be better then 6-4. That falls on the HC. Golden hit his ceiling last year with that 7-0 start. 9-4 is his max and I think it doesn't matter how many 5* kids he brings in, he and Dino can only coach them to 8-4, or 9-3.

I will say this. If he returned to the MAC, he might win a conf. Title in 4-5 years.

 

[kendallcanes]

My avatar is not a soccer player.

Sorry for you that if someone shows you three charts and some bull**** and you think it's good ****. There was nothing new or informative in that article. Stating the obvious and never getting deeper than a statistic.

 

[sebastian91]

Can't someone come up with some earth shaking news instead of this old crap?

Nope. Same ****, new threadz...mane.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Look at the Golden Girls stumbling over themselves to defend their cult leader.

 

[Problem2]

Adversity has effected Golden, but not Larranaga (who is probably gonna have a top 10 team by the end of the year, again).

Will Larranaga win his second ACC title before Golden's first? That is the question.

 

[poncho0091]

Using 247's class calculator, if you take into account attrition, here is where our classes rank under Golden's staff (I did not include this year's class, which has had limited attrition so far):

2011 actual ranking: 33; 2011 adjusted ranking: 73
2012 actual ranking: 10; 2012 adjusted ranking: 19
2013 actual ranking: 14; 2013 adjusted ranking: 32

And that is still better than most of the teams we play.