Good article on 1 vs 2 gap defensive line philosophy

[CaneSince4Ever]

Start in the trenches first. No Coverage will look good with out pressure. NOT 1. If they drop the 2 gap philosophy they will automatically give us a BETTER CHANCE to be disruptive against run or pass. After that then they can address the alignment and coverages they will mix in .

I hear ya'...but how you use the front is a matter of preference, personnel, and what you can teach...IMO, coverage dictates what you do up front.
We lost the games we lost last year mostly due to blown coverages.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

ELITE guys like Prime or Revis look bad after 4 seconds. That's why DTs who are super strong or super athletic are prized at every level regardless of the scheme. All of our dominant teams had Studs at DT who made the DEs look Even better.

34 or 43 it isn't one coach who doesn't crave the ability to get pressure by sending 4 that's a wet dream. So when u blitz 5 its scary. Send 6 and it's certain doom. That pressure makes average dB's into all Americans ....

What good is having great dB's and LBs and a poo poo d line? If a qb has all day ur dead just like 7 on 7

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

Cause you're teaching your D-linemen to read the Offensive Lineman across from them, step accordingly (match the O-lineman's step) then completely control the O-lineman and move him from the gap.

Mirroring the OLmen & TE(s) is true of ALL the front 7 positions in a 3-4.
Particularly the ILBs, they're basically glorified DTs given how much they have to take on the OGs.

All 34s aren't 2 gap. A 1 gap 34 can be just as dangerous especially because the rushers are in a 2 point and u can disguise the rush more... Ideally

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

ELITE guys like Prime or Revis look bad after 4 seconds. That's why DTs who are super strong or super athletic are prized at every level regardless of the scheme. All of our dominant teams had Studs at DT who made the DEs look Even better.

34 or 43 it isn't one coach who doesn't crave the ability to get pressure by sending 4 that's a wet dream. So when u blitz 5 its scary. Send 6 and it's certain doom. That pressure makes average dB's into all Americans ....

What good is having great dB's and LBs and a poo poo d line? If a qb has all day ur dead just like 7 on 7

QB's not looking at the D-Line when He's settin' up to pass, He's looking at the developing coverage (post snap read) to see where to go with the ball. He either chunks it,throws it away, or eats it...ie, coverage sack.

 

[Coach Macho]

You're teaching your D-linemen to read and step versus simply getting off the ball and penetrate.

How can anybody not see how the 2-gap is harder to teach?

 

[Coach Macho]

ELITE guys like Prime or Revis look bad after 4 seconds. That's why DTs who are super strong or super athletic are prized at every level regardless of the scheme. All of our dominant teams had Studs at DT who made the DEs look Even better.

34 or 43 it isn't one coach who doesn't crave the ability to get pressure by sending 4 that's a wet dream. So when u blitz 5 its scary. Send 6 and it's certain doom. That pressure makes average dB's into all Americans ....

What good is having great dB's and LBs and a poo poo d line? If a qb has all day ur dead just like 7 on 7

QB's not looking at the D-Line when He's settin' up to pass, He's looking at the developing coverage (post snap read) to see where to go with the ball. He either chunks it,throws it away, or eats it...ie, coverage sack.

The QB looks at the front before he calls the protection.

 

[Coach Macho]

ELITE guys like Prime or Revis look bad after 4 seconds. That's why DTs who are super strong or super athletic are prized at every level regardless of the scheme. All of our dominant teams had Studs at DT who made the DEs look Even better.

34 or 43 it isn't one coach who doesn't crave the ability to get pressure by sending 4 that's a wet dream. So when u blitz 5 its scary. Send 6 and it's certain doom. That pressure makes average dB's into all Americans ....

What good is having great dB's and LBs and a poo poo d line? If a qb has all day ur dead just like 7 on 7

QB's not looking at the D-Line when He's settin' up to pass, He's looking at the developing coverage (post snap read) to see where to go with the ball. He either chunks it,throws it away, or eats it...ie, coverage sack.

Cause you're teaching your D-linemen to read the Offensive Lineman across from them, step accordingly (match the O-lineman's step) then completely control the O-lineman and move him from the gap.

Mirroring the OLmen & TE(s) is true of ALL the front 7 positions in a 3-4.
Particularly the ILBs, they're basically glorified DTs given how much they have to take on the OGs.

There's 1-gap 3-4's where D-linemen are penetrating instead of reading the OL.

LB's have to been reading O-linemen for ages. It's expected. But when you start asking your whole front-7 to read then you're naturally gonna play slower.

 

[brock]

You're teaching your D-linemen to read and step versus simply getting off the ball and penetrate.

How can anybody not see how the 2-gap is harder to teach?

If they actually played football before they would now how much harder the 2 gap is to teach and play in rather than the 1 gap... Smh

Says a lot...

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

How can anybody not see how the 2-gap is harder to teach?

In the case of the ILBs, the basic reads are...if the OG comes, I come...if He blocks down hard, I fill the hole...if He pulls, I follow...how hard is that to teach?

And I also contend, that the reads in a 3-4, are CLEANER than the reads in a 4-3, where the reads can get "muddy".

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

The QB looks at the front before he calls the protection.

CM...I was talking about post snap reads, not pre-snap. IMO, pre-snap reads can be very deceptive.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

But when you start asking your whole front-7 to read then you're naturally gonna play slower.

Indeed.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

I've played HB,Safety, and LB.

The QB has to identify the front in order to get his PROTECTION calls. Protection from the RUSH. He can't stare too long after the snap but guess what. One way or another constant pressure bring results.

Playing LB. If ur DL doesn't get pressure crossing routes CHEW up yards and keep u on the field.

Playing DB in zone without pressure on the QB is a nightmare its called a scramble drill and smart receivers start slipping into stretching windows ... More chunks taken

And playing man is even worse because ur back is to the QB and without getting pressure u have two possible scenarios. A no safety help because u gotta Blitz to compensate. Possible 6 points. Or b he starts to shimmy shake with a playground route and u get caught flatfooted because all **** is broke loose and u give up a huge chunk

This ain't madden bro ... Ain't no money plays and glitches

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

And that's just against the pass...

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

tbaycane & Coach Macho...points taken, good exchange.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

I'm pretty sure lu and coach can give it to you more in depth I'm a xo geek from the field perspective

 

[nycane]

bottom line, our players arent as slow as you guys think. its the confusion behind the 2 gap.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

I agree

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Last point...but in the example given in OP's article, that play was actually pretty well defended by McCord & Pierre.
Pierre had squeezed the LT down into the B gap,hence, using the the defender's body to defend the B-Gap, and Pierre using His body to defend the C gap. This is actually a 1-Gap technique, ala a 3-Technique squeezing down an OG.
In any event, Burns ends filling the C gap, and now you got 2 defenders (Burns & Pierre) in 1 gap.
That shouldn't happen, there was no reason for Burns to be filling that hole...happened quite a few times in the NU game...that was a maddening game to watch.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

What isn't shown in a still photo is whether they filled their gap by penetrating or because they made the right read on that play.

When grading out in a 2 gap, they(pierre,mccord)win that play.

Grading in an attacking 1 gap ... The results could have been a bigger loss on the play had (Pierre,McCord) attacked the gap off top....

It makes the point that the article intended. But without knowing the exact call from the DC we can only guess...

 

[cane since birth]

funny thing is we have been torched by GT in some games on defense and the one time we held them at bay was when we were 1 gapping