This thread is hilarious. No matter what happens against FSU next week, Golden will be the HC next year unless he leaves on his own. He is really starting to build something here, so I doubt highly he leaves.
These people have no concept of what "building something" looks like in college football.
They'd have fired
Jim Harbaugh after going 8-5 with a RS Freshman Andrew Luck; they'd have fired Jimbo Fisher when he dropped three in a row in 2011 after being a preseason top 5; and they DEFINITELY would have fired Butch Davis after losing 66-13 to Syracuse in his fourth year with Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Dan Morgan, Ed Reed, Al Blades, etc.
Let's go to the video tape and watch the stupidity unfold.
Part 1: Actual Improvement
Here is Harbaugh at Stanford. In terms of improvement:
2007: 3-6
2008: 4-5
2009: 6-3
2010: 8-1 (BCS Win Orange Bowl)
What you will notice is improvement in the division every season. Golden hit is peak in year 2 and unless he wins out, will remain a 5-3 team in the division.
NO IMPROVEMENT SINCE 2012 FOR GOLDEN
Part 2: Inheritance
I don't think people realize how bad Stanford was before Harbaugh. The year before Harbaugh arrived, Stanford was 1-11 (1-8). That is pretty darn bad. Between 2002-2006, Stanford went 16-40 (10-31). This was no picnic, every season was a losing season. This was a dead program. Their last bowl appearance was 2001.
Harbaugh not only improved every season, he inherited a bigger chit storm. Thus when he was
actually improving and given the severity of the program before his tenure, he was allowed proper time.
Part 3: DOING MORE WITH LESS
Stanford doesn't recruit well. They never were going to out talent the big boys (Oregon and USC). Still Harbuagh constantly won games against better teams. Golden's best win came against an 8-5 GT team in 2011.
Here is the 9+ Win Game Club For Harbaugh
2007 #2 USC [11-2(7-2)]
2008 #19 Oregon State [9-4(7-2)]
2009 #7 Oregon [10-3 (8-1)]
2009 #11 USC [9-4 (5-4)]
These are the first 3 years. Harbaugh was able to do more with less. He was able to beat good teams and beat them with less.
Now that we realize there is no comparison for Golden and Harbaugh, let's stop saying it and announce this a dead point
Part 4: Butch v. Golden
I was already sure this argument was dead as the situations were nothing alike. Here is an old post on the comparison.
As for the retarded comparison to Butch Davis.
- Butch was down 31 ships
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Butch was a first time HC
- Butch won his first bowl game, Al never won any (already lost his first one at Miami)
- Butch was 17-6 after two seasons at Miami. Al Golden 13-12.
- Butch was 31-15 after four seasons at Miami. Al Golden is 28-18 (at this point).
- Butch finished 51-20 at Miami. For Golden, to match that he can only lose 2 games over the next 25.
Al Golden's best win at Miami was against an 8-5 GT team in 2011.
Butch Davis beat the following teams (9 or more wins) [This is through 46 games or the same point at Miami]
#22 Syracuse (9-3) in 95
#16 Syracuse (9-3) in 96
#3 UCLA (10-2) in 98
Butch Davis had issues but for being a FIRST TIME HC and dealing with REAL SANCTIONS...Al isn't close.
