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Golden lost 27 of 71 players over 3 recruiting classes

That number is a problem but its not all goldens fault.

Witt was going tone a good player. Concussions

Figs was a solid player. Likes to rape

Blue. Special teams guy. Likes anal rape.

Some couldn't make it in because of grades.
 
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It's your fault who you bring in. What ever they do afterwards is on you as well. 1 or 2 guys is fine but when it hits 20 to 30 you are at fault. Lots of guys kicked off for off the field issues. Finnie, Eddie Johnson, Fig, Blue... Plus who gave up and left....All from the terrible defense. Something is wrong. And compounded by not being a good game day staff. Huge problem
 
That is massive attrition, and don't even think of the dumb "yeah, but Saban runs guys off too" horse **** that gets spewed every time this startling statistic is raised.

The cloud of incompetence.
 
supacane said:
It's your fault who you bring in. What ever they do afterwards is on you as well. 1 or 2 guys is fine but when it hits 20 to 30 you are at fault. Lots of guys kicked off for off the field issues. Finnie, Eddie Johnson, Fig, Blue... Plus who gave up and left....All from the terrible defense. Something is wrong. And compounded by not being a good game day staff. Huge problem
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These are 18 year old kids, many of which come from questionable backgrounds... of course there will be off field issues. Part of Golden's job is to develop them and guide them through these issues - that's part of being a mentor - not jettisoning a kid at the first sign of trouble.
 
I know it looks like a lot - but any class at any school can expect that 15 - 20% of their recruiting class will not play their full career at that school.

Misevaluation, Academics, Disciplinary reasons, legal trouble, injury, coaching changes, transfers - so many factors go into this. It happened to Shannon, Coker & Butch - it's just how college football works.

Just look at our top classes ever as an example. The key will always be to not keep a whole class, but to land 4-5 players that are truly "elite". That's the difference between a good and great team.

2000 Recruiting Class

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=2

2001 Recruiting Class

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=2
 
bbcane said:
orange&green84 said:
NVA CANE said:
callmetrip said:
NVA CANE said:
Now he is, but he was on the team for two years and never got play time.
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I gotta own this one, I thought we stole him from VaTech on signing day and was happy to have him. After what he did I hope he gets help in prison and doesn't see the light of day for quite a long while. Hopefully can make something of himself and pay a debt to society on his return.

But yeah, I wanted him here and was happy when Bud was upset. still ****ed Skaii wasn't offered tho.
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Ah Skai. With depth issues the way they are, you would have thought golden would have offered Skai and Matthew Thomas. Decisions like that have made us thin at linebacker. And before someone says we had limited schollies how many players did he hand out schollies to after NSD. Enough to where he could have offered Skai Moore and had a stud linebacker that offered depth to a thin position.
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To be fair, the staff did offer Matthew Thomas, he just didn't want to come here. Skai Moore on the other hand.....that's arguably Golden's greatest fvck up in recruiting since he's been here. Skai Moore would've definitely been alot of help.
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Skai Moore doesn't even start for his team.
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He didn't start the first game due to the coach being ****ed at him for not getting treatment on his shoulder. And fwiw, he was South Carolina's leading tackler as a true freshman last year.
 
Well the one thing positive in the whole mess is we basically have accounted for 7 of 9 lost scholarships. Going forward we'll have to give up only 2.
Actually a previous poster is correct. There always is a good bit of attrition with most programs, we just have to able to land those 4 to 5 major impact players every year then hoped they're getting coached up. I think this freshman class is a major impact class. We however need to back those type classes on a consistent basis.
This is also the first class that everyone got past admissions. From a talent standpoint it almost feels like to me we are starting over Whoever may be coaching in a couple of years, I don't ever want to see that many true freshman getting that many minutes opening a season, that is not a formula for success.
 
bshaw28 said:
I know it looks like a lot - but any class at any school can expect that 15 - 20% of their recruiting class will not play their full career at that school.

Misevaluation, Academics, Disciplinary reasons, legal trouble, injury, coaching changes, transfers - so many factors go into this. It happened to Shannon, Coker & Butch - it's just how college football works.

Just look at our top classes ever as an example. The key will always be to not keep a whole class, but to land 4-5 players that are truly "elite". That's the difference between a good and great team.

2000 Recruiting Class

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=2

2001 Recruiting Class

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=2
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It looks like a lot because it is a lot.
 
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5 or 6 per class is probably acceptable and common. Thats at least 10 players to high and doesn't account for the amount of dead weight still on the team. Big reason why we are young in multiple areas every year.
 
Just remember who our President is she wants a spiffy clean image for the media. So keeping questionable teenagers after they make a mistake is not an option!
 
Palm Harbor Cane said:
Just remember who our President is she wants a spiffy clean image for the media. So keeping questionable teenagers after they make a mistake is not an option!
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Six degrees of Shalala. Even Al's incompetence in managing his roster is linked back to her. Can't be that Al did anything wrong.
 
bshaw28 said:
I know it looks like a lot - but any class at any school can expect that 15 - 20% of their recruiting class will not play their full career at that school.

Misevaluation, Academics, Disciplinary reasons, legal trouble, injury, coaching changes, transfers - so many factors go into this. It happened to Shannon, Coker & Butch - it's just how college football works.

Just look at our top classes ever as an example. The key will always be to not keep a whole class, but to land 4-5 players that are truly "elite". That's the difference between a good and great team.

2000 Recruiting Class

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=2

2001 Recruiting Class

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=2
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20% is a lot less than 38%
 
supacane said:
It's your fault who you bring in. What ever they do afterwards is on you as well. 1 or 2 guys is fine but when it hits 20 to 30 you are at fault. Lots of guys kicked off for off the field issues. Finnie, Eddie Johnson, Fig, Blue... Plus who gave up and left....All from the terrible defense. Something is wrong. And compounded by not being a good game day staff. Huge problem
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Didn't many on here say we needed more "thugs". Well that is what you get.
 
The article itself is alarming, but most of situations were explainable. For instance, if players commit felony crimes, they should be kicked out. Miami has done that. That's uncontrollable.

Players that want to transfer out because they did not get the playing time they wanted, that's uncontrollable since it's the player's choice. Although Golden has said that he does not push anyone out, we know that coaches can make some players feel like such an outsider that the player sees the writing on the wall and wants out. I think all coaches do this in some manner... But pushing a player out is self-inflicted wound.

Now here's Golden's "problem" in regards to player attrition. He knows that he can flip the roster to get better players at any given time. The problem is that when he flips the roster to get more talent, the new players that are expected to replace the old talent do not stay long enough to see on-the-field productivity. As a result, Golden is constantly trying to flip the roster. At least this is my theory concerning the matter.
 
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Insanecane said:
SFbayCane said:
That's basically one entire class.


Although I wonder what other major programs' numbers look like. I know there's a lot of attrition at programs like Alabama, LSU, etc.
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Bama has attrition but Saban over signs every year, you won't believe this but he plans for attrition. Crazy huh? A coach that prepares for ****.
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Hmmm. I'm not sticking up for Al here in any way shape of form but having the looming sanctions I'm sure handcuffed his ability to plan for over signing. Maybe not I dunno.

Either way, that's still a lot of ******* guys. It wasn't just Golden though. Shannon's classes were the same way and it essentially led to the roster problems we had when Golden arrived.
 
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