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OriginalGatorHater said:
Oh man I never realized that was THE Jim Brown in that movie. I haven't seen it since I was a kid lol.
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That's why the scene in the end where he was sprinting and tossing the grenades down the air shafts was so cool.
Watching as a kid I was yelling...That is Jim Brown man!!

It was during this film when he retired from football:

Production on the film ran for so long, that Jim Brown was in danger of missing training camp for the up-coming 1965 to 1966 football season. As training camp and the NFL season approached, the NFL threatened to fine and suspend Brown if he did not leave filming and report to camp immediately. Not one to take threats, Brown simply held a press conference to announce his retirement from football. At the time of his retirement, Brown was considered to be one of the best in the game, and even today is considered to be one of the NFL's all-time greats.

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NJshoreCane said:
That's why the scene in the end where he was sprinting and tossing the grenades down the air shafts was so cool.
That was Jim Brown man!!

It was during this film that he retired from football:

Production on the film ran for so long, that Jim Brown was in danger of missing training camp for the up-coming 1965 to 1966 football season. As training camp and the NFL season approached, the NFL threatened to fine and suspend Brown if he did not leave filming and report to camp immediately. Not one to take threats, Brown simply held a press conference to announce his retirement from football. At the time of his retirement, Brown was considered to be one of the best in the game, and even today is considered to be one of the NFL's all-time greats.

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That is awesome. I need to watch that movie again for sure with that in mind. Great film. Haven't seen it in over a decade though. Thanks for dropping the trivia bro.
 
Shaudluc said:
OJ ran for 2000 in 14 games I put OJ first
Eric ****erson second Barry third Walter forth
Emmith fifth.
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I never seen those other guys on tv i grew up in the emmit and sanders era and Barry was by far better IMO, if u put Barry on those Dallas teams forget about it
 
I remember a Cowboys game in the JJ years on the way to a Super Bowl where they had the game won and were just running out the clock. Emmitt was taking handoff after handoff and pounding it for 3-4 yards each time. He was beat and looked like he might not make it back to the huddle. He definitely gave it his all in that game.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
Marcus Allen is the most complete running back I've ever seen. He gets lost in the conversation because he didn't exist in the internet era and because Al Davis basically took his prime.

Name the back that, as a package, runs in the open field, pass protects, gets open and catches out of the backfield, runs between the tackles, AND becomes a deadly short yardage back better than Allen.
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Walter beats M. Allen hands down. Vicious blocker, excellent receiver. Heck, he could even punt and throw the ball.

Great pure RB of all time - Barry
Greatest all-around back - Walter

Rest of top 5 -
OJ
Brown
Emmitt- yeah he had an incredible run-blocking OL, but he convinced me when he was very productive with the Cardinals late in his career.
 
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Barry is #1 with me
I met him a few times in a casual setting and he was such a humble and welcoming person.
He was also very respectful of his one time coach Wayne Fontes.
 
Combo said:
Walter beats M. Allen hands down. Vicious blocker, excellent receiver. Heck, he could even punt and throw the ball.

Great pure RB of all time - Barry
Greatest all-around back - Walter

Rest of top 5 -
OJ
Brown
Emmitt- yeah he had an incredible run-blocking OL, but he convinced me when he was very productive with the Cardinals late in his career.
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I've enjoyed this conversation and I'll go back to what I said earlier. If you think Payton was a more complete running back that Allen, we just disagree. Allen is far more dangerous in the open field, far more versatile as a pass catcher, and the most versatile short yardage back I've ever seen. What he did as a Raider v. what he was then asked to do as a Chief is astounding. I can't think of any other player, at an elite level, that is asked to basically remake his game and does so, again at a high level. Maybe Ray in his multiple LB roles is in that discussion. Maybe Charles Woodson to a lesser extent. Can't think of anyone else.

Payton was a devastating blocker; **** he loved that, ate it up. He was at his best when there was a turnover. He gets the clear nod when it comes to generally hitting guys on the other team. He is a legend in that regard, no doubt.

I don't factor in passing and punting for running backs. That's like bumping up Flutie because he could drop kick. That does not make him a more complete QB, though it makes him a more versatile football player.

I think we can agree that both Payton and Allen get lost in the conversation of best, whatever that actually means.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
LT is the greatest in my life time no question. I remember watching him as a kid. Guy was on a different level.
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LT is definitely in the top 5 all time. Walter, Bo, LT, and Barry are the best RB’s of my lifetime watching ball. They were either the best player on the field or figured out how to make plays with horrible teams. Smith was a good lucky back but not elite as in top 5 all time. I put Gore a slight notch above Smith.

The best RB at UM who doesn’t much much love is McGuire. He was a beast.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
I've enjoyed this conversation and I'll go back to what I said earlier. If you think Payton was a more complete running back that Allen, we just disagree. Allen is far more dangerous in the open field, far more versatile as a pass catcher, and the most versatile short yardage back I've ever seen. What he did as a Raider v. what he was then asked to do as a Chief is astounding. I can't think of any other player, at an elite level, that is asked to basically remake his game and does so, again at a high level. Maybe Ray in his multiple LB roles is in that discussion. Maybe Charles Woodson to a lesser extent. Can't think of anyone else.

Payton was a devastating blocker; **** he loved that, ate it up. He was at his best when there was a turnover. He gets the clear nod when it comes to generally hitting guys on the other team. He is a legend in that regard, no doubt.

I don't factor in passing and punting for running backs. That's like bumping up Flutie because he could drop kick. That does not make him a more complete QB, though it makes him a more versatile football player.

I think we can agree that both Payton and Allen get lost in the conversation of best, whatever that actually means.
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Payton retired as the all time leading rusher. AND the all time leading receiver out of the backfield. Let that sink in. Say it again. Payton retired as the all time leading rusher. AND the all time leading receiver out of the backfield.

He did almost all that on awful teams, behind awful lines, with no talented QBs or skill posiition guys around him.

Oh, as you mention, perhaps the goat blocker at RB.

Oh, despite your comment, that he was literally the third string QB and backup punter is relevant. He actually played those roles in games when called upon.

Walter Payton was the best all around player ever in the nfl. But he also was the all time leading rusher and receiver out of the backfield at the time he retired.

G.O.A.T.
 
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TrueFloridian said:
LT is definitely in the top 5 all time. Walter, Bo, LT, and Barry are the best RB’s of my lifetime watching ball. They were either the best player on the field or figured out how to make plays with horrible teams. Smith was a good lucky back but not elite as in top 5 all time. I put Gore a slight notch above Smith.

The best RB at UM who doesn’t much much love is McGuire. He was a beast.
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In the playoffs LT either choked or quit. Could not be in my Top 5 for those reasons
 
From a millenial standpoint I can only base my opinions on stats and highlights:

From what I’ve been taught and seen:
Barry Sanders #1
Walter Peyton #2
Then pretty much everyone else...

Bo Jackson would have been special had he focused straight on football. Probably have seen more of his highlights than anyone elses.

To offer perspective on What I have seen as the best in my lifetime:

Marshal Faulk
Adrian Peterson #2
Ladanian Tomlinson #3
Edgerrin James #4
Fred Taylor #5
 
OBLIVION said:
Barry Sanders is the greatest RB to ever play the game. He would've rushed for nearly 2k every season behind the Cowboys line.

If you built a time machine. You could send Barry back to when Jim Brown played and he would've put up Oklahoma State numbers. Versus the defenses and players of that time.

"Sanders is believed to have had the most negative rushing yards in history at minus-1,114 (on 336 carries). Take those out and he averaged 6.0 yards per run over his career."

Bo Jackson would be right there with Barry. Had he stuck with just playing football and never got hurt.

Both guys would dominate any era of the game.
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Take out the iceberg and the Titanic’s maiden voyage was a smashing success.

Sander’s was great but his lack of blocking and propensity to lose yards at times elimintes him from goat status.
 
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