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Damiencane86 said:
Good data here but I think those Georgia numbers are ultimately more of Searles truly being the benefactor of Kirby's great recruiting. Otherwise, Searles' ceiling for OL draftees is 3rd round.
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Take away Searels UGA #’s, & just go head to head w Mirabal overall #’s by comparison.

Matter of fact, I’ll do it:

Searels: 8 (avg. NFL draft position: mid 4th Rd)
Mirabal: 6 (avg. NFL draft position: early 5th Rd)

However u extrapolate the data, it’s going to favor the combo of Kirby/Searels which I know they’re selling b/c my lil homie who’s now at OK St was recruited by them.

It’s y I sit back & just smh sometimes when I see post b/c I know it’s coming from a fan standpoint. Make no mistake about it, Searels is on my most hated list as far as previous assistant coaches, but the data is the data.

U can say “well, he inherited players A-Z”, but the moment we do that, we have to apply that same principle to Mario & Alex at their previous stints. It’s y I gave Mario credit for credit for guys who took over, even if it was only for one season, & he deserves that credit.
 
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Damiencane86 said:
Good data here but I think those Georgia numbers are ultimately more of Searles truly being the benefactor of Kirby's great recruiting. Otherwise, Searles' ceiling for OL draftees is 3rd round.
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When I think elite recruiters- Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart, Pete Carroll are the elite recruiters that it doesn’t matter whose on their staff
 
Rellyrell said:
For the record, b/c there’s so many narratives out here, & it’s hard to keep up.

Here’s the OL production for Smart as a HC, Cristobal as a HC, Mirabal as an OLC, & Searles as an OLC.

Mario Cristobal: 11
@ Alabama: 5
(Kouandijo-2nd Rd, Kouandijo-4th Rd, Shepherd-7th Rd, Kelly-1st Rd, Robinson-2nd Rd)

@Oregon: 4
(Sewell-1st, Lemieux-6th, Hanson-6th, Crosby-5th)

@Miami: 2
(Lee-7th Rd, Rivers-5th)


Alex Mirabal: 6
@marshall: 1
(Scott - 6th Rd)

@UO: 3
(Sewell-1st, Lemieux-6th, Hanson-6th)

@Miami: 2
(lLee-7th, Rivers-5th)


Kirby Smart: 16
@ UGA:
(McClendon- 5th Rd, Jones-1st Rd, Van Pran-5th Rd, Mims-1st Rd, Wilson-3rd Rd, Fairchild-2nd, Wynn-1st Rd, Gaillard-6th Rd, Kindley-4th Rd, Wilson-1st Rd, Thomas-1st Rd, Hill-6th Rd, Cleveland-3rd Rd, Shafer-6th Rd, Salyer-6th rd)


Stacey Searels: 15
@LSU: 1
(Whitworth - 2nd Rd)

@UGA p. I: 2
(Adams-6th Rd, Boling-4th Rd)

@VT: 1
(Gibson-7th Rd)

@Miami: 1
(Isadora-5th Rd)

@UNC: 3
(Ezeudu-3rd Rd, McKethan-5th Rd, Heck-4th Rd)

@UGA: 7
(McClendon-5th Rd, Jones-1st Rd, Van Pran-5th Rd, Mims-1st Rd, Wilson-3rd Rd, Fairchild-2nd)

-The combo of Smart/Searels can claim they’ve produced 24 NFL OL.

-The combo of Cristobal/Mirabal can claim they’ve produced 12 NFL OL.
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You missed Rutledge too.

That said, having lightly defended Searels earlier, this data make it pretty obvious that any argument in favor of his development skills should at least mention that Georgia's recruiting has helped.

Also none of those dudes aside from Whitworth are any good.
 
CANESCANES said:
The Oklahoma OL coach has 15 OL drafted including 3 first rounders since 2013 in comparison
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I just want our fans to step outside of their comfort zone & watch CFB, as a whole. I want them to watch the NFL draft unbiasedly & then, maybe then, they can understand y certain players at certain position groups choose certain programs.

Right now, the myth around Mario & Alex ain’t adding up, & I peeped that after last draft. Cohen went from a 2nd team All SEC at Bama, came to us to enhance his draft grade & went UDFA.

After that, I started digging into the draft history of OL under Mario at all his stops (Rutgers, Miami, FIU, Bama, UO), same w Alex and I was quite literally flabbergasted.

I wondered y so much impetus was put on Sewell vs. their body of work, & voila. With that said, do I think these two r great teachers? Yes, but there’s a severe disconnect between what’s being taught & what’s being yielded to the NFL by comparison to their peers.
 
Rellyrell said:
I just want our fans to step outside of their comfort zone & watch CFB, as a whole. I want them to watch the NFL draft unbiasedly & then, maybe then, they can understand y certain players at certain position groups choose certain programs.

Right now, the myth around Mario & Alex ain’t adding up, & I peeped that after last draft. Cohen went from a 2nd team All SEC at Bama, came to us to enhance his draft grade & went UDFA.

After that, I started digging into the draft history of OL under Mario at all his stops (Rutgers, Miami, FIU, Bama, UO), same w Alex and I was quite literally flabbergasted.

I wondered y so much impetus was put on Sewell vs. their body of work, & voila. With that said, do I think these two r great teachers? Yes, but there’s a severe disconnect between what’s being taught & what’s being yielded to the NFL by comparison to their peers.
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The amount of data shared by SO MANY on this board has proven time and time again, that the combo of Mario and Mirabal are not the best coaches/developers in the country of OL. Quite frankly, there are quite a few more who have had much more success.

Again, people need to STOP crowning these guys simply because they are fans of UM. So is everyone of us showing every data point imaginable to refute claims they are the best. I really am perplexed people make all these claims and still hang onto it, yet everything proves the contrary.
 
Rellyrell said:
Take away Searels UGA #’s, & just go head to head w Mirabal overall #’s by comparison.

Matter of fact, I’ll do it:

Searels: 8 (avg. NFL draft position: mid 4th Rd)
Mirabal: 6 (avg. NFL draft position: early 5th Rd)

However u extrapolate the data, it’s going to favor the combo of Kirby/Searels which I know they’re selling b/c my lil homie who’s now at OK St was recruited by them.

It’s y I sit back & just smh sometimes when I see post b/c I know it’s coming from a fan standpoint. Make no mistake about it, Searels is on my most hated list as far as previous assistant coaches, but the data is the data.

U can say “well, he inherited players A-Z”, but the moment we do that, we have to apply that same principle to Mario & Alex at their previous stints. It’s y I gave Mario credit for credit for guys who took over, even if it was only for one season, & he deserves that credit.
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The eye test also matters to me and his units here and other stops were no bueno. UGA's group, although still getting guys drafted high are not performing at the collective standard they had with whoever coached the UGA OL prior. But Searles no doubt landed in the perfect place where Kirby will get him the best raw talent to perfectly cover up his flaws as an OL coach.
 
Damiencane86 said:
The eye test also matters to me and his units here and other stops were no bueno. UGA's group, although still getting guys drafted high are not performing at the collective standard they had with whoever coached the UGA OL prior. But Searles no doubt landed in the perfect place where Kirby will get him the best raw talent to perfectly cover up his flaws as an OL coach.
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Who said UGA isn't performing at a high level, DMONEY? They had 1 down year under Searles this past year. Not to mention, they had a lot of injuries on the OL last year.

"The numbers show that Georgia was a pretty banged-up team last season. Using Connelly’s metric, Georgia ranked 99th in the country in lineup consistency. Of the 12 teams that made the College Football Playoff, Georgia ranked last in that regard.

At the mid-point of the season, it was the offensive line that dealt with the injury bug, as recent NFL draft picks Tate Ratledge and Jared Wilson both missed multiple games. Later in the season, Earnest Greene and Monroe Freeling battled injury."

Searles arrived at UGA in 2022.

In 2022 and 2023 UGA was 3rd and 9th in the country in YPR under Searles.

In 2022 and 2023 UGA was 4th and 8th in the country in Sack %.
 
MikeyCanez said:
You missed Rutledge too.

That said, having lightly defended Searels earlier, this data make it pretty obvious that any argument in favor of his development skills should at least mention that Georgia's recruiting has helped.

Also none of those dudes aside from Whitworth are any good.
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Yeah, I missed that big **** twice. Lol. Added him to the QP, but he was apart of the overall totals.

The other thing is this:
-Out of the 15 NFL draft picks from Searels:

1. Whitworth - 5*
2. Adams - 3*
3. Boiling - 3*
4. Isidora - 3*
5. Gibson - 4*
6. Ezeudu - 3*
7. McKethan - 3*
8. Heck - 3*
9. McClendon - 4*
10. Jones - 5*
11. Van Pran - 4*
12. Mims - 5*
13. Ratledge - 4*
14. Fairchild - 4*
15. Wilson - 3*

8/15 or 53% were considered Blue Chip OLs

-Out of Mirabal’s 6:
1. Scott - 3*
2. Sewell - 4*
3. Hanson - 3*
4. Limeux - 3*
5. Rivers - 4*
6. Lee - 4* (Re-ranked Transfer - #1 C)

3/6 or 50% were considered Blue Chip OLs

-Out of Mario’s 11:

1. Kouandijo - 5*
2. Kouandijo - 4*
3. Shepherd - 3*
4. Kelly - 4*
5. Robinson - 5*
6. Crosby - 3*
7. Sewell - 4*
8. Hanson - 3*
9. Limeux - 3*
10. Rivers - 4*
11. Lee - 4* (Re-ranked Transfer - #1 C)

7/11 or 64% were considered Blue Chip OLs

So again, when we try to apply the principle of “Searels success is based upon quality of OL”, well frankly that couldn’t be more true of Mario. Also, the name of the game is to recruit elite, send to the NFL, & the results will follow.
 
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Damiencane86 said:
The eye test also matters to me and his units here and other stops were no bueno. UGA's group, although still getting guys drafted high are not performing at the collective standard they had with whoever coached the UGA OL prior. But Searles no doubt landed in the perfect place where Kirby will get him the best raw talent to perfectly cover up his flaws as an OL coach.
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The eye test says u would be correct, however, the production test says come to UGA as an OLmen & get drafted. That’s y it doesn’t make sense to argue why player A would to go to school A. Yes NIL is a factor, but there’s end goal is always NFL. NIL $$ runs out if u can’t make it to the league.

Which is y its imperative we change some narratives along the landscape of CFB
 
Mirabal was OL coach at like FIU and Marshall before joining Mario at Oregon. So sure a guy like Searles that's been at top p5 programs (LSU, Texas, UGA, Miami, UNC, VTech) for 20 years has a far larger sample size WITH great better prospects as the foundation...

Like is the point that overall program success is ultimately what drives the recruiting and thus the draft output? Cause that's really mostly obvious. And also walking into a program that has been having a decade or more of success is far easier to maintain or get good results at than one that has sucked and needs to be rebuilt from the foundation up. ....
 
I'm seeing a hodgepodge of "data" comparing NFL talent at different programs with disparate recruiting power (for example, look at Searels' career and the places he's been versus Mirabal).

So let's make it simple and compare apples to apples: Searels was here at Miami. We were terrible. Everyone saw it. Mirabal and Cristobal came here, inherited a terrible room, and we've been a Top 10 OL for the past two seasons.

Conversely, Searels joined Georgia at their absolute national championship peak. Three years later, and their OL stinks. Any honest person will tell you it's their biggest weakness.

If I told you when we hired Mario that our OL would be better than Georgia's in three years, that would be considered homerism. But that's the difference between Mirabal and Good Ol' Boy Searels.
 
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DMoney said:
I'm seeing a hodgepodge of "data" comparing NFL talent at different programs with disparate recruiting power (for example, look at Searels' career and the places he's been versus Mirabal).

So let's make it simple and compare apples to apples: Searels was here at Miami. We were terrible. Everyone saw it. Mirabal and Cristobal came here, inherited a terrible room, and we've been a Top 10 OL for the past two seasons.

Conversely, Searels joined Georgia at their absolute national championship peak. Three years later, and their OL stinks. Any honest person will tell you it's their biggest weakness.

If I told you when we hired Mario that our OL would be better than Georgia's in three years, that would be considered homerism. But that's the difference between Mirabal and Good Ol' Boy Searels.
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Can't deny that
 
Damiencane86 said:
The eye test also matters to me and his units here and other stops were no bueno. UGA's group, although still getting guys drafted high are not performing at the collective standard they had with whoever coached the UGA OL prior. But Searles no doubt landed in the perfect place where Kirby will get him the best raw talent to perfectly cover up his flaws as an OL coach.
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Well, friend there’s two things:

1. A CFB Coach’s job is get u to the next level, just like a HS Coach’s job is to get u to the next level. After that it’s on u, the player.

2. Not sure u wanna go that route by comparison, b/c:
-Crosby is out of the league after 3 yrs
-Hanson is out of the league after 4 yrs
-Limeux is out of the league after 4 yrs
-Scott is out of the league after 1 yr
-C. Kouandijo (5*) is out of the league after 5 yrs
-A. Kouandijo (4*) is out of the league after 4 yrs
-Shepherd is out of the league after 2 yrs

That’s 7/12 draft picks produced or 58% that Yoga Flamed out of the league

UGA just under Smart’s regime?
5/16 draft picks produced or 31% that Yoga Flamed out of the league

Brethren, u can either accept the data or nah. All I do is provide info, & that info is not here to bash or trash, but to educate & relate why a kid “may” choose to attend a program.

& just for chits & giggles for Searels outside of UGA:
1. Whitworth - played 16 yrs
2. Adams - Flamed after 1 yr
3. Boiling - played 8 yrs
4. Isadora - played 6 yrs
5: Gibson - Flamed after 4 yrs
6. Ezeudu - Currently playing for NYG
7. McKethan - Flamed after 3 yrs
8. Heck - Currently playing for TBB

So out of the 8 excluding UGA, 3/8 or 38% flamed out the NFL.

Hence y I prefer not to expose data, b/c it’s never in our favor when we make bold claims, not in the last 15 yrs at least.
 
DMoney said:
I'm seeing a hodgepodge of "data" comparing NFL talent at different programs with disparate recruiting power (for example, look at Searels' career and the places he's been versus Mirabal).

So let's make it simple and compare apples to apples: Searels was here at Miami. We were terrible. Everyone saw it. Mirabal and Cristobal came here, inherited a terrible room, and we've been a Top 10 OL for the past two seasons.

Conversely, Searels joined Georgia at their absolute national championship peak. Three years later, and their OL stinks. Any honest person will tell you it's their biggest weakness.

If I told you when we hired Mario that our OL would be better than Georgia's in three years, that would be considered homerism. But that's the difference between Mirabal and Good Ol' Boy Searels.
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It’s not hodgepodge data; its only hodgepodge b/c it doesn’t fit what’s most important:

Who’s producing more NFL talent at this position. That hodgepodge doesn’t fit the cry wolf mantra.

U can’t take one season & say, “see, we’re better.” That’s why u have to provide alllllllll data, & the data shows the program in Athens, GA in only 9 seasons have produced more NFL OLman than Mario & Alex’s entire career, combined. That’s not cherry picking, that’s actual & factual. The data shows that even as handicapped as Searels is, he’s still produced more NFL OLman than Alex Mirabal, even removing his current UGA stint.

Recruiting is a sales job, & the sales job right now says UGA is grossly outperforming Miami regarding NFL OL draft picks. No one gives af about stats in recruiting besides wins & who’s getting me to the NFL. That’s it.
 
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Rellyrell said:
It’s not hodgepodge data; its only hodgepodge b/c it doesn’t fit what’s most important:

Who’s producing more NFL talent at this position. That hodgepodge doesn’t fit the cry wolf mantra.

U can’t take one season & say, “see, we’re better.” That’s why u have to provide alllllllll data, & the data shows the program in Athens, GA in only 9 seasons have produced more NFL OLman than Mario & Alex’s entire career, combined. That’s not cherry picking, that’s actual & factual. The data shows that even as handicapped as Searels is, he’s still produced more NFL OLman than Alex Mirabal, even removing his current UGA stint.

Recruiting is a sales job; the sales job & the sales job right now says UGA is grossly outperforming Miami regarding NFL OL draft picks. No one gives af about stats in recruiting besides wins & who’s getting me to the NFL. That’s it.
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UGA is the best program in the country. You won’t hear me say a bad word about Kirby Smart. He is an elite recruiter and an elite evaluator. That’s why they are the favorite for Jackson Cantwell.

But despite all the advantages of being at the best program in America, Miami had the much better OL last year. We bring almost everybody back, including multiple NFL prospects who will be showing up on your charts. I attribute that to the difference between Mirabal and Searels.

The reason fans believe in Mirabal is simple. He had great OLs at Oregon, came here, inherited garbage, and quickly built a great OL here. I know Searels isn’t capable of doing that, because he already tried and failed miserably.
 
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