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DTP said:
FSU wasn’t the best defense TVD faced. NCST and Pitt were both better.
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I was paraphrasing what the guy said, but I went back and am now going to transcribe what he says beginning at 38:40 of the video:

"You know have the 3,000 lb gorilla in the room which is Tyler Van Dyke. For me, his sample size for success isn't large enough so we have input a wide distribution net for the Canes offense this season. Certainly Van Dyke has a large arm and he can make ungodly throws. In Lashlee's offense, an OC we respect more, Van Dyke did finish top 5 in QBR. Early draft pundits have TVD behind Stroud and Young.

It is an interesting case study because Canes fans desperately wanted King back. Then King gets hurt and they want top 50 player 4 star recruit Jake Garcia. Then Garcia gets hurt and Van Dyke wins the starting job heading into the UVA game.

And if you kind of parse these games and think about them, TVD was miserable in the 1st halves of the games of his first two starts against UVA and UNC, Miami loses both.

You sneak past NCState at home with the Wolfpack down 5 starters on defense. Van Dyke was on fire against Pitt early and they barely hang on because he wasn't great in the second half.

You look at the final 4 games and look at who they played. GT a team outside the top 100 in defensive efficiency. Duke 118th defensive efficiency. Vtech a team with a lame duck coach, and then your biggest rival and the defense trending best that he faced was FSU. Van Dyke had a negative EPA per play in the first 3 quarters of that game.

So I don't want to make the assumption that Van Dyke is on the same level as Stroud and Young...."
 
JD4 said:
I was paraphrasing what the guy said, but I went back and am now going to transcribe what he says beginning at 38:40 of the video:

"You know have the 3,000 lb gorilla in the room which is Tyler Van Dyke. For me, his sample size for success isn't large enough so we have input a wide distribution net for the Canes offense this season. Certainly Van Dyke has a large arm and he can make ungodly throws. In Lashlee's offense, an OC we respect more, Van Dyke did finish top 5 in QBR. Early draft pundits have TVD behind Stroud and Young.

It is an interesting case study because Canes fans desperately wanted King back. Then King gets hurt and they want top 50 player 4 star recruit Jake Garcia. Then Garcia gets hurt and Van Dyke wins the starting job heading into the UVA game.

And if you kind of parse these games and think about them, TVD was miserable in the 1st halves of the games of his first two starts against UVA and UNC, Miami loses both.

You sneak past NCState at home with the Wolfpack down 5 starters on defense. Van Dyke was on fire against Pitt early and they barely hang on because he wasn't great in the second half.

You look at the final 4 games and look at who they played. GT a team outside the top 100 in defensive efficiency. Duke 118th defensive efficiency. Vtech a team with a lame duck coach, and then your biggest rival and the defense trending best that he faced was FSU. Van Dyke had a negative EPA per play in the first 3 quarters of that game.

So I don't want to make the assumption that Van Dyke is on the same level as Stroud and Young...."
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In fairness, nobody besides Miami fans were saying Tyler is as good as either of those guys. He’s got flaws but the one thing I’d put in the “elite” category is his ability to hit receivers deep on the outside of the hashes. Lashlee’s offense was almost comically simple compared to the current one but a lot of the best offenses in college football are like that. NFL scouts may not like that but I’ve always preferred that we run the offense that scores the most points not the one that impresses scouts the most.
 
Need more information than that

did they have a true freshmen starting at qb his first year? Who were the WR's his first and second year? etc.
 
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DTP said:
In fairness, nobody besides Miami fans were saying Tyler is as good as either of those guys. He’s got flaws but the one thing I’d put in the “elite” category is his ability to hit receivers deep on the outside of the hashes. Lashlee’s offense was almost comically simple compared to the current one but a lot of the best offenses in college football are like that. NFL scouts may not like that but I’ve always preferred that we run the offense that scores the most points not the one that impresses scouts the most.
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I mean Miami fans were way higher on him than fans nationally, but NFL scouts don't care what Miami fans think and apparently they had him as the #3 guy so clearly he showed flashes of brilliance last year.

I just worry about the inconsistency. I don't think I'm as high on him as others here are, but he's obviously talented and regardless of how talented he is, you want your coaching staff to be putting guys into positions where they can be successful. If you can't do that with your offensive scheme then I feel like you gotta get new plays or you gotta find a guy who can make your plays work.
 
WanderFranco said:
So these numbers weren't available until today?
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They’ve always been there.

The hope was that he would go the “adjust my scheme to my players route”. Instead he’s chosen to go the “My scheme or bust” route.

If he fails here, his inability to adjust to the talent will be seen by his future employer for HC consideration.

These my way or get f*cked coaches usually fail.
 
Ghandi said:
They’ve always been there.

The hope was that he would go the “adjust my scheme to my players route”. Instead he’s chosen to go the “My scheme or bust” route.

If he fails here, his inability to adjust to the talent will be seen by his future employer for HC consideration.

These my way or get f*cked coaches usually fail.
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Maybe he can team up with Mark D’Onofrio somewhere far, far away from Miami.
 
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Gi0logy said:
We went from talking **** to all rivals because they were hiring G5 coordinators / first time OCs with no playcalling experience and hyping up the fact that we had a Broyles award winner calling play.

To now calling for Gattis' head after 3 games and predicting he won't even make it the whole season.

This fanbase is wild lmao.
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I'm not calling for Gattis' head but if we don't beat the ACC teams like UNC, FSU, and VT due to poor offensive performance, I can't see Mario letting that slide.
 
DTP said:
Maybe he can team up with Mark D’Onofrio somewhere far, far away from Miami.
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I want to say let’s give him time to make changes.

But that time was in the spring when the WR’s where getting worked by the DB’s who’ve been roasted by BCC and Southern Miss.

Also, a friendly reminder to all. There is no super secret playbook. They ran ALL of the plays they’ve been running all year.
 
paksat said:
Need more information than that

did they have a true freshmen starting at qb his first year? Who were the WR's his first and second year? etc.
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His first year they brought in a big nameQB transfer, Shea Patterson. They had NFL wide receivers Donovan Peoples-Jones and Nico Collins.

They were inconsistent. Not terrible but nothing particularly great.
 
Ghandi said:
I want to say let’s give him time to make changes.

But that time was in the spring when the WR’s where getting worked by the DB’s who’ve been roasted by BCC and Southern Miss.

Also, a friendly reminder to all. There is no super secret playbook. They ran ALL of the plays they’ve been running all year.
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Agreed. I hate being ready to give up on this dude after three games but we saw this exact offense with the exact same problems in spring and he did NOTHING to fix it.
 
DTP said:
They’ve always been available but bRoYlEs AwArD, bRo!
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If those numbers have been there for anyone to see, why are people having such a reaction to them today? If the dude is so bad based on 2019, why did anyone think we would win Saturday night?
 
Ghandi said:
They’ve always been there.

The hope was that he would go the “adjust my scheme to my players route”. Instead he’s chosen to go the “My scheme or bust” route.

If he fails here, his inability to adjust to the talent will be seen by his future employer for HC consideration.

These my way or get f*cked coaches usually fail.
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So the numbers were always known, but we needed to post them today to get a reaction from the "CANEZ BAYBEE" crowd.
 
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STG said:
2019

Scoring Offense (35th at 31.7 ppg)
Yards Per Game (61st at 402.1 ypg)
Yards Per Play (58th at 5.6 ypp)
Rushing Yards Per Game (68th at 151.2 ypg)
Yards Per Rush Attempt (79th at 4.0 ypr)
Passing Yards Per Game (48th at 250.8 ypg)
Yards Per Pass Attempt (37th at 8.0 ypp)
Red Zone Scoring % (82nd at 81.36%)

2020

Scoring Offense (63rd 28.3 ppg)
Yards Per Game (77th at 381.3 ypg)
Yards Per Play (44th at 5.8 ypp)
Rushing Yards Per Game (94th at 131 ypg)
Yards Per Rush Attempt (51st at 4.6 ypr)
Passing Yards Per Game (42nd at 250.3 ypg)
Yards Per Pass Attempt (73rd at 7.1 ypp)
Red Zone Scoring % (75th at 80.95%)



2021 (Moore promoted to CO-OC)

Scoring Offense (14th at 35.8 ppg)
Yards Per Game (19th at 443.1 ypg)
Yards Per Play (17th at 6.3 ypp)
Rushing Yards Per Game (15th at 214.4 ypg)
Yards Per Rush Attempt (15th at 5.2 ypr)
Passing Yards Per Game (66th at 228.7ypg)
Yards Per Pass Attempt (35th at 8.1 ypp)
Red Zone Scoring % (21st at 89.55%)
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Not defending/criticizing jim, but remember several games were played outdoors in cold/wet/snow weather.
 
WanderFranco said:
If those numbers have been there for anyone to see, why are people having such a reaction to them today? If the dude is so bad based on 2019, why did anyone think we would win Saturday night?
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You must not have been reading this board. The whole week leading up to the game, the people with their eyes open were very unhappy with how the offense had looked against Southern Miss.

I’m on record with the opinion that if our offense resembled his offenses at Michigan, he’d flop and we’d struggle. I was told that he was going to be different here. That his Michigan offenses were bad because Harbaugh and his lack of quarterbacks. I hoped that was the case but so far it doesn’t appear like we’re doing anything different
 
Under Lashlee, we avg'd less than 3 yards per carry against anyone with a pulse. People have got to stop with the delusion that he would somehow be the fix. If he was here, we would have lost to TexAM by 30 because we'd go 3 and out in 25 seconds and have our defense on the field for 40 mins of the game.

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