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Some of them are making good points. It’s similar to FSU’s issues. It’s easy to blame recruiting. They not recruiting at the level of an elite SEC team. They’re also recruiting better than 95% of the FBS teams in the country. There’s no excuse for going 4-8 with top 15 classes. That’s just trash coaching and development. They fired Mullen because top 15 recruiting wasn’t good enough for them but at least he won games.
 
I know that @RVACane is going to appreciate what I'm about to do, since I tend to go "long" when these Gators go on their misguided rants.

But I'll make this simple. And short.

The Gator fans are FIXATED on class rankings. Fixated. And before anyone starts thinking I'm saying something that I'm not saying (this is not a pitch to sign more "diamonds in the rough"), allow me to explain.

The Gators act as if CLASS RANKING should automatically equate to "outcome". And it doesn't.

There are two primary areas where "class ranking", in and of itself, can become a worthless metric.

First, you can choose the WRONG talented players. Let's call this the "Cormani Index". I don't give a **** what Cormani's high school class ranking WAS, in the past tense. Some people thought he was skinny. Some people thought he was flaky. But he has equated to NOTHING in the way of output for the past 2 years.

So this whole "we got 5-star Cormani" brag underlying the "we've got talent" myth is incredibly laughable. Don't forget, I've already posted a few things about how LITTLE the Gators actually got out of the Portal this year. Therefore...WHO GIVES A **** what the class rankings and blue chip indexes are saying, when 5-star Cormani is unplayable.

Second, you can NOT DEVELOP these talented signees. And this, ALONG WITH CHOOSING THE WRONG TALENTED PLAYERS, is also on the coaches. I don't care if you sign the #1 class every year. If you pick all red-flag players (which is the ORIGIN of this very thread, two Gator coaches ago), and you have ****** coaches who fail to develop them, you have turned gold into lead. And lead will drag you down.

It's really quite simple. Over and over and over again, Gator fans will brag about their recruiting class rankings. Or point out how good DJ Lagway is. Hey, if you can recruit (and pay for) 105 DJ Lagways, then DO IT. JUST DO IT. But if you start reaching for talented/troubled players that nobody else will touch, and you assign them to terrible coaches for mentorship, then you might as well wipe your *** with the recruiting class rankings.

Sorry, @RVACane , I went a bit overtime on my initial promise. But it's a tight 10 minutes...
 
DTP said:
Some of them are making good points. It’s similar to FSU’s issues. It’s easy to blame recruiting. They not recruiting at the level of an elite SEC team. They’re also recruiting better than 95% of the FBS teams in the country. There’s no excuse for going 4-8 with top 15 classes. That’s just trash coaching and development. They fired Mullen because top 15 recruiting wasn’t good enough for them but at least he won games.
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The 12th best SEC team could THEORETICALLY go 4-8 every year by beating lesser OOC teams, or 5-7 by beating Vandy.

Slingblade Billy can't even manage THAT.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I know that @RVACane is going to appreciate what I'm about to do, since I tend to go "long" when these Gators go on their misguided rants.

But I'll make this simple. And short.

The Gator fans are FIXATED on class rankings. Fixated. And before anyone starts thinking I'm saying something that I'm not saying (this is not a pitch to sign more "diamonds in the rough"), allow me to explain.

The Gators act as if CLASS RANKING should automatically equate to "outcome". And it doesn't.

There are two primary areas where "class ranking", in and of itself, can become a worthless metric.

First, you can choose the WRONG talented players. Let's call this the "Cormani Index". I don't give a **** what Cormani's high school class ranking WAS, in the past tense. Some people thought he was skinny. Some people thought he was flaky. But he has equated to NOTHING in the way of output for the past 2 years.

So this whole "we got 5-star Cormani" brag underlying the "we've got talent" myth is incredibly laughable. Don't forget, I've already posted a few things about how LITTLE the Gators actually got out of the Portal this year. Therefore...WHO GIVES A **** what the class rankings and blue chip indexes are saying, when 5-star Cormani is unplayable.

Second, you can NOT DEVELOP these talented signees. And this, ALONG WITH CHOOSING THE WRONG TALENTED PLAYERS, is also on the coaches. I don't care if you sign the #1 class every year. If you pick all red-flag players (which is the ORIGIN of this very thread, two Gator coaches ago), and you have ****** coaches who fail to develop them, you have turned gold into lead. And lead will drag you down.

It's really quite simple. Over and over and over again, Gator fans will brag about their recruiting class rankings. Or point out how good DJ Lagway is. Hey, if you can recruit (and pay for) 105 DJ Lagways, then DO IT. JUST DO IT. But if you start reaching for talented/troubled players that nobody else will touch, and you assign them to terrible coaches for mentorship, then you might as well wipe your *** with the recruiting class rankings.

Sorry, @RVACane , I went a bit overtime on my initial promise. But it's a tight 10 minutes...
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It’s amazing they can’t develop the talent. I mean, nobody else is like them, being multiple on the front end and multiple on the back end. It just doesn’t make any sense
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I know that @RVACane is going to appreciate what I'm about to do, since I tend to go "long" when these Gators go on their misguided rants.

But I'll make this simple. And short.

The Gator fans are FIXATED on class rankings. Fixated. And before anyone starts thinking I'm saying something that I'm not saying (this is not a pitch to sign more "diamonds in the rough"), allow me to explain.

The Gators act as if CLASS RANKING should automatically equate to "outcome". And it doesn't.

There are two primary areas where "class ranking", in and of itself, can become a worthless metric.

First, you can choose the WRONG talented players. Let's call this the "Cormani Index". I don't give a **** what Cormani's high school class ranking WAS, in the past tense. Some people thought he was skinny. Some people thought he was flaky. But he has equated to NOTHING in the way of output for the past 2 years.

So this whole "we got 5-star Cormani" brag underlying the "we've got talent" myth is incredibly laughable. Don't forget, I've already posted a few things about how LITTLE the Gators actually got out of the Portal this year. Therefore...WHO GIVES A **** what the class rankings and blue chip indexes are saying, when 5-star Cormani is unplayable.

Second, you can NOT DEVELOP these talented signees. And this, ALONG WITH CHOOSING THE WRONG TALENTED PLAYERS, is also on the coaches. I don't care if you sign the #1 class every year. If you pick all red-flag players (which is the ORIGIN of this very thread, two Gator coaches ago), and you have ****** coaches who fail to develop them, you have turned gold into lead. And lead will drag you down.

It's really quite simple. Over and over and over again, Gator fans will brag about their recruiting class rankings. Or point out how good DJ Lagway is. Hey, if you can recruit (and pay for) 105 DJ Lagways, then DO IT. JUST DO IT. But if you start reaching for talented/troubled players that nobody else will touch, and you assign them to terrible coaches for mentorship, then you might as well wipe your *** with the recruiting class rankings.

Sorry, @RVACane , I went a bit overtime on my initial promise. But it's a tight 10 minutes...
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The Gators are obsessed with a 450 lb DT, that about sums up the depth of their roster analysis.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I know that @RVACane is going to appreciate what I'm about to do, since I tend to go "long" when these Gators go on their misguided rants.

But I'll make this simple. And short.

The Gator fans are FIXATED on class rankings. Fixated. And before anyone starts thinking I'm saying something that I'm not saying (this is not a pitch to sign more "diamonds in the rough"), allow me to explain.

The Gators act as if CLASS RANKING should automatically equate to "outcome". And it doesn't.
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I dont post much, but I read everything here. Also being a Schadenfreude kind of ash hole that I am, I frequent the forums of other teams a lot (FSU, Gators, ND, OSU, just to name a few).

I haven't encountered a single fan base that is as remotely obsessed with recruiting rankings as the Gator fans are. Its weird, and almost sad, this strange obsession. As if the Ranking itself, the magical number, was in and of itself a goal you wanted to attain. The difference between being ranked #12 and #10 to them is MONUMENTAL, because they get to say "top 10 recruiting class".

They are like children, its pathetic.
 
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DTP said:
Some of them are making good points. It’s similar to FSU’s issues. It’s easy to blame recruiting. They not recruiting at the level of an elite SEC team. They’re also recruiting better than 95% of the FBS teams in the country. There’s no excuse for going 4-8 with top 15 classes. That’s just trash coaching and development. They fired Mullen because top 15 recruiting wasn’t good enough for them but at least he won games.
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I don’t disagree but it’s funny watching that dude inflate their recruiting and cry because Saban cast doubt on their NIL 😹
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
He is the GATOR FANS' dream candidate, but that is not to say that the UF (interim) president or (doomed) AD want him.

Also, think about it another way. Outside of "more salary", the Gators can't really offer anything that is much of a change from what Lane already has at Ole ****, or an "upgrade" over what was given to the last Gator coach. The Gator gave Slingblade Billy what he "needed", better facilities, more money for assistants, more NIL money.

Outside of "oooh, but Florida is a blueblood", there is no clearly superior reason for Lane Train to jump from Ole **** to UiF.
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I'm not as convinced as some that Lane would jump at that job. I'm also not convinced it gives him that much better a shot at success, especially with this playoff format, and it's a far more irritating (I can't say that loud enough) job than Ole ****.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I know that @RVACane is going to appreciate what I'm about to do, since I tend to go "long" when these Gators go on their misguided rants.

But I'll make this simple. And short.

The Gator fans are FIXATED on class rankings. Fixated. And before anyone starts thinking I'm saying something that I'm not saying (this is not a pitch to sign more "diamonds in the rough"), allow me to explain.

The Gators act as if CLASS RANKING should automatically equate to "outcome". And it doesn't.

There are two primary areas where "class ranking", in and of itself, can become a worthless metric.

First, you can choose the WRONG talented players. Let's call this the "Cormani Index". I don't give a **** what Cormani's high school class ranking WAS, in the past tense. Some people thought he was skinny. Some people thought he was flaky. But he has equated to NOTHING in the way of output for the past 2 years.

So this whole "we got 5-star Cormani" brag underlying the "we've got talent" myth is incredibly laughable. Don't forget, I've already posted a few things about how LITTLE the Gators actually got out of the Portal this year. Therefore...WHO GIVES A **** what the class rankings and blue chip indexes are saying, when 5-star Cormani is unplayable.

Second, you can NOT DEVELOP these talented signees. And this, ALONG WITH CHOOSING THE WRONG TALENTED PLAYERS, is also on the coaches. I don't care if you sign the #1 class every year. If you pick all red-flag players (which is the ORIGIN of this very thread, two Gator coaches ago), and you have ****** coaches who fail to develop them, you have turned gold into lead. And lead will drag you down.

It's really quite simple. Over and over and over again, Gator fans will brag about their recruiting class rankings. Or point out how good DJ Lagway is. Hey, if you can recruit (and pay for) 105 DJ Lagways, then DO IT. JUST DO IT. But if you start reaching for talented/troubled players that nobody else will touch, and you assign them to terrible coaches for mentorship, then you might as well wipe your *** with the recruiting class rankings.

Sorry, @RVACane , I went a bit overtime on my initial promise. But it's a tight 10 minutes...
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They're stuck in the rut we used to be in - the class ranking would look ok, but we were getting the 4 stars that the SEC / Ohio St didn't want (for good reason) and often mis-evaluating the 3 stars.

The fact that Florida have had Lingard and / or Cormani on their roster for the last 5 years pretty much sums them up.
 
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