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G5 Representative in the College Football Playoff is the equivalent to ___

PIPO said:
G5 teams don’t play P4 opponents week in and week out.
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PIPO said:
Because it’s not based on Merit. It based on including a team in to appease the masses.
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Div I teams should have a shot. Not only P4 teams. The same biased that kept OU #8 and Bama #9 after poor showings... are exactly what you are here repeating like it's good for the sport. It's not.

You're not making an argument that has merit in it. You're name-dropping and pretending it's merit.
 
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Memnon said:
Both Tulane & JMU beat P4 teams this season.

So, basically you'd just rather the playoffs be loaded up with SEC teams.
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JMU didn’t beat a P4 team. Washington State is not currently a P4 team.

Tulane beat Duke. Regardless, they don’t play P4 teams repeatedly.

ND should be in the playoff.

I already said to cap the playoff to 4 teams per conference.

For the sake of this year, yes, ND and Vandy for starters should be in the playoff instead of JMU and Tulane.
 
RomeoJunior said:
Div I teams should have a shot. Not only P4 teams. The same biased that kept OU #8 and Bama #9 after poor showings... are exactly what you are here repeating like it's good for the sport. It's not.

You're not making an argument that has merit in it. You're name-dropping and pretending it's merit.
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I already stated based on the current teams that were fighting that Bama and Oklahoma shouldn’t be in but if you are telling me between JMU/Tulane if I would take Oklahoma or Bama over them, I 100% would because they are better teams vs those 2 teams.

You can easily leave out Bama and Oklahoma and out in ND and Vandy over Tulane and JMU because they are better!!!!!
 
PIPO said:
JMU didn’t beat a P4 team. Washington State is not currently a P4 team.

Tulane beat Duke. Regardless, they don’t play P4 teams repeatedly.

ND should be in the playoff.

I already said to cap the playoff to 4 teams per conference.

For the sake of this year, yes, ND and Vandy for starters should be in the playoff instead of JMU and Tulane.
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No they shouldn’t.

Notre Dame doesn't have a playoff resume & they're not one of the 12 best teams in the country.

Neither is Vandy.

Both Notre Dame and Vandy had their chance to make the playoffs in the regular season, they both lost games they shouldn’t have & therefore do not deserve a spot in the playoffs.

Everybody has the same 12 games to put their resume forward at the end of the season, it's not the G5's fault that their's is better than a bunch of fringe P4 teams with multiple losses.

The playoffs are about determining the best team in the Nation, not the best SEC teams in the Nation.

They already have a tournament for that, it's called the regular season & SEC championship game.

SEC propaganda has done a number on people when you think a bunch of teams that didn't win their conference & loss multiple times throughout the season still deserve a shot.

Tulane & JMU 1,000,000% deserve to be in the playoffs. Just as much as Miami, Ole Miss, Bama & Oklahoma.
 
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PIPO said:
I already stated based on the current teams that were fighting that Bama and Oklahoma shouldn’t be in but if you are telling me between JMU/Tulane if I would take Oklahoma or Bama over them, I 100% would because they are better teams vs those 2 teams.

You can easily leave out Bama and Oklahoma and out in ND and Vandy over Tulane and JMU because they are better!!!!!
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Better based on what?
 
PIPO said:
It’s a hard fact. College football having some G5 team be part of this playoff and taking an automatic spot is ludicrous.

UCF and Cincinnati had a good run a few years ago but using them as “We must include a G5 team” is the college football equivalent of DEI.

Only a real solid, undefeated G5 team that has a solid resume should only be considered on that merit for the playoff.

P4 teams shouldn’t be losing a spot to a G5 unless they are some kind of special team that EARNS it on the field. Not just award a spot to include them.
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I totally agree. If they do expand to 16 teams, Make them a play-in team similar to how March Madness does it.
 
Memnon said:
No they shouldn’t.

Notre Dame doesn't not have a playoff resume & they're not one of the 12 best teams in the country.

Neither is Vandy.

Both Notre Dame and Vandy had their chance to make the playoffs in the regular season, they both lost games they shouldn’t have & therefore do not deserve a spot in the playoffs.

Everybody has the same 12 games to put their resume forward at the end of the season, it's not the G5's fault that their's is better than a bunch of fringe P4 teams with multiple losses.

The playoffs are about determining the best team in the Nation, not the best SEC teams in the Nation.

They already have a tournament for that, it's called the regular season & SEC championship game.

SEC propaganda has done a number on people when you think a bunch of teams that didn't win their conference & loss multiple times throughout the season still deserve a shot.

Tulane & JMU 1,000,000% deserve to be in the playoffs. Just as much as Miami, Ole Miss, Bama & Oklahoma.
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You must be out of your goddamed mind if you think JMU and ******* Tulane are better than ND, Texas and Vandy.

JMU and Tulane only get in the playoffs because they are forced to INCLUDE THEM IN THE PLAYOFF, which is the only reason they are playing.

If Miami didn’t get in, you are telling me that JMU and Tulane are better than Miami?

It’s the true definition of DEI that they are INCLUDED because ND and Vandy and Miami for staters are better.

We will just agree to disagree.
 
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PIPO said:
Let’s take a poll:

If you didn’t have to INCLUDE a G5 team, are Miami, ND, Vandy and Texas better than JMU and Tulane?

Yes or No!

Thumbs up for ND, Miami, Vandy, Texas

Thumbs down for JMU and Tulane being better.
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lol. you're not understanding. it doesn't matter how people on Canes board votes... nor does it matter who we "Think" is better than who.

It's the inherent bias that you would like the sport to be dominated by .... where only conferences with alot of money should have teams that are considerably legit to at least have a shot.

Stuff like this is not only not good for Miami when teams like Bama get destroyed on the field and don't slide down a spot... but it's bad for the sport in general.

Being biased before any football is played and being right about who's better are not mutually exclusive events.
 
RomeoJunior said:
lol. you're not understanding. it doesn't matter how people on Canes board votes... nor does it matter who we "Think" is better than who.

It's the inherent bias that you would like the sport to be dominated by .... where only conferences with alot of money should have teams that are considerably legit to at least have a shot.

Stuff like this is not only not good for Miami when teams like Bama get destroyed on the field and don't slide down a spot... but it's bad for the sport in general.

Being biased before any football is played and being right about who's better are not mutually exclusive events.
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So you are happy with the current playoff system?

What is so bad about making a G5 team that has no where near the players to compete in a college playoff?

Throwing them in for a participation trophy to make them feel better is not a solution.

I proposed 4 teams max per conference so that making the top 4 and the conference championship still matters and so idle teams don’t benefit and I proposed a play in game for the G5 teams.

If you want to do a G5 playoff of 4 teams or just the best 2 G5 teams play for the play in spot, then I think that is a good solution.

That G5 champion then has to play the last in power 4 team in a play in game for the big playoff.

Just letting them in because it’s the right thing and the greater good is not the answer.


You made your post because you know in your heart that those two G5 teams are not a better representative in the playoff than Miami, Notre Dame or Vandy for starters.

It’s 💯 mutually exclusive.
 
A couple ranked teams that have great seasons with 1 loss deserve their shot at this thing over 3 loss teams.

Expansion of the playoff can take care of this. Making an argument for Texas getting in is SEC propaganda that is borderline insane.
 
It’s silly having P5 schools - one let alone two. But before everyone rants & raves, please understand the agreement reached to give them the slots. Stop the moaning & look into or understand the why.
 
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There has to be a mechanism for smaller schools to have an opportunity. You can’t say rankings and we all know why. I wish we can outlaw rankings as it is.

It’s the mindset that we as consumers are somehow entitled to premier name brand matchups that allows this espn driven bias towards the SEC to persist. Anything that chips away at that is good in my eyes.
 
Objectivefan79 said:
There has to be a mechanism for smaller schools to have an opportunity. You can’t say rankings and we all know why. I wish we can outlaw rankings as it is.

It’s the mindset that we as consumers are somehow entitled to premier name brand matchups that allows this espn driven bias towards the SEC to persist. Anything that chips away at that is good in my eyes.
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Start on HR/Minute 1:07.

Josh Pate articulates it better than I have:

@Memnon @RomeoJunior @Disgustipated @cway313

 
Objectivefan79 said:
There has to be a mechanism for smaller schools to have an opportunity. You can’t say rankings and we all know why. I wish we can outlaw rankings as it is.

It’s the mindset that we as consumers are somehow entitled to premier name brand matchups that allows this espn driven bias towards the SEC to persist. Anything that chips away at that is good in my eyes.
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With the SEC going to less OOC games, I dont think he understands what he's really asking for, and the ramifications down the road for teams like us that are not in the B1G or SEC.

As of today, we aren't in 1 of the 2 power conferences, which sets up alot of griping about SOS and "who we played" should we ever have the same number of losses as these teams.

If you even math, you can see that these 2 conferences systematically set up as super conferences right now to hammer teams for a few games outside of the conferences and take all the SOS value home to themselves to feast on.

It can't just be that. There has to be some kind of way that others get to compete with a dream to make the playoffs as well, without the bullies taking all the spots and deciding everything.

If you take that away, you eventually take the whole sport away. Cause then what are they competing all year for?

5 automatic qualifiers is a good thing as things stand now. 16 (or more) slots instead of 12 gets Vandy and Notre Dame into the lot. I dont think Texas deserves a spot, but that's the price you pay for making sure everyone deserving gets in.

Then we can stop crying about JMU and Tulane and legitimately say lower-level conference teams had their shot as well.
 
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