G5 Representative in the College Football Playoff is the equivalent to ___

[cway313]

Start on HR/Minute 1:07.

Josh Pate articulates it better than I have:

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[E1k]

Every year when i see debates about which 10 win p4 team should get in i think of the g5 teams getting an auto bid lmao


We over here debating about if the sec is way better than other conferences, comparing who has better wins between p4 teams, weighing which losses are worse…Meanwhile jmu and tulane in lmfao bro get them the **** out of here and get the best 12 in

 

[786Cane]

Let’s take a poll:

If you didn’t have to INCLUDE a G5 team, are Miami, ND, Vandy and Texas better than JMU and Tulane?

Yes or No!

Thumbs up for ND, Miami, Vandy, Texas

Thumbs down for JMU and Tulane being better.

I would swap BYU for Texas: but yes!

 

[Schuylkill County Cane]

Oregon getting JMU is no different than Ohio ST getting Tennessee last year, the results will be the same. That has more to do with seeding, than how deserving they are or aren't.

Plus Oregon has played down to their competition all year.

- They almost lost to Penn ST (the week AFTER James Franklin got fired)
- They almost lost to Iowa; 18-16
- They played Wisconsin, USC & Washington close until pulling away late in both games

The only teams they dominated were the bottom of the barrel B1G teams.

Why should some 3 loss SEC team get an automatic bid over a 1 loss conference champion?

Is the point of the playoff to give the 12 best teams a chance at the National title, or just a select few schools a chance to play 8 SEC teams?

Is this the College Football Playoff, or the SEC Invitational?

James Franklin absolutely coached that double OT loss to Oregon this year. I vividly remember rubbing my PSU friends’ nose in it cus it was another highly ranked game he **** the bed in. He was fired 2 weeks later.

 

[DTP]

Automatic births for G5 teams is 100% a joke. I don’t care if you went 11-1 against a bunch of teams ranked outside the top 75.

There’s already too many playoff teams as it is so expanding it further just waters down the product. They’re not going to cut the number back so the best way to handle it would be to only include a G5 team if they’re actually ranked in the CFP top 12. That way an undefeated G5 team like UCF would get their shot.

There isn’t one deserving G5 team this year, let alone 2. The ONLY P5 playoff team that I think could lose to a G5 champion is Oklahoma and that’s because they have absolutely no offense. I would still take the Sooners in any even money bet though. We see G5 “power” teams get manhandled by good P4 teams all season long. Why would they all of the sudden stand a chance come playoff time? For a majority of the season USF was the G5 favorite. Their game against Miami wasn’t competitive. It was an absolute laugher blowout. Yeah sure they beat a trash P4 Gators team but the gators aren’t in the playoffs.

I hate to say it but Notre Dame would absolutely roll both G5 teams by 30+. I friggin hate Notre Dame but they’re way better than James Madison and Tulane.

 

[bandhammer]

**** that.

College football is way different now.

There isn’t much separating the 12 team from the top 4 teams. A few bounces here and there or bad officials calls separates the teams with the transfer portal, NIL, etc.

There is no Cinderella run. It’s an *** kicking and an easy game for whomever plays them. Look at Boise State last year.

Except no one is playing anyone now. The schedules are more unbalanced than ever.

 

[PIPO]

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[cway313]

G5-CWAY

Yall are ignoring the fact that p4 got embarrassed last year. Teams 9-12 are supposed to get mollywopped. They aren't real contenders. The only difference this year is Miami should have been 7 or 8 instead of 10.

 

[PIPO]

Yall are ignoring the fact that p4 got embarrassed last year. Teams 9-12 are supposed to get mollywopped. They aren't real contenders. The only difference this year is Miami should have been 7 or 8 instead of 10.

By other P4 teams. Not by G5 teams.

If your argument is that there are approximately 4-6 teams that could actually win the Championship, I wouldn’t disagree or argue against that.

Which is why I am not for expanding the field any further to 16 or whatever it is that the Big 10 is proposing.

It waters down the product, so you have the bottom tier P4 teams getting waxed last year and you want to allow for G5’s to get in automatically?

Wait until you see what happens to both of those teams in round 1 this year.

 

[cway313]

By other P4 teams. Not by G5 teams.

If your argument is that there are approximately 4-6 teams that could actually win the Championship, I wouldn’t disagree or argue against that.

Which is why I am not for expanding the field any further to 16 or whatever it is that the Big 10 is proposing.

It waters down the product, so you have the bottom tier P4 teams getting waxed last year and you want to allow for G5’s to get in automatically?

Wait until you see what happens to both of those teams in round 1 this year.

A blowout is a blowout. If the name on the jersey matters to you then you are as bad as the SEC propagandists. Tennessee isn't more deserving of getting blown out than JMU or Tulane.

 

[LMCane]

DEI - It’s a hard fact!!

College football having some G5 team be part of this playoff and taking an automatic spot is ludicrous.

UCF and Cincinnati had a good run a few years ago but using them as “We must include a G5 team” is the college football equivalent of DEI.

Only a real solid, undefeated G5 team that has a solid resume should only be considered on that merit for the playoff.

P4 teams shouldn’t be losing a spot to a G5 unless they are some kind of special team that EARNS it on the field. Not just award a spot to include them.

it's not Diversity Inclusion

it's AFFIRMATIVE ACTION where you give an unfair promotion to someone just because of an immutable trait like skin color.

 

[PIPO]

A blowout is a blowout. If the name on the jersey matters to you then you are as bad as the SEC propagandists. Tennessee isn't more deserving of getting blown out than JMU or Tulane.

Ok! My argument is that G5 teams aren’t playing the same sport as the P4 teams.

Your argument seems to be, “I don’t care. Just include G5 teams just because they need to be included because they just need to be. Just let them in so that they have something to feel good about.”

You aren’t being rational here so we will just agree to disagree.

 

[cway313]

Ok! My argument is that G5 teams aren’t playing the same sport as the P4 teams.

Your argument seems to be, “I don’t care. Just include G5 teams just because they need to be included because they just need to be. Just let them in so that they have something to feel good about.”

You aren’t being rationale here so we will just agree to disagree.

My perspective is teams 10-12 don't matter. Idc if it's Texas or Southern Miss.

 

[bacane]

Automatic births for G5 teams is 100% a joke. I don’t care if you went 11-1 against a bunch of teams ranked outside the top 75.

There’s already too many playoff teams as it is so expanding it further just waters down the product. They’re not going to cut the number back so the best way to handle it would be to only include a G5 team if they’re actually ranked in the CFP top 12. That way an undefeated G5 team like UCF would get their shot.

There isn’t one deserving G5 team this year, let alone 2. The ONLY P5 playoff team that I think could lose to a G5 champion is Oklahoma and that’s because they have absolutely no offense. I would still take the Sooners in any even money bet though. We see G5 “power” teams get manhandled by good P4 teams all season long. Why would they all of the sudden stand a chance come playoff time? For a majority of the season USF was the G5 favorite. Their game against Miami wasn’t competitive. It was an absolute laugher blowout. Yeah sure they beat a trash P4 Gators team but the gators aren’t in the playoffs.

I hate to say it but Notre Dame would absolutely roll both G5 teams by 30+. I friggin hate Notre Dame but they’re way better than James Madison and Tulane.

Unfortunately, if G5 didn’t have an automatic bid we wouldn’t have the playoff system. Entry was bone thrown them to prevent threatened antitrust suit that would have potentially ended playoff plan.

 

[PIPO]

Unfortunately, if G5 didn’t have an automatic bid we wouldn’t have the playoff system. Entry was bone thrown them to prevent threatened antitrust suit that would have potentially ended playoff plan.

I think you can circumvent that by having a play-in game and calling it a playoff.

Is that what Notre Dame is doing with the agreement to get a guaranteed automatic spot if ranked in the top 12 starting next year?

It’s so ridiculous when you get these lawyers involved especially because they are an independent. If enough people say **** You to Notre Dame, eventually they will have to join a conference.

They are lucky that ACC allows them to be a member so that they can have their other sports participate. Otherwise, they would be forced to join a conference.

 

[Zombie-Cane]

No they shouldn’t.

Notre Dame doesn't have a playoff resume & they're not one of the 12 best teams in the country.

Neither is Vandy.

Both Notre Dame and Vandy had their chance to make the playoffs in the regular season, they both lost games they shouldn’t have & therefore do not deserve a spot in the playoffs.

Everybody has the same 12 games to put their resume forward at the end of the season, it's not the G5's fault that their's is better than a bunch of fringe P4 teams with multiple losses.

The playoffs are about determining the best team in the Nation, not the best SEC teams in the Nation.

They already have a tournament for that, it's called the regular season & SEC championship game.

SEC propaganda has done a number on people when you think a bunch of teams that didn't win their conference & loss multiple times throughout the season still deserve a shot.

Tulane & JMU 1,000,000% deserve to be in the playoffs. Just as much as Miami, Ole Miss, Bama & Oklahoma.

Tulane played two P4 teams this year, they beat Duke by 7, Duke, and got throttled by Ole Miss by 35, and the game wasn't even THAT close. JMU played one P4 team, Louisville, and lost by 14. I am not sure they deserve to be in. Both will get pounded. I hate ND and Vandy, but both are far more deserving of spots.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I don't mind having a G5 team in. But they gotta figure out a way to make sure they're really legit teams.

Something like, you have to be ranked in the Top 18, or Top 20 to make it. And only one. If there are no G5's ranked in the Top 18, then it's just the Top 12 go to the playoff. So you don't have to get all the way into the Top 12, since it's so hard for those teams to climb.

Under no circumstances should two G5 teams be in this, especially when they're ranked in the 20's.

 

[DTP]

I don't mind having a G5 team in. But they gotta figure out a way to make sure they're really legit teams.

Something like, you have to be ranked in the Top 18, or Top 20 to make it. And only one. If there are no G5's ranked in the Top 18, then it's just the Top 12 go to the playoff. So you don't have to get all the way into the Top 12, since it's so hard for those teams to climb.

Under no circumstances should two G5 teams be in this, especially when they're ranked in the 20's.

The two G5 teams this year are solely a result of the “5 highest rated conference champions” rule. Which makes sense until the ACC has. 5 loss conference champion. I think there’s going to be some criteria changes next year. The whole conference champ auto bid is crappy too when you consider the strange criteria and tie breakers conferences use to determine who plays for their championship.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

The two G5 teams this year are solely a result of the “5 highest rated conference champions” rule. Which makes sense until the ACC has. 5 loss conference champion. I think there’s going to be some criteria changes next year. The whole conference champ auto bid is crappy too when you consider the strange criteria and tie breakers conferences use to determine who plays for their championship.

I understand how we got here. We need to figure out a way to never visit this neighborhood again.

They can just change this **** as they do. They did last year to this year with the seeding.

Make it "5 highest conference champions that are ranked in the Top 20". Done.

Had they done that this year, ND would be in at 11 and Tulane (ranked 20th) would be in at 12.

 

[PIPO]

I understand how we got here. We need to figure out a way to never visit this neighborhood again.

They can just change this **** as they do. They did last year to this year with the seeding.

Make it "5 highest conference champions that are ranked in the Top 20". Done.

Had they done that this year, ND would be in at 11 and Tulane (ranked 20th) would be in at 12.

We have ******* UCF and their fake championship banners and rings and trophies to blame for this!!!

On a serious note, that team in today’s format deserves a spot and opportunity but the reality is that those types of G5 teams are the exceptions and shouldn’t be the rule just for any G5 teams