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[U Know]

**** club DJ's needed to clown these fools after going 6-7, yet they are popping bottles. Should've roasted them until they left, LoL. Reed needs to have a sit down with these club owners, LoL.

 

[Canes Stan]

Kimmy Granger, I'll give you a little clue why Moss and Wayne weren’t posting on social media while here. And both of those guys had run ins with issues while here.

 

[The Franchise]

So you're basically saying this just because they get paid a lot? What a dumb argument. Failure is on the individual and nothing more. You're part of the problem Ed is referring too. Always placing blame elsewhere instead of looking in the mirror

Did the players with the issues sign themselves?

 

[AllAboutDaU]

all I know is Worsham and Restrepo look like divas. Yes, they work out at the IPF after hours, but it’s more of the “hey, look at me” videos.

gotta call it out. Moss didn’t do it. Johnson didn’t do it. Wayne didn’t do it.

these guys are not cut from the same cloth. Hopefully 20ER can whip them into being testosterone pumping Tyrannosaurus rex’s god dangit!

Or maybe its because there was no instagram and twitter back then. When a player doesn't post any videos of him working out, he gets called lazy. And when a player post videos of him working out he gets called a diva. Out of all the problems we have in this program, a kid showing the world that hes putting in the work is the least of them.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Need to be careful about rewriting history here to make a point more valid.

Irvin, Lamar Thomas and a ton of those 80s and Early 90s dudes were treated and partied like rock stars. Anyone my age saw them all the time.

They were doing exactly the same thing the current guys do. They preened, showed off and were prima Donnas

The major difference is they had that dog in them when it was time to work and compete. They also had a hungry beast behind them trying to take their job. We haven’t had that in a long, long time.

Job insecurity weeds out the wannabes.

 

[Gables Canes]

Gilbert Frierson is partying on yachts and clubs all the time per his IG. I see this stuff all over social media. Look, it's one thing to have fun, all college kids need to. But I think fun trumps their winning efforts.

 

[JAYBLAZE]

 

[The Franchise]

The 2001 team wanted Coker to be the coach because they handled themselves so well, they just needed someone to not **** it up. Those guys didn’t need baby sitters. But the culture of player accountability left the program after those guys graduated and grandpa clappy couldn’t hold the reins on the next generation of players. It’s up to a staff to create a culture of accountability but it’s up to the players to maintain it. Coaches are limited in the amount of time they can be around the players. They can’t hold their hands 24 hours a day.

Booch David said repeatedly that his number one priority was great football character. That’s why he was able to eventually assemble the roster he did here. He made football character a priority.

It’s also why after he left that things went downhill on that front. ****er got enamored with the star rankings and started replacing guys like Wayne with Ryan Moore and Dorsey with Kyle Wright and the list goes on.

 

[Dwinstitles]

On what needs to change culturally

“It is not a complicated thing,” Reed said. “These kids just have to humble themselves. These kids are doing things—and I know it because I have been places and seen them in places they shouldn’t be—and I tell them go home and they are smiling and laughing and hanging out with their family members or people they grew up with who are telling them that they are [really good] and that is the problem. The problem is the people they are surrounding themselves with are people who are giving them that glory when they haven’t done anything. It is one thing to treat a kid to some food, but to have them in the club and buying bottles? C’mon man. That is not what it is about. It is about being with your teammates and having that accountability. I am not telling you to not have fun because we did have a lot of fun—but we did it together.”

When asked about the tipping point of when the culture went down

“I can be very specific and say it was the 7th Floor Crew stuff,” Reed said. “That was tragic for the university. These kids took what we were doing and took it to a whole other level and blew the school up with that nonsense. Granted, they were kids, but somebody has to hone in and be mature about it.”

a lot of y’all want to harp on coaching coaching coaching.,which is apart of it..but structure and player accountability are more important. He also hit on recruiting at a high level not just instate but finding the National talent.

Dudes right

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Did the players with the issues sign themselves?

I understand the argument that we recruited them. Absolutely i do and it's a very valid point. However i would also add that kids change once they get into a program. However when a kid signs i'm sure there is an expectation that player will give it his all and work towards the common goal of the team. That doesn't seem to be happening once kids get into our program.

Maybe you're right that we need to recruit better leaders and people who are willing to make the sacrifices required to be great. I don't know what the answer is to be honest. However i do know it's not an all or nothing deal with regards to whose at fault, players or coaches, and the players with people in their circle telling them they're great and it's the coaches fault don't do the kids any favors. But again that is just my opinion and one that ER20 happens to share.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Booch David said repeatedly that his number one priority was great football character. That’s why he was able to eventually assemble the roster he did here. He made football character a priority.

It’s also why after he left that things went downhill on that front. ****er got enamored with the star rankings and started replacing guys like Wayne with Ryan Moore and Dorsey with Kyle Wright and the list goes on.

We're sorely lacking in football character these days

 

[The Franchise]

I have one answer for you: Fear

That's what keeps them in line.

Fear of losing their playing time to a kid that wants it more....
Fear of losing their scholarship to a better recruit ….
Fear of the wrath of their teammates ....
Fear of the discipline from disappointing you coaches ...
Fear of losing opportunity ….

How different it would be if that fear permeated the locker room as it did back in the days when the program was elite.

There was Michael Irvin jumping out of bed at 5:30 a.m. to head down to Greentree to run routes because "I was afraid Brett Perriman was going to take my job"

There was Russell Maryland sleeping in front of the fridge to keep Corte Kennedy from eating in the middle of the night because " coach told me it was my job to help him get in shape and he was looking at me and me only"

There was Jimmy Johnson in front of the team and saying, "we have some guys not pulling their weight right now, and I'm going to need your scholarships for new guys next February"

There was Joaquin Gonzalez, Bryant McKinnie, and Jeremy Shockey putting the fear of god in into Vernon Carey threatening to beat the crap out of him because "the motherfu*ker was wasting his talent being a lazy, crying bi*ch"

Yes, I agree with you 'Chise. It's up to the coaches, and it's on them to get the right guys who want to be great. But why the 'Canes of old didn't have the problems we do now? It's because our current coaches haven't created the horizontal and vertical fear that makes the kids scared as **** NOT to be as great as they can be.

make sense?

We’re on the same page. It all ultimately falls on the HC in charge of everything. You ain’t making that dough to sit back and hope for the best and invent a few hashtags and empty slogans and spew toothless rhetoric about “the standard.”

You can’t yap about “the standard” then trot Suitcase out there every week when he’s constantly fcking up and threatening to quit or keep playing or bringing back other quitters and clowns.

 

[fraggle]

I mainly remeber the number 1 ranked nole doing a rap song beofre the seasons opening game where we SHUT THEM OUT! Seminole rap became the SEMINOLE BLUES!

 

[The Franchise]

I understand the argument that we recruited them. Absolutely i do and it's a very valid point. However i would also add that kids change once they get into a program. However when a kid signs i'm sure there is an expectation that player will give it his all and work towards the common goal of the team. That doesn't seem to be happening once kids get into our program.

Maybe you're right that we need to recruit better leaders and people who are willing to make the sacrifices required to be great. I don't know what the answer is to be honest. However i do know it's not an all or nothing deal with regards to whose at fault, players or coaches, and the players with people in their circle telling them they're great and it's the coaches fault don't do the kids any favors. But again that is just my opinion and one that ER20 happens to share.

It doesn’t happen because our leadership has been garbage. For whatever reasons, we’ve had a horrible string of horseshyt leaders for HCs.

 

[305to954]

Why doesn’t Clemson and Baga and Ohio Taint and the other perennial top teams have all these problems infecting their roster every year?

Stop being such a dopey stooge of a mark. If you’re signing the wrong guys it’s on you. If you’re signing the right guys and not leading them strongly it’s also on you. That’s why you’re making $4M per. It’s not a sit back and hope for the best gig at $4M per; it’s a results game.

Because their players are focused on one thing and aren’t in a city full of distractions to get u off track. No coach is or can micro management their roster in the offseason..I’ve had this belief and numerous greats have pointed to player accountability being the main issue..u can ignor that if u want and ignore what Ed Reed has to say to continue to believe what u want..have at it

 

[CashMoneyCane]

Very true story. I lived on Mahoney 7 (long side) in the 02-03 academic year when this went down. Can't remember everyone that was in that suite (because none of them amounted to anything -- shock), but remember one was Tavares Gooden.

I was staying for academic summer and was among the last to move out of the dorms. As I was moving my stuff out, I noticed something on the floor, right outside that suite. As I passed, it became clear what I was walking by, on the floor, in the hallway, was a big, dirty double *****.

Can never hear about the 7th Floor Crew without that image being burned in my mind.

 

[U Wouldn’t Understand]

Because their players are focused on one thing and aren’t in a city full of distractions to get u off track. No coach is or can micro management their roster in the offseason..I’ve had this belief and numerous greats have pointed to player accountability being the main issue..u can ignor that if u want and ignore what Ed Reed has to say to continue to believe what u want..have at it

I understand your point, but distractions are everywhere. Sure, Miami is a target-rich environment, but in reality, there are plenty of opportunities to be led astray even in ****sville USA. Players need to be accountable to each other and have a level of commitment to the team. Do it together as ER says; controlled chaos.

 

[ThomasM]

Booch David said repeatedly that his number one priority was great football character. That’s why he was able to eventually assemble the roster he did here. He made football character a priority.

It’s also why after he left that things went downhill on that front. ****er got enamored with the star rankings and started replacing guys like Wayne with Ryan Moore and Dorsey with Kyle Wright and the list goes on.

Coker also seemed to sign stars over positions of need. What a disaster.

 

[U Wouldn’t Understand]

I wonder what players ER was seeing out at the clubs because, last I read, all of our players were playing video games all night long. Or was that just the players dreaming of Gainseville?

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Corey Flagg came from a winning program in HS, said all the right things in he recruitment, never waivered, produced at the highest level in Texas HS

yet

Posters on here say he sucks, is terrible, etc

The Flaggs of thefootball world are players you need on a team