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[TruCane81]

Because their players are focused on one thing and aren’t in a city full of distractions to get u off track. No coach is or can micro management their roster in the offseason..I’ve had this belief and numerous greats have pointed to player accountability being the main issue..u can ignor that if u want and ignore what Ed Reed has to say to continue to believe what u want..have at it

Huh?

No distraction on a state University campus with 40,000 students? A never ending flow of party, booze, and hot girl p’ussy for a young man to indulge in ? With boosters giving out free sports car rides and $500 handashakes?

People act like the top teams ain’t chasing girls and smoking copious amounts of weed. All in an effort to protect over paid perpetrators who can’t coach their way out of a wet paper bag.

We all laughed about all the drama that Florida had last off season. They ignored all that mess and finished in the top 10.

That’s what having a real head coach does for the team. He gets the best effort and preparation from his guys and they overcome adversity and distractions.

We got a little bit of that Richt’s first two seasons and played our best ball in 20 years. But he burned completely up and it fell apart and we replaced with a guy who was completely unqualified.

Coaching isn’t everything. It’s the ONLY THING and we have had very little of it the most of the last 20 years.

 

[Rellyrell]

That structure and culture and all that stuff is the coaches’ responsibility. That’s why we harp on coaches so much.

At the end of the day, it’s the HC’s program. He sets the tone. He decides which players come here and which coaches lead them.

If you’re signing the wrong guys it is on you. If you’re letting **** slide it’s on you. It’s a results business. The successful coaches aren’t always crying about culture. They’re signing high character guys and leading them.

This x 100000!

If u see a child running amuck down aisle 7 of a grocery store and the parent is just there allowing it, who’s fault is that?

Coker was a glorified baby sitter

-Shannon didn’t know wtf he was doing & tried to do things like take players name off the back to show the team was greater than
the individual, but he was way in over his head w no help.

-Golden’s fault was loyalty to his friend over the program & that team

-Richt was coasting; chit bad call after bad call against us, and dude was content. Lol. He was more interested in his back flip dive.

-Manny, TBD, but he created the antics himself.

Like I said, we need that healthy fear back in this program. Last 4 regimes didn’t bring it. Too much player coaches.

Just listened to Quinnen Williams on the radio on SB Row, and he said he chose Bama b/c when he went to a Bama/Auburn game as a sophomore in high school, he saw Nick Saban get up in his players @$$es (shut up @nystateofmind lol) and they responded. He went to practices and Nick made guys do things over & over & over & over til they got it right, not just the 1st unit, but all the units. He said he needed that in his life, that discipline, that drive to make u and ur teammate great, regardless if u start or on the bench and it prepared him for the next level.

THAT used to be us!

 

[Rellyrell]

Huh?

No distraction on a state University campus with 40,000 students? A never ending flow of party, booze, and hot girl p’ussy for a young man to indulge in ? With boosters giving out free sports car rides and $500 handashakes?

People act like the top teams ain’t chasing girls and smoking copious amounts of weed. All in an effort to protect over paid perpetrators who can’t coach their way out of a wet paper bag.

We all laughed about all the drama that Florida had last off season. They ignored all that mess and finished in the top 10.

That’s what having a real head coach does for the team. He gets the best effort and preparation from his guys and they overcome adversity and distractions.

We got a little bit of that Richt’s first two seasons and played our best ball in 20 years. But he burned completely up and it fell apart and we replaced with a guy who was completely unqualified.

Coaching isn’t everything. It’s the ONLY THING and we have had very little of it the most of the last 20 years.

BOOM!!!

 

[nystateofmind]

Nick Saban gets up in his players asses

I love it when he does that.

 

[Ethnicsands]

The coach is responsible for what the kids decide to do in their spare time? After a coach, strength coach has whatever structure in place, and our players are given the avenues in place for these players to get better..but they decide not to take advantage, that’s on the coach?

Yes, the coach is responsible for the whole program. If you want to contend that he doesn’t ‘control’ every decision and sometimes kids made bad decisioms, okay, whatever. But big picture, when you pick recruits, then oversee a lax culture, you own what ensures. Absolutely.

 

[JD08]

It's like everything else in life, people who produce get leeway. You want to go out and party hard? Give 110% at every practice, get good grades, and kick *** in games. Winners get ice cream.

 

[k9cane]

That structure and culture and all that stuff is the coaches’ responsibility. That’s why we harp on coaches so much.

At the end of the day, it’s the HC’s program. He sets the tone. He decides which players come here and which coaches lead them.

If you’re signing the wrong guys it is on you. If you’re letting **** slide it’s on you. It’s a results business. The successful coaches aren’t always crying about culture. They’re signing high character guys and leading them.

the genie started coming out of the bottle with Coker as guys like Reed left the program(very similar to after Jimmy Johnson's last classes left UM and Erickson lost control) and they've never fully regained control of this thing

Bottom line is that we need players that care more about their current Saturdays while at UM, than their future days on Sundays. I never really like that whole 'NFL U' thing that started around 2004-2005. No great college program can be just an internship for the next level

 

[k9cane]

correct, and what he's describing is generational, it's not unique to UM, we've just done one of the worst jobs in all of college football of managing it.

Yes, it will be harder in the city Miami, but that's also nothing new either (hello 1980s), we've just failed as an AD to put the type of leadership in place that can manage this. It started the minute we panicked and hired Coker when literally every college football coach (and probably NFL) in the country would have taken this job.

I honestly never understood why our fan base was so against a Barry Alvarez coming in, guy was a far superior head of a college program than Coker...

 

[k9cane]

I wish just ONE former player that walked into the AD's office and demanded Coker to be hired would man up and say they made a huge mistake. Just one.

this here, I truly believe one national title was sacrificed for what could have been a real sustained run

 

[k9cane]

Coker also seemed to sign stars over positions of need. What a disaster.

Coker was just inept, overall

 

[k9cane]

Had the players had a say in 1984, do you think we hire Jimmy Johnson? My bet is on **** no.

You do what is best for the program, not what is best for a handful of players for a very short amount of time.

I wonder if most of our guys even knew where Oklahoma St was (btw, it's Stillwater)

 

[TruCane81]

Mark Richt coached at Georgia a long time with never a mention of “bad culture” but he comes to Miami and half the kids he recruited are part of the problem. It’s more than just a head coach laying down rules.

It worked until Richt burned out.

Give us 2008 Richt and we would have a strong program and no “culture” issues.

The major complaint would be the same as Georgia. Losing big games and inexplicable losses with high rankings and expectations.

You’re right though. It isn’t about laying down a bunch of rules. It’s about having the internal confidence and fortitude to command respect and enforce those rules. It’s about being congruent in thought word and deed.

Human dominance hierarchies are established primarily through non verbal communication. You can tell by someone’s posture, eye contact, mannerism, head position, tonality, and other cues if they are someone worth respecting, following, or fearing.

Pay close attention to the mannerisms of our failed coaches under adversity and then watch championship coaches.

You will start to see why we have been bad for so long.

 

[TheEye]

His best wasn’t good enough.

Yeah, no kidding. That’s why I get pessimistic when I hear coaches say they need to address the culture. Saying there is a problem and being able to solve it are two very different things.

 

[TheEye]

THIS.

In today's world, good high school players are stars before they even make it to college. They are worshipped and fawned over before they even play one snap of college football. And with social media, handlers, recruiters and other leeches making them believe they are entitled to fame and glory at 18, they think they've already arrived. So then they waltz on campus expecting the world to be given to them only to find out quickly that &hit is hard. Very hard.

Then add in the portal which allows them to just cut bait and jump to another school, it only enables that entitled victimization narrative.

Just like Dabo did with Etienne this year, you've got to have a strong HC to get in these kids' asses and unravel that I'm A Star mindset and remind them they haven't done &hit yet.

Manny has made some outstanding off season moves, but until he demands discipline, hard work and excellence from his players he won't be the HC much longer.

But but but he did! He made the team run the steps in HRS playing footage of the Duke loss! It made them so much more disciplined that...they lost again to Duke!

 

[CaneDog66]

Diaz is a culture problem himself. Dude is a goof, responsible for half the roster for 5 years & takes 0 responsibility for the culture he helped breed, which is that of quitters, he just passes the buck onto others.

Impeach this clown & the culture will magically improve overnight.

And when the next HC comes in and the same **** continues what’s going to be your wordsmith then? It takes 2 to tango, it’s on both sides of the fence Frankie

 

[TruCane81]

My man , I live in Tuscaloosa and believe me um players ain't doing nothing different than bama players are.

Exactly!

 

[Dghustla]

You’re that dude Chise but do you really think that living in Tuscaloosa or Columbus is the same as putting an 18 year old kid in Miami?

I doubt all of these kids were clubbing and doing it big in HS but they get down to Miami and see the glamour and want to enjoy it.

I agree the coaches need to recruit players who prioritize winning, commitment and accountability while also being great players but if it was so easy, everyone would be doing it.

There’s a reason that you only listed 3 teams out of 130 ish. We’ve got a find way to get back there but I disagree that the culture issues are 100% on the coaches and if we had different coaches, these players would be living like saints. I just don’t think it’s the simple.

It’s naive to think that Miami is the only city with distractions. It’s doesn’t matter if it’s clubs, co-Ed’s,
Moonshine, cow-tippin, videos games or a huge slide.

Everywhere has distractions. As you stated The best coaches get a grip on these distractions early. And actually mold young kids into mature men. The poor coaches complain about culture and then expect a new crop of 18 year olds behave like 25 year olds.

 

[Dghustla]

Huh?

No distraction on a state University campus with 40,000 students? A never ending flow of party, booze, and hot girl p’ussy for a young man to indulge in ? With boosters giving out free sports car rides and $500 handashakes?

People act like the top teams ain’t chasing girls and smoking copious amounts of weed. All in an effort to protect over paid perpetrators who can’t coach their way out of a wet paper bag.

We all laughed about all the drama that Florida had last off season. They ignored all that mess and finished in the top 10.

That’s what having a real head coach does for the team. He gets the best effort and preparation from his guys and they overcome adversity and distractions.

We got a little bit of that Richt’s first two seasons and played our best ball in 20 years. But he burned completely up and it fell apart and we replaced with a guy who was completely unqualified.

Coaching isn’t everything. It’s the ONLY THING and we have had very little of it the most of the last 20 years.

Preach!! I love Miami but ppl need to stop acting like it’s the only place with distractions.

We have a culture problem because our coaches haven’t set the standard of elite accountability.

And anyone who doesn’t think that Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney don’t micro manage their programs 365 days a year is sleep.

 

[South Side Chi Cane]

Their players are focused because their HCs are great leaders. Players lose focus and do dumb **** everywhere when there is poor character and leadership. Watch the last season of Last Chance U. Those guys were a mess in the middle of nowhere.

I recently had to pick up a rent a car and the young man picking me up to take me to location was one of the starting cornerbacks for Miami of Ohio in 2017. Nice kid. We got to talking football and I asked him point blank after playing college ball, why is it that a better talented team will drop games they obviously should win. He chucked and said, “That‘s problems in the locker room all the way, guys ain’t bought in to the coaches way.” I asked does that mean guys just tell the coach to **** off. He laughed and said, “Nahhh man, no one is really defiant and they will appear to do what the coaches want, but they have no real follow through.”

 

[nuprin]

First..u not just kicking players off a team left and right..second that fear comes from stacking chips..understanding your spot can be taking if u slip up, that’s recruiting which Reed hit on. Lastly, your last point is my point. Sometimes I wonder who here has played a sport in college..these coaches do not and cannot hold you’re hand in the offseason, after practice and meetings etc etc. the structure is in place. It’s up to players to use what’s available to them. There’s no excuse for your QB1 go out and break a record vs Louisville then lay a absolute egg vs FIU. That’s not in a coach..

ITS ON PLAYERS TO PUT IN THAT EXTRA WORK. Reed and guys from past like Irvin and Ray have talked about not being accountable to the coach but to the players before them, to the players besides them and those in the trenches with them. That’s who they were accountable to. You **** up and don’t make your time on your 110s it wasn’t Butch or Coker waiting for you in that locker but the leaders from the position groups ready to kick your ***. You miss a “voluntary” workout your answering to the leaders who set up that workout..the tone can be set by the coach. He can have a the past players, or guest speakers come and motivate..he can leave the facilities open 24/7 but it’s up to the players to go sacrifice a night of hanging out and actually taking advantage of it..me myself as a former athlete who didn’t have the god given ability to earn a fullride to A college like Miami with all the tools available for them to max that talent out can’t grasp what motivates them not too. I played D-2 college baseball, I wasn’t all that and clearly not quit good enough for a school like miami out of HS. But when my HS coach left the weight room and Cage open 6:00am in the morning for anyone who chose to take advantage, I was there. And believe me my Team was *** at Deerfield high at the time lmao..my coaches were sus at best, but I made the most out of what I had. I just don’t understand the mentality to not do so..that’s just my opinion

I understand where you’re going on the accountability, trust me I do. This isn’t an either/or situation, it’s a combination of both. But if you say it’s not on the coaching...then EReed ain’t gonna make a difference either...SB ring, NCAA champion, HOF be damned. People have to learn accountability, whether it be from a parent, teacher, coach, boss, whatever. So when people talking about the coaches being responsible, that’s what they are referring to.